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Started by Joe., February 14, 2013, 06:55:20 PM

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Quote from: Del on February 15, 2013, 09:45:13 AM

Since I am not transgender I cannot know the extent of how y'all feel even though I do know to an extent.
May God bless.

I don't think you need to feel bad for that Del.

One of the best and hardest lessons I learnt in my life is we all have to fight against our own private hell. The point is, the difference be tween being a child and a grownup is we can understand that others have their hell as badly as ours.

Here, on Susans', the subject is the shared hell we each deal with being transgender, either through personal experience or that of others. It doesn't mean our hell is any worse than anyone else's.

I don't have the certainty that others share, of the purpose of existance. I have already said, I don't accept hell. The Jewish perspective I was aware of, and has been referred to by peky above. I won't comment on that either.

But I have long since come to realise the best I can do is what I do. If I am judged, it will be on who I am, not what I am. I've tried to be the best person I can be as I know we all do. So, it comes down to who makes the grade.

You are OK in my book!
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Miharu Barbie

Hi Joey,

I'm sorry to hear that you're having such a difficult time.  I sincerely hope that things get better for you sooner rather than later.

Let me just say up front that I was raised Atheist.  My parents raised me to  question and challenge religious and spiritual guidance (coercion) in whatever guise it might be presented.  In the early part of my life, I was a fairly aggressive (self righteous) Atheist.  I know from personal experience how very challenging it can be to believe that we are all alone in the Universe; that sense of "me against the world" that came from doubting God's existence had me feeling lost and alone a lot of the time in my youth.

Because of a series of circumstances and traumatic events, in my early 30's I found myself hungry for answers and connection to something larger than me, something that I could trust, something I could love and lean on.  I never expected to find my answers in a book, but I did. 

The book that I often say healed my relationship with God is called "Conversations With God" by Neale Donald Walsch. 

Ultimately I believe that you are going to find that the answers that you are looking for are not "out there".  You won't find them in a church or in a book really; you aren't even going to find them on the internet or at Susan's Place.  The answers are inside of you, in your heart.  What you're really looking for is a key that will unlock the door that leads to the answers that already exist inside of you.  For me, that key was "Conversations With God".  Trust the soothing voice inside of you to lead you to your own answer within.

Peace to you!
Miharu
FEAR IS NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!


HRT:                         June 1998
Full Time For Good:     November 1998
Never Looking Back:  Now!
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gennee

God never betrays anyone. He does listen to our prayers. When and how He answers them is his business. In my 40 plus years as a Christian, I have experienced joy, suffering, trials, tribulation, victory, setback, and through it all I believe and trust him to do what's best for me.

Our spirit gives credence to who we are. I was shocked  :o initially whenI discovered that I was transgender. As time passed I understood that this is part of his plan for me. You may have hit a roadblock at the present time but keep seeking and praying.
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

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Jess42

Here's the thing and my view on religions. They are man's perception of a limited brain trying to grasp the concepts of why we are here, good vs. evil, something as expansive as the universe, eternity and so on. The bible was written by people trying to grasp the same answers to the same questions that we have today. We do however get teachers that are of higher spirits incarnated such as those in the bible that push and prod us to a higher enlightenment. The main one being Christ, in the bible at least but there were others before and will be others after. If you really look into some of the teachings of Christ, they hint more upon a personal spiritual relationship with God or our Creator. Which by the way isn't the old man in the sky looking down on us with disdain and wanting to banish us to hell because we don't follow a church doctrine. When man (as a whole like mankind) gets involved and wants to control the masses, what better way than to threaten an eternity of torture and pain if you don't do or act according to what the leaders wish you to. I often times wonder what Christ would think of the organized religions we have today with corrupt televangelist driving Mercedes Benzes and getting hummers in the backseat. Or what Christ would think of a 6 million dollar church while people are starving and getting murdered around the world.

Contrary to popular belief, the view of reincarnation was abolished in the sixth century. The reason  it is very vague in writings such as the bible was because it was an accepted dynamic of spirituality in those times. "A sinner dies a thousand deaths" is one of the biggest pointers to it. When you die and you only have one life how can you die another 999 times? I've found many references pointing to it. Remember a whole empire took over Christianity as a means to control the masses. These socalled leaders couldn't bear to think someone such as a common peasant could be more spiritually advanced than themselves because of their own powerlust and arrogance. Christ was born in the spring in the northern hemisphere because the shepards were watching over their flocks. This occured in the spring because the sheep were birthing. This is also symbolic of a new beginning of lifecycles and the rebirth of vegetation. A new beggining so to say. When the Roman empire got involved they took the winter solstice in order to gain more followers because that is a pagan holiday and gifts were given, much as they are today.

The main thing is You want to believe in God, that part of God with wich you were created with is within you so believe and yes you can. Don't let someone dictate to you as to their perceptions of God. We all have this. I know you feel as if God is not answering your prayers. It's not up to God to answer them because you were created in God's image and you have all that you need to use the ability. Not to mention our freewill. Not what you see when you look in the mirror but rather your spirit or soul or a hundred other names for it. And you can provide your own answers as to what you really need. Sometimes we have to go through hard times and desparity in order to strengthen our spirits. God knows I've seen my share and still seeing them. Use life as a learning lesson. If you are discriminated against use it. Know how it feels and remember when you discriminate against others you are causing them the same pain. If you are hated by someone learn how not to hate back. Lessons in Karma or another word Righteousness, What you sow, so shall you reap.

Listen to those tiny voices in your head unless they are negative in nature such as suicide and hurting someone, if so, then seek help. Question everything spiritually because how can you get answers or find what you're looking for if you don't seek it out. Spirituality is personal, it's not a one size fits all. If you don't fall within an established religion, don't worry, it's just that you aren't following the heard and seeking answers as to what your questions are. Learn how to meditate and look inward for answers. Have you ever wondered why you are one way on the outside but feel the opposite inside? There are answers but not from science or other outward establishments. 
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Amazon D

Quote from: Incarnadine on February 14, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
I appreciate that everyone has their opinions about whatever religion "works best for them."  Susan's is indeed a place to discuss ideas and opportunities that encourage us in our journeys, whether trans related or not.  Since you posted this in the Christianity sub-forum, perhaps our answers should tend towards that direction?  If you're looking for a "choose-your-own-adventure" answer, perhaps asking this in the general Spirituality sub-forum would be better?  Since we're here, maybe we could look at it from a Christian perspective?

I just finished teaching our teens from the book of Job.  I know, I know...whenever someone speaks of suffering, Job is mentioned.  But please, hear me out.  :)

It is true that God allowed Job to suffer immensely.  To me, that doesn't seem fair to Job at all.  But as I read the rest of the book, I find that my understanding of what's fair and right isn't the same as God's understanding.

One of the most missed applications of the story of Job is that God wants us to submit to Him.  Our post-modern culture (both American and European) rejects or questions authority, and so we struggle the most when authority demands of us or allows things to happen that we don't agree with.

And that brings us to suffering.  We would agree to "let" God bring suffering to us if we could just see the reason for it.  But when we realize that we really don't have a choice in the matter, that God will do what God is going to do, that's where many folks decide to reject God because He doesn't follow our rules. 

Paul said things like "I die daily," and "I am crucified with Christ;" he speaks of persecutions and sufferings that he knows aren't fair.  Yet he still follows Jesus Christ.  He struggles ("the things I would not, that I do"), but he still follows.  It was suggested to Job that he "curse God, and die."  He responded to his loving wife, who was most likely responding because she herself was mad at God for doing this to her husband, "Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?"  Lots of people like to curse and reject God because things happen that hurt them deeply, but Job didn't.

You know, in the long run, everyone will submit to Jesus Christ anyway, so why not do it now?  "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow...and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." 

It's funny...people get mad at God and choose to follow some other religion, thinking that doing so either gets back at God or will make their life easier, or that maybe some other deity will make them "happy".  But the truth is that crap happens to everybody, no matter who they worship.  While I don't claim to have all the answers and all the reasons why crap happens, I trust the God that allows crap.  I trust that He has a good reason for it, even if I don't understand or agree. 

Of course, everyone has to make their own decision.  But nobody gets to choose their crap (unless they make it themselves).

Very well shared :)
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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Amazon D

Quote from: Del on February 15, 2013, 08:01:51 AM
While I agree with all posted about Job and faith (the substance of things not seen) I also believe it manifests true faith and true love when things happen that the Lord could stop or change and doesn't.
It's easy to love the Lord in the good times.
It's easy to believe the Lord exists when a miracle happens.
It's harder when things go wrong and he doesn't intervene.

Hang in there man.

May God bless.

amen Del
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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Amazon D

Quote from: gennee on February 21, 2013, 12:24:07 PM
God never betrays anyone. He does listen to our prayers. When and how He answers them is his business. In my 40 plus years as a Christian, I have experienced joy, suffering, trials, tribulation, victory, setback, and through it all I believe and trust him to do what's best for me.

Our spirit gives credence to who we are. I was shocked  :o initially whenI discovered that I was transgender. As time passed I understood that this is part of his plan for me. You may have hit a roadblock at the present time but keep seeking and praying.


yes yes yes gennee
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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Amazon D

Quote from: Jess42 on February 22, 2013, 11:08:58 AM
Here's the thing and my view on religions. They are man's perception of a limited brain trying to grasp the concepts of why we are here, good vs. evil, something as expansive as the universe, eternity and so on. The bible was written by people trying to grasp the same answers to the same questions that we have today. We do however get teachers that are of higher spirits incarnated such as those in the bible that push and prod us to a higher enlightenment. The main one being Christ, in the bible at least but there were others before and will be others after. If you really look into some of the teachings of Christ, they hint more upon a personal spiritual relationship with God or our Creator. Which by the way isn't the old man in the sky looking down on us with disdain and wanting to banish us to hell because we don't follow a church doctrine. When man (as a whole like mankind) gets involved and wants to control the masses, what better way than to threaten an eternity of torture and pain if you don't do or act according to what the leaders wish you to. I often times wonder what Christ would think of the organized religions we have today with corrupt televangelist driving Mercedes Benzes and getting hummers in the backseat. Or what Christ would think of a 6 million dollar church while people are starving and getting murdered around the world.

Contrary to popular belief, the view of reincarnation was abolished in the sixth century. The reason  it is very vague in writings such as the bible was because it was an accepted dynamic of spirituality in those times. "A sinner dies a thousand deaths" is one of the biggest pointers to it. When you die and you only have one life how can you die another 999 times? I've found many references pointing to it. Remember a whole empire took over Christianity as a means to control the masses. These socalled leaders couldn't bear to think someone such as a common peasant could be more spiritually advanced than themselves because of their own powerlust and arrogance. Christ was born in the spring in the northern hemisphere because the shepards were watching over their flocks. This occured in the spring because the sheep were birthing. This is also symbolic of a new beginning of lifecycles and the rebirth of vegetation. A new beggining so to say. When the Roman empire got involved they took the winter solstice in order to gain more followers because that is a pagan holiday and gifts were given, much as they are today.

The main thing is You want to believe in God, that part of God with wich you were created with is within you so believe and yes you can. Don't let someone dictate to you as to their perceptions of God. We all have this. I know you feel as if God is not answering your prayers. It's not up to God to answer them because you were created in God's image and you have all that you need to use the ability. Not to mention our freewill. Not what you see when you look in the mirror but rather your spirit or soul or a hundred other names for it. And you can provide your own answers as to what you really need. Sometimes we have to go through hard times and desparity in order to strengthen our spirits. God knows I've seen my share and still seeing them. Use life as a learning lesson. If you are discriminated against use it. Know how it feels and remember when you discriminate against others you are causing them the same pain. If you are hated by someone learn how not to hate back. Lessons in Karma or another word Righteousness, What you sow, so shall you reap.

Listen to those tiny voices in your head unless they are negative in nature such as suicide and hurting someone, if so, then seek help. Question everything spiritually because how can you get answers or find what you're looking for if you don't seek it out. Spirituality is personal, it's not a one size fits all. If you don't fall within an established religion, don't worry, it's just that you aren't following the heard and seeking answers as to what your questions are. Learn how to meditate and look inward for answers. Have you ever wondered why you are one way on the outside but feel the opposite inside? There are answers but not from science or other outward establishments.

wow and i came here thinking i could help ..

your in good hands here at susans with people who know God

cya later all :)
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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DriftingCrow

I was reading the other night, and came across this quote that Guru Nanek wrote, though it's not a Christian quote, I thought it was able to be appreciated by Christians:

"Pleasure is the disease and pain is the medicine, Where there is pleasure, there is no desire for God."

Sometimes you have to go through hell and back before you can really understand the beauty and power of God, and to truly understand your bond with God. Having fear, uncertainty, and hardships can make you realize how vulnerable you are as a human and that trusting in your higher power can help you through those times; while if you live an easy life, it's often easy to forget your vulnerabilities, that you're not in charge, and that God even exists.


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Jess42

Quote from: Amazon D on February 22, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
wow and i came here thinking i could help ..

your in good hands here at susans with people who know God

cya later all :)

Thank you for the kind thoughts. Those of us out of our blaming and hating stages probably have more personal Spiritual relationships with God than a lot of folks that go to church every Sunday. Because we have questioned and those questions will eventually lead to answers. I know it's hard but just be patient. Just don't follow the heard unless you need to, Christ didn't. Some Souls need the herd for Spiritual awareness and identity of self. Other Souls don't and since you are aware of a duality within yourself as feeling one way but physically another, that can be a trigger for Spiritual awareness, it was with me. Meaning that there is far more beyond the physical body than minerals, water, other matter and electical currents triggering thoughts.
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