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Just sent an email to my mom...

Started by Anna++, March 10, 2013, 09:55:48 AM

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Heather

Quote from: Anna Michele on March 16, 2013, 02:10:11 PM
Thanks Paige :)

I'm not going to let it derail me, if anything this makes me want to prove them wrong. 
I was the same way every negative my mom would throw at the more determined I got. She thought she was discouraging me. :laugh: When in fact she was doing just the opposite. These times are tuff but you'll make it through.
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Misato

Quote from: Anna Michele on March 16, 2013, 02:10:11 PM
Thanks Paige :)

I'm not going to let it derail me, if anything this makes me want to prove them wrong.  Don't worry, I want to transition for more reasons than just to disprove my parents...

Quote from: Heather on March 16, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
I was the same way every negative my mom would throw at the more determined I got. She thought she was discouraging me. :laugh: When in fact she was doing just the opposite. These times are tuff but you'll make it through.

I don't regret getting derailed in 2000.  But, I did let it darken my relationship with my folks for something that was my own darn fault: Me chickening out.  I'm so happy neither of you will/are making the same mistake!

Stay strong my sisters! :)
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Heather

Quote from: Misato33 on March 16, 2013, 03:11:40 PM
I don't regret getting derailed in 2000.  But, I did let it darken my relationship with my folks for something that was my own darn fault: Me chickening out.  I'm so happy neither of you will/are making the same mistake!

Stay strong my sisters! :)
I actually did get derailed back when I was a teenager. This is the second time I have come out. I'm a lot stronger now then I was when I was 15 so it was somewhat easier this time to stand up for myself.
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Anna++

Way to be supportive, Mom and Dad:

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<Male name>:

The ball is now in your court.  Your dad and I are going to back off and let you think of what we have said and how we feel.  We have always cared for you and looked out for you, but now you have to decide.  We have fulfilled our parental duties and have done everything we can.  Are you going to listen to people on the internet who have never met you or a therapist who has only met you a few times or are you going to listen to your parents?  The choice is yours.

As your dad has said, if you choose to kill <male name>, we will NOT be there for you.  You will be completely on your own and not a part of our lives.  We will always love <male name> and will fight for him.  You know how to reach us if you want.

MOM

:eusa_wall:

I feel like I'm being punished for finally having the courage to confront my problems.  I doubt that's the life-lesson most parents want to give...
Sometimes I blog things

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ford

I've been following this thread pretty closely since I too just came out to my family. My in-laws responded much like your parents have. But they are in-laws...whaddya expect?

I just want to say I really feel for you. I don't completely understand how parents can respond this way. I can understand being confused, but not this blatant lack of support. It's incredibly hard to brave one's soul to those one would most logically expect unconditional love from - only to get shot down. I'm sending happy thoughts your way, and stern thoughts at your parents. I hope they realize what I mistake they are making.

I'm glad this is making you more determined and not bringing you down too much. You seem like a pretty awesome person.
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Misato

This isn't right.  They're not even going to try.  This isn't right.

I'm sorry to ask but, is this even about gender?  "are you going to listen to your parents?" is such an odd thing to say to an adult.

UGH!  I can't stand this loving people only when it's easy nonsense!  Or, getting back to that "Growing a Pair" comment from earlier, do they think they're doing tough love?  Through this entire, what should have been discourse, there's been nothing from them to latch on to as to why they're really being this way.  It ain't concern for your well being, that's for sure.

I'm so sorry Anna, that's all I've got.  Unless we know where this, fear or whatever it is that's motivating them is coming from we're kinda stuck. :(

What's going through your head as possible next steps?

Quote from: ford on March 16, 2013, 11:31:19 PM
You seem like a pretty awesome person.

And I do second this!
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Heather

Quote from: Anna Michele on March 16, 2013, 10:49:08 PM
Way to be supportive, Mom and Dad:

:eusa_wall:

I feel like I'm being punished for finally having the courage to confront my problems.  I doubt that's the life-lesson most parents want to give...
I'm sorry Anna This whole conversation you quoted sounded just like my mom in October. My mom outright accused me of trying to kill her son and she was not going to allow it. And the therapist thing too my mom blames my therapist for all this. Which I totally don't get since came out to them originally when I was 15. I'm sorry you are going through this because I know how you feel. Hopefully your parents will somewhat come around like mine have.
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Devlyn

Quote from: Anna Michele on March 16, 2013, 10:49:08 PM
Way to be supportive, Mom and Dad:

:eusa_wall:

I feel like I'm being punished for finally having the courage to confront my problems.  I doubt that's the life-lesson most parents want to give...

Big hug! I want to make three points. One, this is their initial reaction, their views will likely change. Two, if they don't, the burden of trying to gain acceptance is off of you, and you can move forward. Three, we love you, and accept you, and we don't give a rats ass what your parents think. Hugs, Devlyn
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Anna++

Quote from: ford on March 16, 2013, 11:31:19 PM
I've been following this thread pretty closely since I too just came out to my family. My in-laws responded much like your parents have. But they are in-laws...whaddya expect?

That's disappointing,  I'm sending happy thoughts your way too!

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I just want to say I really feel for you. I don't completely understand how parents can respond this way. I can understand being confused, but not this blatant lack of support. It's incredibly hard to brave one's soul to those one would most logically expect unconditional love from - only to get shot down. I'm sending happy thoughts your way, and stern thoughts at your parents. I hope they realize what I mistake they are making.

I'm glad this is making you more determined and not bringing you down too much. You seem like a pretty awesome person.

:D  Thanks!  I like to think I'm awesome too! :P  I hope they come around too, but right now I feel completely justified about spending a good portion of my life terrified of anybody finding out.

Quote from: Misato33 on March 16, 2013, 11:40:10 PM
I'm sorry to ask but, is this even about gender?  "are you going to listen to your parents?" is such an odd thing to say to an adult.

I assume so... but I really don't like the "it's our way or the highway" approach they're taking here.

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UGH!  I can't stand this loving people only when it's easy nonsense!  Or, getting back to that "Growing a Pair" comment from earlier, do they think they're doing tough love?  Through this entire, what should have been discourse, there's been nothing from them to latch on to as to why they're really being this way.  It ain't concern for your well being, that's for sure.

I'm so sorry Anna, that's all I've got.  Unless we know where this, fear or whatever it is that's motivating them is coming from we're kinda stuck. :(

Maybe it's because I'm challenging their worldview and they don't like that?  It's difficult to say, but I wasn't expecting this kind of a reaction.

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What's going through your head as possible next steps?

I need a break from them.  That'll give both me a chance to cool off and it'll give them a chance to cool off.  I'll probably put off starting hormones until after I get back from our family vacation in May (assuming I'm even still invited!).

Quote from: Heather on March 16, 2013, 11:40:22 PM
I'm sorry Anna This whole conversation you quoted sounded just like my mom in October. My mom outright accused me of trying to kill her son and she was not going to allow it. And the therapist thing too my mom blames my therapist for all this. Which I totally don't get since came out to them originally when I was 15. I'm sorry you are going through this because I know how you feel. Hopefully your parents will somewhat come around like mine have.

I almost convinced myself to start self medicating a few months before my first therapist appointment, so I'm pretty sure it's not her fault!  I'm really, really, really hoping they come around too... it's nice to know other parents have had the same reaction and eventually changed their minds.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 17, 2013, 07:03:21 AM
Big hug! I want to make three points. One, this is their initial reaction, their views will likely change. Two, if they don't, the burden of trying to gain acceptance is off of you, and you can move forward. Three, we love you, and accept you, and we don't give a rats ass what your parents think. Hugs, Devlyn

Thanks for the hug!  *hug back*  I guess I'll turn to everybody here instead of my parents for a while.  Right now I like you all better :).  I have an easier time listening to people who have been in my position before than I do listening to my parents, since transgender issues have only been on their mind for a week.
Sometimes I blog things

Of course I'm sane.  When trees start talking to me, I don't talk back.



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Sara Thomas

Well... shoot! I'm very sorry that this was their reaction, Anna.

I guess ultimately this is about you, however.

(If it was about them you would have said, "Mom... Dad... I've decided to become You.")

Hugs - Sadie
I ain't scared... I just don't want to mess up my hair.
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Anna++

Quote from: Sadie May on March 17, 2013, 10:04:16 AM
Well... shoot! I'm very sorry that this was their reaction, Anna.

I guess ultimately this is about you, however.

(If it was about them you would have said, "Mom... Dad... I've decided to become You.")

Hugs - Sadie

And that's really what it comes down to...  I need to live the life I want, even if it doesn't match what other people have planned for me.
Sometimes I blog things

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Jess42

Anna Michelle, I'm sorry it didn't go well with your dad and this may sound harsh and the main reason being that it is harsh. At least you have tried to keep a line of communication open but once you hit a brick wall, it does no good banging your head and hoping that it will fall down.

The seemingly selfish part is that you have to do for YOURSELF what makes you happy. If they want to cut all ties and end their relationship with you, let'em. Believe me, it will be their loss. They are right, and I assume that you are over 18yrs old, they have fullfilled their obligations to you. They raised you, didn't let you starve to death, clothed you, provided you with love (even if not unconditional now) and so on. It is you now that will have the obligations when they get older and if they refuse to see or accept that and want to cut the ties, it won't be your fault but rather their own. They really need to understand that even though they gave birth to you, your life is your own to live, not theirs.

You can still help them when they are older, even now, and actually you really should. You know all the Karma and stuff. Don't hate them even though you are angry and hurt. Genetic family really don't mean much, it's just a group of people sharing the same genes that you are born into, so their argument about losing family and friends is kinda' weak. You can have family and friends and if they don't accept you, there are plenty of others that will.

It seems to me that you have come to the crossroads and have to decide to go however way you want to follow. If they want to cut ties, let them. Let it be known that it is fine with you. From what they wrote that you posted, it seems to me like threats. Put the "ball back in their court" and say something like "sorry and I really hate to lose the relationship and really can't believe that you can't unconditionally love your own child but I have to go my own way." That would be throwing the guilt back to them and maybe let them see that it is indeed serious.

I have not cut ties with my family in an out and out way because of anger or differing poinst of view and I do love the family that I genetically belong to. But I have also dissappered from that family for years and no one even knew if I was alive or dead because I felt I had to make my own way and live on my own terms unhindered. I've never really felt any obligations to genetic family other than help when they need it and to parents in thier old age. I don't have to agree with them or they me but mutual respect is something all families need to have for one another. Maybe I'm lucky in this sense.

Sometimes you can only talk and do so much. When it starts getting unproductive and the other person/people shut down from trying to understand or start making threats to manipulate you for their own purposes, there's really not a whole lot more that you can do. I won't lie to you, it will hurt and hurt really bad emotionally if they decide to end the relationship with you but it won't kill you. If you need familial support, seek out like minded individuals to share your life with and who will accept you unconditionally because that is what real family is supposed to be about.

What I wrote is in no way right or wrong or what you should or shouldn't do but rather how I would handle the situation. Sometimes we do have to be "seemingly" selfish and live our lives according to what makes us happy with ourselves.

I wish you the best of luck to handle situation. When it comes down to it, be the stronger of the two parties, don't lose your cool. Let them see that you are confident and content with who you are. It may actually concrete the realization to your parents and they may start coming around. You still may have to give them time so be extremely patient. Be ready for whatever happens with whether they do cut all ties with you or want to salvage the relationship. Either way, I wish you the best.
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Brooke777

Quote from: Anna Michele on March 16, 2013, 10:27:34 AM
- All of you are nuts and he would never hire any of you for a job

I would love to send him my resume! Show him the type of employee he is missing out on by being like that.
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Anna++

Text from my mom:
QuoteCall us tonight please. We met with you, identified problems and solutions and we need to know which path you are going to choose

I get the feeling I'm about to be disowned...
Sometimes I blog things

Of course I'm sane.  When trees start talking to me, I don't talk back.



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Devlyn

Nah, you're always part of this family. Hugs, Devlyn
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DrillQuip

I hate to say it but this is pretty garden variety bs. They're scared and confused out of their wits, and instead of confronting their feelings and coming to terms with them they're lashing out at you. They're falling back on old manipulative parenting tricks you'd use on a kid to try to gain control of the situation and make things the way they want them to be - all so they dont have to deal with their uncomfortable emotions. This isn't going to be an easy process for them, but they are not doing themselves any favors by taking any of the routes they're taking. I'm sorry you have to deal with this at all, though. Even if its kind of typical it's a painful process.

For what it's worth, if I were in your shoes I'd stick firm to the following script when talking to your parents: "I love you. I want you two to be a part of my life, but if you dont want to be I will have to accept it. Even if I'm not always accepted in your house, you will always be accepted in mine. I love myself for who I am and intend to live my life to the fullest as who I really am inside." Or something to that affect. The key is to stick to it. Expect them to be hostile, and anticipate their reactions before you speak to them. Stand firm no matter what. Good luck. I hope your parents come around. They very well might.
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Anna++

Thanks you two.  I'm stalling until after dinner so I have a chance to write down what I want to say so if my mind blanks out I'll still have something in front of me to work from.  I'll make sure I add in something similar to what you just said, Chris.
Sometimes I blog things

Of course I'm sane.  When trees start talking to me, I don't talk back.



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DrillQuip

We're here if you need us. Keep your notes simple. If you blank it sucks trying to look at complicated sentences, because anxiety has a nasty way of making it hard to read and comprehend things. Theres no need to get pulled into arguments about whether or not trans* is real or not. Just stick to what matters:

-I am female.
-I will live as female. It makes me happy.
-I love my parents.
-I want my parents in my life.



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kira21 ♡♡♡

I second ChrisJ... I think they are doing their best to manipulate you.  I have been I  this position and my answer was and would still be ... (firstly tell them that you are not listening to ppl from the Internet that you dont know and a therapist who doesnt know you anymore than you are listening to parents who have no experience of this, you are listening to yourself and the way you have felt all your life and all the research you have done) ... I am sorry you feel that way, personally I could never cut off my own child just because of the way they look, dress or choose to live, but I suppose we will not understand the choices each other make. You know I think ur awsome tho right?:-)

Steph :-)
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Anna++

I am not good at maintaining control of the conversation when talking to my parents.  Here are my notes:

- Why do I want to hurt them?
- They raised me to be straight, narrow and moral
- I should try depression medicines
- Transitioning and hormones go against nature
- I am not a medical doctor and I cannot self diagnose
- I don't realize how hard it is for them to hear
- I need to figure out where "male me" is and not cover "him" up
- I need to fight for the male me
- Maybe this is something I picked up subliminally from the TV
- Things have settled down since I moved and it should have gone away by now
- Mom is convinced I'll kill myself by taking hormones
- I didn't get emotional during the conversation (even though I was quietly simmering on my end)
- Don't I value their opinions?
- I need to stay off of informational sites (no way I'm leaving here)

The have conceded that they've thought about the possibility they could be wrong.  I did say a few times that I will ultimately do what I feel is best, even if they don't agree.

... and now my eye won't stop twitching.
Sometimes I blog things

Of course I'm sane.  When trees start talking to me, I don't talk back.



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