Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on January 10, 2013, 12:19:41 AM
well there a lot of cisgender men who would like to experience being pregnant (but they may not admit it)

There was a time when I thought so, but I have to wonder whether I was projecting my own baby cravings onto them? I know I had conversations with women who assumed the same desires from cismale. But where is the evidence? (Not in that sitcom script). Even among transwomen I've seen more than a few statements over the years that seemed to be expressions of relief at not having periods and other effects of being the owner of a working womb. So much so, there was a time when I thought my own baby cravings might have been a sign that I was not trans.

What seems clear to me is that when men were expressing squeamishness and making dismissive statements whenever conversations turned to reproductive details or "womens problems" I would wait for the storm to pass, the men to leave, and find someplace where I could stay and listen to the conversations and stories of labor, delivery and other stuff women needed to talk to one another about as part of coping with it all, and containing their fears or unease about the harder aspects. Fascination always trumped ick factor, and I was usually the only male-bodied person in the room unless there were infants nursing.

There isn't an option for "already have been." I have a son. I don't think I'd get pregnant again, but my main reason for that is I just can't see it happening. I'm busy with university and planning my future, I already have one kid that needs me, and I want to transition.

Its not uncommon for some trans men to give birth I mean 90% of the documentries on trans men are based around their pregnacies.

I may not be FTM but to me anything bio related to born gender is a nono never no thing. I am sure quite a few trans fock feel the same.

nononononononono, god no

@Elspeth - I saw an interesting article online once about the viability of a "male pregnancy" since a fetus can, technically, be gestated outside a womb (happens on veerry rare occasion to cis women but it is super dangerous to both the fetus and esp. the woman) and an experiment on male prisoners that tested their ability to carry a fetus to term that'd be extracted by "c-section" (from what I recall nobody survived).

Anyhow, to the point. In reading the comments once you weeded out the transphobia/transmisogyny and a few women stating they'd forcibly impregnate males if it were possible... there were a few straight, cis dudes and a few gay cis dudes expressing interest in gestating a fetus (if it were safe and not some horrible prison experiment).

I think it's probably rare in cis dudes but I can kinda understand where it'd appeal to some even if it the same thing that makes it so vastly unappealing to me.

Plus, I'm not sure how much it is actually, "ah, from this safe distance having a living thing in me and birth sounds like a miracle of life" but if it came down to it and the technology was there staring them in the face they might change tune quick.

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 10, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Its not uncommon for some trans men to give birth I mean 90% of the documentries on trans men are based around their pregnacies.

I don't watch a lot of trans documentary type stuff, but if this is true, it's unfortunate.

Quote from: Bosch on January 10, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Anyhow, to the point... there were a few straight, cis dudes and a few gay cis dudes expressing interest in gestating a fetus (if it were safe and not some horrible prison experiment).

My question remains, how do you determine these are cisdudes? There's no question in my mind that if it were no more risky than other pregnancies, (and maybe even if it were more risky) and I were still within typical childbearing years I would have wanted this. I went through my early years of marriage wishing I could have had babies on my own, with a genetic assist from my partner, during the years she was in med school or just after finishing it. I would have liked to have been younger, and had more social support for it... I thought about this a lot. If I didn't dwell on it, it was only because thinking about it depressed me a bit, that I knew it wasn't an actual option.

I don't know how one can get a reliable take in survey data on whether someone identifies with/as a woman, and the cultural stigma has me thinking that I don't much believe that simply asking would get very honest answers, but in some ways, admitting a desire to bear children probably, for many, has less stigma attached to it than copping to being trans. And no small fraction of gay dudes have come out over time to admit to being so, and to seeking transition.

Can't rule out that there are cis dudes who do crave pregnancy, and depending on context, answers to such questions might not always be honest ones. Some transfolk are, after all, much more sensitive about things like cross-dressing, whereas other guys who seem to be entirely butch will crossdress as a joke and think nothing of it. Very hard to pin down what people are actually thinking and feeling in this context.

NooOOOOoooOOOoo. I've thought about it(mostly because it was one of the things my mom brings up as 'things I might change my mind on and regret later' once I transition. Psshh, no.) and there has always been a huge mental disconnect about it(similar to the disconnect I feel with what is between my legs.) Shortly afterwards I think, by god, why is that even a possibility?
So basically never ever never ever ever.

Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 10, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Its not uncommon for some trans men to give birth I mean 90% of the documentries on trans men are based around their pregnacies.

Wouldn't this have more to do with producers of documentaries looking to depict maximum conflict? Granted, people in general, especially in our sex-phobic culture, underestimate how easy it is for someone with a healthy female body to get pregnant. But this seems to have a lot more to do with producers looking for some juicy "hook" than it has to do with providing a representative picture of trans lives. Depictions of MTFs also tend to look at sex workers and convicts to a much greater degree, leaving a somewhat distorted image of the lives of the average trans person. Not that many of us don't wind up doing sex work, and a few decades ago this seemed to be even more common than it is today. But it seems to me that in all areas, people doing "edutainment" tend to focus on whatever is likely to be most sensationalistic and embodying the contradictions that will make (presumed) cisgendered viewers say "Thank God that's not me."

No no no. I don't think you should bring this up. Not because of me, but because that's what he said. I am sure there are some out there as the question comes up every now and again. Rarely but it comes up.

--Jay

I have already done so - twice. I have two daughters who I even breastfed for a total of four years.

I managed to get around my dysphoria by treating each pregnancy as a means to an end. I've always wanted to raise my own biological children. It just so happens that the least complicated way for me to do so is to fall pregnant. So I accepted that as the price I needed to pay to achieve my goal.

The most dysphoric part of it for me was being treated like a woman in antenatal classes, the maternity unit (even the name makes me shudder), and afterwards when you get categorised as a 'mother' with all of the assumptions that go with that title. But I was able to get my head around the pregnancies & breastfeeding.

I would do so again in a heartbeat. Yes, after transition, too (but not with breastfeeding, obviously). I'm in no rush to have a hysto because those parts are out of sight, out of mind for me. Admitting this has been difficult because it sounds like I'm not dysphoric about my bottom bits. But I am dysphoric about them; I desperately want the right parts to be there, but I don't particularly mind that the wrong parts are tucked away where I can't see them.

It's a matter of personal choice and I don't think there are any right or wrong answers here.

Quote from: Elspeth on January 10, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
Wouldn't this have more to do with producers of documentaries looking to depict maximum conflict? Granted, people in general, especially in our sex-phobic culture, underestimate how easy it is for someone with a healthy female body to get pregnant. But this seems to have a lot more to do with producers looking for some juicy "hook" than it has to do with providing a representative picture of trans lives. Depictions of MTFs also tend to look at sex workers and convicts to a much greater degree, leaving a somewhat distorted image of the lives of the average trans person. Not that many of us don't wind up doing sex work, and a few decades ago this seemed to be even more common than it is today. But it seems to me that in all areas, people doing "edutainment" tend to focus on whatever is likely to be most sensationalistic and embodying the contradictions that will make (presumed) cisgendered viewers say "Thank God that's not me."

The only reason I ever watch that stuff is because my mom does and because those things are always on such rare and usually negative sides of transistion if I dont my mom could get stuff to justify her beliefs against this.

I dont think I have ever seen one that doesnt have a juicy aspect to it, Also only marriages they show are between trans folks. Now I dont think there is anything wrong transtrans marriages however I find it annoying that it appears the media likes to portray we dont marry cis-people. But hey as Diaries says its about that juicy aspect.

Quote from: FTMDiaries on January 11, 2013, 09:55:57 AM

I'm in no rush to have a hysto because those parts are out of sight, out of mind for me. Admitting this has been difficult because it sounds like I'm not dysphoric about my bottom bits. But I am dysphoric about them; I desperately want the right parts to be there, but I don't particularly mind that the wrong parts are tucked away where I can't see them.

It's a matter of personal choice and I don't think there are any right or wrong answers here.

I feel the same way about a hysto. No rush. Hope it's never necessary. I never plan to use the uterus but I'm not particularly bothered by it.

I probably will not have a hysto due to my age. OTOH, I see the point of younger ones getting it. I feel  that I am trans and my identity is going to be trans. Being trans is inherently accepting that you are not 100% the gender you identify as. I am not going to see myself as  100% "male", and will not see myself as 100% male. I know some guys will see themselves as male and see nothing wrong with this, but with me it will be transmale, as I have lived almost all my life as female and there is no way to get around this.

--Jay

Quote from: Elspeth on January 10, 2013, 09:16:36 PM
My question remains, how do you determine these are cisdudes?

I tend to take people at their word. After all, I except them to take me at my word when I identify my gender I can only do the same for them. Otherwise I guess you have no way of reading their minds or where their mind might be in the future.

Never ever ever.

I used to tell people that if I happened to somehow accidentally (magically) get pregnant, then I wouldn't necessarily automatically consider abortion; or that pregnancy might be kind of an interesting thing to experience from a purely biological viewpoint -- I've always been fascinated by anatomy and development.

But than I realised that having a uterus just isn't worth it. Periods suck and it's creepy having a hole where there really shouldn't be a hole. I'd get far more joy from keeping my pickled uterus in a jar than I ever would from a pregnancy.

Although I despise my female bits, I then remember that (personally I think) the is no such thing as gender for one's body. One pushes life out, the other contributes to that. But of course, I do want male bits.

But in short, nope. Never. Why? Mainly because I just don't like kids but also because, I can't handle mood swings. Not even when it comes to the dreaded, Time of Bleeding.

I honestly cannot imagine being able to live through those 9 months. It would absolutely destroy me mentally. So no.

Being completely honest and blunt about it... Hell no.

But that's just how I feel about it happening to myself. It's just... NO. If someone else feels okay about it, then I'll say that's great.
Making my opinion even weirder, I like mpreg. </TMI>

Been there, done that, shop's closed.