I just find it abit funny.
Today a friend of mine who lives in Sweden ask me if I had notice how there more non-binary when I go there.
I honestly never thought about it but now when I do, I do think like the swedish trans comunety seams more non-binary compared to the other scandinavian country. probably because its more easy to get homones + that you got gender neutral pronouce (hen).

well I just wonder if theres people who notice countrys/areas/states, where its more easy being non-binary, that others. I dont talk about the general "place its easy to be transexual" cause theres a diffrent in sociaty acepting the binary man or women transexual and or accepting transgender* people as an umbrella term.
I hope you know what im asking.

Where I am in the US non-binary is kinda rare, at least from my experience. I think the more progressive the society the more allowance and acceptance of non-binary individuals. I really just see people who identify as genderqueer but not also as transgendered. But also I don't really get out much

Quotethat you got gender neutral pronouce (hen)

I've never thought of this but that may play into since in English we only have the inanimate pronoun "it" which no one wants to be called, so we go about creating new non-gendered pronouns zie, er, what have you. And I think English speakers who are ignorant to trans* issues and non-binary people just think the creation of new pronouns is silly and have difficulty accepting them as useful words. That's a big struggle with being non-binary, if I am not a he and not a she then how do I define myself? And how do people see me? Maybe it's that strict binary in the English language (which informs how English speakers conceptualize the world) that makes non-binary so unheard of and it's probably the cause for that awful word "->-bleeped-<-". :gross:

but anyway just makes me think

'They', can be used as a singular. 'It', is definitely not good.
I use 'they' around cis people, and they seem to take notice of it, but never comment, either.
'Their', can certainly be used as a singular as well.
I don't personally like the ones that are seldom used anywhere else when we speak.
I think just changing or broadening the definition of some plural words to also a singular use is better.
At least it's a familiar word.
Although it would be nice if our english language already had a proper set of words.

I'm from the St Cloud area of MN. That's a little NW of MPLS.
As far as places where I know of non-binaries, genderqueer, androgyne people,.. not really.
The centers that I go to, sure there's people in the waiting area. But we observe each others privacy.
I think the one center is having an open house kind of thing, one night a week.
This coming week should be the 4th or 5th time they've had it, if they still do.
I need to go check it out. I just noticed the flyer about it only a couple weeks ago.
There is a LGBT bar not to far away, but as far as I can tell, its really a LGB bar.
Not T. But I have only gone there a couple times for one or two beers.
Not long enough to really get the feel of the place.
A bartender said he won't point anyone out, but his answer was that there are, at times.
There's a university here, and there is a sizable crowd of younger people.
Being near retirement age, makes it kind of hard for them to feel comfortable just talking.
But younger people seem to be much more open about being genderqueer.
I have never heard of any mistreatment of Trans* people here. Seldom in MPLS.
So its at least friendly. Racism is pretty much nil. It's a friendly little city.
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Quote from: Kia on April 13, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
I've never thought of this but that may play into since in English we only have the inanimate pronoun "it" which no one wants to be called, so we go about creating new non-gendered pronouns zie, er, what have you. And I think English speakers who are ignorant to trans* issues and non-binary people just think the creation of new pronouns is silly and have difficulty accepting them as useful words.

its like zhe, and they also got that abit in denmark or norway, but like the english "zhe" its seam kinda hard to get used to it, even transpeople find it difficult to use somethimes. In Sweden it started being a queer thing but now I heard it also can be used in general use as well.
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I dont exept the question to be easy, I think its rather hard noticing whatever a sociaty is more non binary or not, its the small diffrence who make the big diffrence, so to speak and I guess mostly we dont think about it, we just pass by.

singular 'they' is getting more common in english. very often used when talking about positions that can be held by both men and women, especially in a hypothetic or general discussion. not so often used about an actual non-binary person, but i think more people would be able to accept yet another rather similar use of a common pronoun, than a newly invented word. i speak a language that doesn't have grammatical gender at all, not even on pronouns. only problem arises when it comes to family relations, because the different kinds of aunts and uncles are a lot more specific than in english.

on a day to day basis, things like pronouns a such doesn't bother me, and even less because almost nobody here treats me as anything other than a person. but when it comes to this ridiculous system that norwegian and danish public health care managed to cook up, the swedes are way ahead of us. i've heard that processes are slow there as well, but at least you don't have to fit the stereotypical 100% transsexual in order to get in.