Pretty sure you cant tell someone to self medicare on here...

But what do I know I'm being watched..

I believe shes allready on anti androgens

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on January 18, 2013, 01:58:17 AM
Pretty sure you cant tell someone to self medicare on here...

But what do I know I'm being watched..

I believe shes allready on anti androgens

no I'm not on any anti androgens. I'm just gonna email her tomarrow
n ask her to refer me to a endo doctor to start me on an anti androgen to make sure I don't get madculine

Quote from: PoisonEnvy on January 18, 2013, 01:55:04 AM
After reading a few of your posts I'm starting to think your therapist is the gate keeper type. Honestly if I were you i'd just self-med secretly until the old bat writes a letter, you look pretty young and the longer you wait the more masculine your gonna get. Self-medding isn't rocket science and isn't that dangerous if you have commen sense. Your therapist is doing more harm then good, she could at least recommend to a doctor you start an antiandrogen like spirolactone to halt any further changes.

You sound like a responsible girl you just need the right sex hormones in you to feel complete.

ive thought of self medicating but I'm to scared to cause I've heard people died cause they did that

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on January 18, 2013, 01:58:17 AM
Pretty sure you cant tell someone to self medicare on here...

But what do I know I'm being watched..

I believe shes allready on anti androgens

No I think it's just discussing self-med dosages that is not allowed.

Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 18, 2013, 02:06:13 AM
ive thought of self medicating but I'm to scared to cause I've heard people died cause they did that

I've never heard of anyone dying because of DIY hormones but i'm sure it's possible if your really dumb haha.

Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 18, 2013, 02:06:13 AM
ive thought of self medicating but I'm to scared to cause I've heard people died cause they did that

Good plan

Its just a bad idea all around because everyone is different and you don't know how you body will react.

Quote from: PoisonEnvy on January 18, 2013, 01:55:04 AM
After reading a few of your posts I'm starting to think your therapist is the gate keeper type. Honestly if I were you i'd just self-med secretly until the old bat writes a letter, you look pretty young and the longer you wait the more masculine your gonna get. Self-medding isn't rocket science and isn't that dangerous if you have commen sense. Your therapist is doing more harm then good, she could at least recommend to a doctor you start an antiandrogen like spirolactone to halt any further changes.

You sound like a responsible girl you just need the right sex hormones in you to feel complete.

Quote8. The discussion of hormone replacement therapy(HRT) and it's medications are permitted, with the following limitations:
A. You may not advocate for or against a specific medication or combinations of medication for personal gain. This is strictly prohibited.
B. You may not discuss the means to acquire HRT medications without a prescription. The discussion of self medication without a doctors supervision is prohibited.
C. The discussion of recommended or actual dosages is strongly discouraged to prevent information obtained on this site from being used to self medicate.
We can not in good conscience condone the self administering of these medications. Not only may self medication be illegal, but HRT medications can cause serious health problems, and many have the potential for life-threatening side effects that can only be detected and prevented with proper medical supervision

You can't advocate self medicating. Just to let you know.

OP don't listen to MyAlias, your therapist sounds like a gate keeper and expects you to act like her version of what girls are supposed to be. As long as your not suicidally depressed and don't suffer from multi-personality disorder then your mentally fit for hormones. They really don't have any mental effects other then being more emotional. I remember seeing your threads on here awhile back and couldn't believe your still waiting to get on hormones. If she won't give you a letter then find a new therapist then go to a informed consent clinic.

I don't think they let you talk about self-med here anymore but you can pm me on here or skype me for more info if you want.

Oh boy here we go again...

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on January 18, 2013, 02:35:25 AM
Oh boy here we go again...

no I'm not gonna start a arguement lol. That's her opinion of me, it's like watevers but thanks for giving me ur input

Ask your doctor to be put on T blockers,  also I suggest dressing a bit more the way they want, don't try and seem defiant. It really is only for the time of the session, as for needing maturity , I don't think I was mature and I was lazy at 13 and if I could start HRT then I would. If i was homeless and no money I still would, I know they are trying to help you be ready in your journey in transition and work you through it.  Honestly tho they need to help you work out if you are a transsexual.  Not judge you on how womanly they think you should appear to be. There are some pretty bad gender therapists out there, one was calling me a male name which wasn't even my birth name and she knew me for years. Also referred people who are transgender as "you people" sigh.

The ultimate problem here is that Angelique feels she is being strung along.  If you recall her past posts, the "therapist" has thrown up roadblock after roadblock.

Now that Angelique is of age, and with the Standards of Care changing to give the transgendered person more say in their own care, including about when to begin HRT, it may be helpful to go directly to a GLBT-friendly doctor, if one is in the area.

Angelique I would recommend finding another therapist or an endo who is trans friendly and skipping the middle man so to speak. If you aren't capable of doing that then work on getting yourself into a position where your parents are not in a position to pull rank on you or influence your therapists decisions.

I  am very concerned about the free and easy way people are willing to post inflammatory and necessary rude material in this thread.

I will not tolerate it.

If you find that your emotions are getting the better of you, don't post.

Cindy James
Global Moderator.

Are you going to one specifically trained in lgbt matters? My gf is going to therapy through our school and they had a pre-session session in order to find out more about her and which therapist could best help her needs. I thought that was a great idea and her therapist has been nothing but wonderful and supportive. My gf still dresses male and nearly gives off a Brad Majors vibe (from years of suppression) yet she was able to get her note after like 5 50 minute sessions. Is there a tg resource in your area that could recommend someone to you?

Gender and maturity, two separate ball games.  I don't feel its valid to hold someone back for such reasons~  One is growing up, and the other is an actual condition.

She can still learn to grow up while on hormones~ 

I don't think the gender therapist is necessarily doing it maliciously, she is behaving more like any parent would. 

One thing that is bugging me a bit about this thread and the comments. We generally tell people to seek out a therapist and say that therapists are needed for the most part. Is it necessarily a good idea to tell her to go therapist shopping until she basically finds herself a rubber stamper type?  Sure, there is a possibility her current therapist is being more of a gatekeeper type, but then we can't know for sure. We get one perspective of what's going on and with no offense to Angelique, that perspective could be leaving out things she may feel would shed unfavorable light on her side, we just simply don't know, but it is what a lot of people do, some without fully realizing they are doing it.  And really, we could be doing her a great disservice by telling her to shop around until she finds someone who will do just as she wants without question.

Just something to think about.

Quote from: Angélique LaCava on January 17, 2013, 10:10:11 PM
Is it legal that my gender therapist is holding the hormone letter from me because i dont do chores?

Legal? Yes. There's no law that your therapist has to write you a letter.

However, I think it's highly questionable. WPATH standards of care explicitly state that it is the patient's own decision when she is ready for hormones.

From bottom paragraph on page 25 (http://www.wpath.org/documents/Standards%20of%20Care%20V7%20-%202011%20WPATH.pdf):

QuoteIt is important for mental health professionals to recognize that decisions about hormones are first
and foremost the client's decisions

The reason for that is that withholding hormone therapy from transgender patients is dangerous. Depression, suicide, and self-destructive behaviors can result (such as self-medicating. Don't don't don't do that. It's DANGEROUS!)

For that reason I think your therapist is being irresponsible (just my opinion, I'm no expert).

Some suggestions:

* Ask if you can change therapists.

* Show the standards of care to your therapist. Mention your concerns that delaying HRT will have a negative effect on your adjustment and mental health.

* See if you can find an ally. Is there an adult who can advise you on how to convince whoever needs to be convinced to change therapists?

* Give yourself credit for dealing with a difficult situation. Dealing with a problematic therapy situation is one of the nastier things that happen to us on the road to our transition.

* Hang in there, girl. You'll get past this.

If You have been to therapy for a long time, and all thats holding you back is an opinion that has nothing to do with your gender.  A rubber stamp might not be a bad idea.

8. The discussion of hormone replacement therapy(HRT) and it's medications are permitted, with the following limitations:

    A. You may not advocate for or against a specific medication or combinations of medication for personal gain. This is strictly prohibited.
    B. You may not discuss the means to acquire HRT medications without a prescription. The discussion of self medication without a doctors supervision is prohibited.
    C. The discussion of recommended or actual dosages is strongly discouraged to prevent information obtained on this site from being used to self medicate.

We do not condone self medication on this site. This thread is locked.