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The humiliation of pronouns

Started by Judge Yourself, May 23, 2007, 06:50:14 AM

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Shana A

I hate getting sir'ed or mister'ed. Especially when it's got that underpinning vibe of "I've figured you out and am using pronouns to make sure that you realize that I know". Grrrr! >:(

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Judge Yourself

I dunno if its to make them look clever or its some kind of egocentric, superiority thing. like bullies somewhat, that they need to make you feel small for themselves to feel big. I guess it's all very playground and very pathetic - but hey whatever floats their boat. I'm a strong believer in Karma...
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Doc

Hehe. I dunno that I'm good at DYI, but I am a master of the German Engineering (otherwise known as "jerry-rigging," otherwise known as "The Apollo 13 Challenge") and usually manage to do okay. I'm always a bit sad when I don't. Recently I failed to fix an anesthesia machine and was bummed out, not 'cause I figured I ought to know how to fix it, but just 'cause I think I would have gotten 'manliness points' if I had.

I really wish that I could look more male by just cutting my hair in a classic boy's cut. The times I've tried it, I get read as female even more easily, 'causes it reveals my delicate shell-like skull or summat. And it makes me feel all feminine and vulnerable, having the back of my neck exposed like that. So I gave up and let it grow, I'm too lazy to keep cutting it and it makes me feel like Barrett Bonden.
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Judge Yourself

'manliness points' haha thats hilarious - i'm of the opinion, i will never be able to fix things and I'm comfortable with that - my uhm.. unfixability . I suck at all things practical and prefer to take a back seat, amusing myself with the fact people are pretending to know what to do and cant and then i can tell them that i knew all along that this went there (even when i dont pointing out the blatantly obvious can be fun.) Thing with me is, 'my' measure is more knowing where i'm going, when im obviously rather lost, refusing to ask for directions out of sheer pride. Stereotypes eh? haha I don't have a classic cut.. more of what has been called 'emo boy' which, although distressing :P is better than anything with 'girl' in. The thing with getting hair cut shorter is that id possibly accentuate my features even more, now i hide behind an 'emo cut' thats what i get for going to stylist and not a barber :|
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rhonda13000

Quote from: Amy T. on May 23, 2007, 10:49:44 AM
I hate sir.
The whole he/she thing never bothered me that much.  I really hate sir though.   

You and I differ [not by much] in this.

"Sir" is barely tolerable and and accepted, given that I am still functioning in male mode [for the moment], but the pronoun 'he' or the use of my current legal name [not for long; I've about reached my limit of tolerance on this. I was going to defer on the change, but I do believe that I will be making that court date, on the 26th], infuriates me.

I just can't stand this anymore. I will be present and accounted for on that court date.
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Renae.Lupini

For the first several months of my on the job gender improvement people got names and pronouns mixed up. People are going to make mistakes when they are used to calling you thing and referring to you in one way for so long. It is only second nature and 99$ of the time nobody means anything about it. If someone has not changed their name yet or aren't out at work then how can they expect people to not use the familiar name and pronouns they have always used?

I started my on the job gender improvement before my name was legally changed. Everyone called me Renae but until I had legal documentation, in the HR system I was still Jason. My e-mail was still Jason as well. what we did was create a distribution list with my old name as the title and had it point to my new name. It was nice little work around to the situation and plus i didn't have to go through the process of sending out 100's of e-mails telling people to update their contact information on me.

Legally, I cannot get a letter F on my license until I have a letter from a doctor saying that I have undergone GRS. A person has to love the puritanical ways of Virginia. when police pull up my information it comes back as male. It is a total mindf**k for them and a moment of hilarity for me.

Sooner or later people figure that this isn't just some silly phase and they watch their pronouns and names. It takes time for them to adjust as it does for us. We know who we are so why should it matter if someone either has a slip up or is being as ass? Let them be the one with the insecurity issues, not us.
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Keira

Doc, in french you don't need to play the game of gendering things, the refrigerator and toaster ARE male, the table and spoon FEMALE,  everything's gendered!!! Everything that qualifies or manipulates these objects also reflect the gender of the objects or person. Like I said, its not easy to retrain the brain to switch gender in language in others and even in yourself (you've got to always be conscious of what your saying, at least until it sinks in (which can take awhile, it took me 9 months to be able to leave it on automatic and not make a mistake)

Wonder if there's ever been a french mtf (male to female) refrigerator (what would feminisation look like in that case, a fridge has kinda squarish angles, think I'd need the hacksaw to round the corners and "feminize" it (hehe).
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Judge Yourself

My how my little thread has grown :)

QuoteSooner or later people figure that this isn't just some silly phase and they watch their pronouns and names. It takes time for them to adjust as it does for us. We know who we are so why should it matter if someone either has a slip up or is being as ass? Let them be the one with the insecurity issues, not us.

I think it is more the 'its just a phase' thing and that is fair enough for now I think since it has been a couple of months in reality. When it gets to the stage its been a lot longer, i doubt ill be as forgiving ;) haha You're right, I guess I'm guilty of assuming people are mind readers - but its more the ones who take joy out of 'figuring me out' that ->-bleeped-<- me off.

I really do think its hilarious how there are like male and female tv co-axial leads and languages are even more hilarious for me with there being male and female bits of furniture and countries and boats.. i get lost with most of it..

QuoteWonder if there's ever been a french mtf (male to female) refrigerator (what would feminisation look like in that case, a fridge has kinda squarish angles, think I'd need the hacksaw to round the corners and "feminize" it (hehe).
haha you kill me - thats so funny. Hey at least we can still laugh?

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Renae.Lupini

When someone does out you reply to them that you are in fact a transsexual. This tends to really throw them off kilter when you acknowledge yourself as TS. Most will even apologize for being so rude. Kill them with kindness. It works like a charm every time.


I went for my first trip alone to a beauty salon a week after living in my preferred gender role. As I was getting my deep conditioning done i glimpsed around to see if anyone was playing spot the ->-bleeped-<-. I caught my shampoo girl nodding in my direction while in her group co-workers. I did the best thing I could do at that point in time. I gave her a $10 tip as I left. Either she wasn't talking about me and now I am guaranteed great service on my next visit or her concience is going to eat her up and she will feel like crap.

The day after i started living in my preferred gender role, I went to Warped Tour. this is huge outdoor music fesitval that goes on all day long. After a couple of hours what little cuteness factor i had going was gone. The rest of the day was just me and my friends hanging out and having a great time. It is safe to say that being read was the highlight of the day. it happened at least once every five minutes by thousands of people.

When NOFX was getting ready to come on, we went up the front row. My second day living as a woman and I am front row at a punk show. the little girl to my right made the connection right away and told her bf to look. I made sure to look and smile and inform him that she is right, I am a transsexual. they booth got wide-eyed and left it go at that. the best was yet to some though. It dind't take the road crew long to realize there was a ->-bleeped-<- in the f'n front row. So from the far back corner they were playing spot the ->-bleeped-<- and trying to not be obvious when pointing me out to other crew members. I figured I would make it easier on them so I jumped up and down and waved at them.

After the end of the show everyone trys to get the leftover picks and set lists as souveniers. One of the road crew came down and grabbed a set list and brought directly to me. He made sure I got it. My point to all of this is that being yourself and not worrying about other people makes life a lot rewarding. I also got hurt during the NOFX set and had to go to the emergency room. That was a great time too.I will save that one for another time.

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Pica Pica

Does anyone find that they avoid sirring-maaming anyone else?

I have no memory for names, and now gendered references seem like too blunt a tool to label people, I have to look people in the eye and talk to them...It's done wonders for my social ability and I tend to get larger tips too (;D)

Also, what is it with all the driving tickets everyone here seems to get. Can no transgendered person actually drive properly??
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Renae.Lupini

Occupied doing make-up in the mirror for the first time? :)
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