Quote from: Ave on November 03, 2012, 01:41:07 PM
lol that always struck me as hilarious, that butch girl and pretty gay boy were so removed yet really close on the identifying scale

It's interesting getting checked out by gay guys and gay girls.

"Tomboy" was the cover story my parents used to explain me to others as a child. "I'm not a female, but I play one on t.v." pretty much sums up a chunk of my life. How I personally would describe myself is an androgynous male, with some female body parts. I kinda wish I could be one of the "neither" gender people, but I've always been male. I've only known female in the peculiar way that a method actor can learn to be a character (hence the tv quote). But at the end of the day, "being" female is just an acting role. I've had the unique experience in that I know exactly how females are treated by society as a whole and all that, but have never felt female myself. I've always felt like an outsider intruding into that female world in a stealthy fashion. If that makes sense at all. The last several years I've just been being myself rather than trying to "fit in" to any kind of female role. So much so that when people address me in a female fashion out and about I often don't even respond. "Ma'am? Who? Me?"

Quote from: Randi on November 03, 2012, 12:54:02 PM
Can you get more genderqueer than this: I feel like an FTM transsexual in a man's body.

a notorious male crossdresser in a female body?

mom calls me tomboy, and has somehow realized that the style suits me, even my personality. but she tends to always want me to dress girlier since that suits me too (and is much more conforming, so she wouldn't have to worry about me (for all the wrong reasons..)) i love my feminine clothes, they look good on me, but i still feel like i'm dressing up in a somewhat unnatural way.

i too have problems identifying as female even in female clothing. people call me some term that is generally only directed at women, and i totally don't get they're talking to me. i have a child, but no idea what it means to be a "mother", the best i can do is "parent". big sister is something different, it's something i've gotten so used to being that i can't really stop doing it, while mixing in some hopeless big brothering once in a while.

Quote from: Sarah7 on November 03, 2012, 02:16:01 PM
It's interesting getting checked out by gay guys and gay girls.

Indeed. In the past year, I was only checked out by gay guys. Today they both do. I should post a current photo

Quote from: Ave on November 03, 2012, 01:41:07 PM
lol that always struck me as hilarious, that butch girl and pretty gay boy were so removed yet really close on the identifying scale

That is funny for me, too. I definitely feel more like a femboy or a pretty gay boy. Well, I do mess around with very masculine-identified females, too, but never feminine girls. So when lately people think of me as a butch lesbian, it makes me feel funny.

I'm seriously feminine but I don't feel I have much of a girl inside of me. The girl is on the outside and it has been a mask for me to wear for the past 13 years; surely it has left many traits in me, but mainly it has been just a mask I was stuck in until I realized I really can do something to be happier about myself.

I do sometimes get excited about dressing very girly and passing as a sexy girl, but everything sexual about being perceived as a female is something I have to construct by using stuff that cross-dressers/drag queens do to get there. I do enjoy that, I know... I have since I started my female teen age. But it's occasional arousal and excitement, not identity, and more like a dirty secret. When I just want to be "me", not some femme fatale character, I hate it when I get confused with a girl.

Being perceived as a femboy is something I strongly wish for. I'd like to wake up in the morning and just feel my body looks like I'm a femboy and I don't have breasts or fat in the feminine parts of my body. It doesn't feel like a fetish (unlike the "cross-dressing" as a female sometimes does ) I like men and feel attracted to them, I just hate it that they so often like me because I'm soft or I have a girly butt or tits (ugh how I hate to hear those "compliments"). So therefore I haven't messed around with boys lately. At least not cis boys. Trans masculine people seem to handle this better.

But yea, in the end I feel like I'm a femboy who's pretty pansexual and wants to be clean and pretty and have pretty things around me and eyeliner and glitter on me when I go party. Therefore it's funny that I usually get categorized into being a butch or a tomboy. Hopefully doing some hormone replacement therapy will help with that, as well as getting rid of the very feminizing red hair color that I've had for several years (not that I was compensating my lacking femaleness or anything with that or anything else... )

Quote from: Taka on November 04, 2012, 09:42:20 AM
a notorious male crossdresser in a female body?

mom calls me tomboy, and has somehow realized that the style suits me, even my personality. but she tends to always want me to dress girlier since that suits me too (and is much more conforming, so she wouldn't have to worry about me (for all the wrong reasons..)) i love my feminine clothes, they look good on me, but i still feel like i'm dressing up in a somewhat unnatural way.

i too have problems identifying as female even in female clothing. people call me some term that is generally only directed at women, and i totally don't get they're talking to me. i have a child, but no idea what it means to be a "mother", the best i can do is "parent". big sister is something different, it's something i've gotten so used to being that i can't really stop doing it, while mixing in some hopeless big brothering once in a while.

I agree with you Taka. My mom basically calls me tomboy, although it's more of "you're really tough, but you are also really sweet." And she thinks that I look cuter with a shoulder-length hairstyle. Which I haven't had since the beginning of high school since I really don't want to look cute (and I didn't like the length anyway). I do like my more feminine clothes, but I hardly ever wear them because I either feel not comfortable or I'm lazy. There was that one time when I put on a black with white poka-dot woman dress, and my dad was shocked at how grownup I looked.

In more recent developments, a guy in my section was irritated that the men had to wear tuxes while the woman wore not flashy, black nice looking shirts and slacks or skirts. And I wanted to wear a tux. I said that we should all just wear tuxes and he disagreed saying that it'd look weird. He'd rather have the women wear those really long concert dresses (that look ugly, are heavy, and gross-feeling). One of my other friends said that he'd wear a skirt if he was in band. Or a kilt.

And so, out of necessity, the 'Tux Dress' was invented... 

A Tux!Dress would be nice. Maybe like the old bloomer costume. Or Dr. Mary Edwards Walker from the Civil War. (Forgive me while I temporarily hijack this thread for history). Dr. Walker was one of the earliest woman surgeons in the U.S, and is the only woman to be awarded the Medal of Honor. She also wore a mixture of the bloomer costume and men's attire when she was younger, but as she aged, she donned a man's suit, top hat, and all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Edwards_Walker (pictures of both feminine and masculine attire).

I don't know if she would qualify as androgyne, because she might have just adopted the wardrobe for functionality.