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Rick Warren's son commits suicide (pastors son)

Started by Shawn Sunshine, April 06, 2013, 07:42:07 PM

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Shawn Sunshine

regardless of how you feel about Rick Warren, his son had problems with mental illness (like i do) and took his life at age 27, Pray for his family.


http://news.yahoo.com/church-pastor-rick-warrens-son-commits-suicide-211206608.html

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spacial

I don't know who this fellow is, but it is very sad news about his son.

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TerriT

So sorry to hear about this. My thoughts and prayers are with their family.
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Vicky

Not to be the sour one deliberately, but I see a bearing on us in this tragedy.  It seems that the power of prayer (which I believe exists) has its distinct limits in human terms.  All too often we as TG and GD folks are told to pray and our condition will be "Cured."  We are seen differently than this young man was seen by the groups that tell us to pray, not as "one of their own" for whom prayers were made for healing and were meant with real concern but in our cases, the prayers are meant as a way of repulsing us from being "one of their own". I doubt they will condemn Pastor Warren or his son for not praying hard enough, or listening to God's replies in depth.  Some prayers are not going to be answered as the petitioner desires, this child's release from "mental darkness" was not going to happen that way.  Our changes to Cis Gendered are not going to happen either. Some things God does not respond to by simply the "Daddy" will do it for you.  I wonder how many people cannot understand why their prayers were not answered by clean direct healing here.  Are they the ones who will (as a number have) condemn me as not praying hard enough or listening to God enough, since I have been lead in my own spirit to the end that I have by the God whose favor they invoke??  In praying for me do they include surgeon's learning and skill.  Too many questions. 

I too have an adult child with symptoms of depression such as this young adult child did and I know the feelings of helplessness of waiting for a decision that my child may recover from a suicide attempt.  So far mine has.  I know I could be in Pastor Warrens shoes any day.  Praying by itself will not prevent or cure the problems involved here all by itself, the need is to keep prayer from distracting us from the corporal acts that we can and need to provide for people experiencing life outside the comfort zone of all too many Christians.

I also can't help but wonder if the child could have been one of us, but imprisoned by his family, no matter how loving, but still in a public eye of religion and notariety from which death was the only safe coming out of inner pain. 
I refuse to have a war of wits with a half armed opponent!!

Wiser now about Post Op reality!!
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Beth Andrea

May he find peace, and the people close to him survive this event.

...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Shawn Sunshine

I understand where you are coming from Vicky, I tried for a while to pray away any and all feelings of genderfluid, or transgender, i even tried to pray away my intersex condition. I think I have been asking God for the wrong things here. None of those things have really gone away. Oh I still have times where it seems like they did, but it kept coming back. I can only imagine how many people will not be able to or won't get help due to being spiritually scared into not getting help.

Let me tell you I still am at times spiritually scared and want to run away from everything transgender because I fear i will burn in hell for it. I would like someday to just find a happy place but it seems maybe I may never find it. I will keep trying to find the right balance though.

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#SupergirlsForJustice
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spacial

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on April 08, 2013, 12:49:12 PM
I understand where you are coming from Vicky, I tried for a while to pray away any and all feelings of genderfluid, or transgender, i even tried to pray away my intersex condition. I think I have been asking God for the wrong things here. None of those things have really gone away. Oh I still have times where it seems like they did, but it kept coming back. I can only imagine how many people will not be able to or won't get help due to being spiritually scared into not getting help.

Let me tell you I still am at times spiritually scared and want to run away from everything transgender because I fear i will burn in hell for it. I would like someday to just find a happy place but it seems maybe I may never find it. I will keep trying to find the right balance though.

Or you could have simply ignored the somewhat obvious response.

No.

Just saying, Not my place as such.
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ZoeM

Geez, what?

I don't think anyone outside Westboro believes that. And certainly not in that way. One of the central tenets of Christianity is that everyone by default is going to hell; being trans doesn't change the equation one iota. Nor does it have bearing on what's considered a sin.

Praying for Pastor Warren. I lived in SoCal for a long time, so this strikes close to home.
Don't lose who you are along the path to who you want to be.








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Vicky

Quote from: kkut on April 08, 2013, 07:06:05 PM
From the article:

"The church says it now offers more than 200 community ministries and support groups for parents, families, children, couples, prisoners, addicts, and people living with HIV, depression and other illnesses."

A search of their web site brings up nothing in regard our community being supported, unless you want AIDS/HIV to cover all of us.  Having a family member who committed suicide while tragic for all, and worth all compassion, (I have lost one family member to suicide already, and could lose another any day,) will be cause for us to give him and his congregation our prayers and wishes, but is not an assurance of sainthood.  "What you have not done to the least of my creation, you have not done it to ME." 
I refuse to have a war of wits with a half armed opponent!!

Wiser now about Post Op reality!!
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Joelene9

Quote from: Beth Andrea on April 07, 2013, 05:56:26 PM
May he find peace, and the people close to him survive this event.
Thanks, Beth.  Suicide is a failure, not only by those who commit these, by those close to that person as well.  Even though we may raise our children to the best of standards, there will be those with mental problems severe enough to think about suicide.  All we can do is offer the best of support to these people, both the afflicted and their close community regardless of the outcome. 

  Joelene
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Eva Marie

I see a tragedy that a father & mother lost their child.  Nothing else matters.

Can we set aside the religious stuff and just focus on that?
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Shawn Sunshine

yes there needs to be less division umong us, not more, i am sure that everyone here has sent good prayers to the family.

I don't know what Rick Warrens personal stance is on transgender or intersex folk, but I did talk to someone from saddleback church and they told me I'm not allowed to do anything about having an intersex condition or transgender condition, that I just have to stay as I am.
Shawn Sunshine Strickland The Strickalator

#SupergirlsForJustice
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King Malachite

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on April 08, 2013, 12:49:12 PM

Let me tell you I still am at times spiritually scared and want to run away from everything transgender because I fear i will burn in hell for it. I would like someday to just find a happy place but it seems maybe I may never find it. I will keep trying to find the right balance though.

You are so not alone in that feeling.  This has also been crossing my mind.  I haven't heard Rick ever speak but I hope he and his family is doing well.
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big kim

I'm disappointed my views have been deleted,FWIW I'm sorry for his loss but Rick Warren and his kind were never a friend of trans people and never likely to be
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