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Slower rate of change for older girls

Started by Barbara Ann, June 17, 2007, 06:58:50 PM

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Barbara Ann

Hi! I'm over 50 and it seems that I am developing at about half the rate as younger girls. I've been on HRT about 4 months, yet my development suggests to me that I'm more at the 2 month mark. I have read that there is a decrease of estrogen receptions as one's age increases. I've switched from oral (sublingual) to injections. I had been taking progesterone, but have temporarily discontinued it, since I read that progesterone can compete with estrogen in the system. I'm curious if any one has experienced the same slow development.
You are all the best!!
-Barb
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Ms.Behavin

Well I'm 51 and I really can't complain after 7 month hrt. I've read where sometimes it's easier for older girls as there is less T running around too. But I think everyone is different so your mileage may vary.

Beni
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Keira


You can't really generalize.
Devellopment speed mostly depend on human growth hormones level.
As we age we get less HGH, this can be partially compensated for by
taking higher E doses, but only to a point.
The level of decrease of HGH with age is highly variable and can't be generalized.
Even amongst teens, some devellop faster, so slower. Its very hard to determine if your slower rate of growth is due simply to genetics or to aging factors.
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Laura Eva B

Quote from: Barbara Ann on June 17, 2007, 06:58:50 PM
Hi! I'm over 50 and it seems that I am developing at about half the rate as younger girls. I've been on HRT about 4 months, yet my development suggests to me that I'm more at the 2 month mark.

Barb .... get real ...  ::) ...

Development at 4 months, just what are you expecting to see ??? ?!?

Maybe some changes in skin tone and a calming of male sexual urges ? 

Body hair reduction, body shape changes, give it a year at least to get any idea ...

... if your'e thin with a 36 inch chest pre-hrt (like me at 48-yo, 134lb, size 8-10) and so don't have "man boobs" already, think yourself lucky if you achieve a full A cup ... if you're overweight then maybe you'll end up a B or C, but on a wide masculine frame they'll still look like "man boobs" !

Although my breasts are small my size 8 waist and modest but "tall for a woman" 5ft 7in height (5ft 10in in heels) gives me a figure I'm really happy with, especially considering my age (!) .... and unlike bigger or taller girls I'm never "clocked" in the street, any challenge involves far closer more intimate contact.

Teenage girls take quite a few years to "develop", and only achieve their mature body shape when about 20, TS girls starting hrt even at 16 are pushed to catch up, at post 50, when your body's long given up the concept of growing, the hope for major body changes without surgery is a lost cause !

But hey, look at so many 50+ natal women, I look at so many 30+ women and think how much better I look certainly in terms of my "figure" ....

Laura x
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Keira


Laura, on the DIY groups, there's plenty of over 50 girl with B, C and even D cup, I wouldn't generalize.

The effect of agin of growth factors is very variable. If your over 65, then there's a good chance that growth will be very slow and you may not reach your growth potential before death (since HGH levels drop quickly at a more advanced age)
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Laura Eva B

Keira, they're telling lies or they're massively overweight, show me a 50+ ts woman who's really 34/36 C/D or maybe even 38 C/D on hrt alone .... more likely it will be kind of 42/44 C with a 36 - 40 inch waist ::).

Love to see some bikini pics of these women to see what they really look like  :o !!!

Laura  ;) x

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rhonda13000


I am 51. I am not disappointed in the rate of feminization and in one area, surprised by both the rate and magnitude of growth and development.

I had been taking sublingually administered "E", but after experiencing a TIA [not a pleasant experience, but no damage sustained], my doctor and I discussed the issue and we changed the administration mode to IM [Delestrogen].

This was done primarily for long-term systemic health and for safety [oral "E" is well known to create thrombo-embolitic (increased tendency for the blood to clot) risk in older women], but unexpectedly, the rate of feminization significantly increased with the change.

I am content with how the development is proceeding.
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Ms.Behavin

Hum... Well I'm a 38C, well ok, off by about a 1/4" from being C, but still growing.  Yes the wider frame distracts from the boobage. but then again my mother was big framed too and big boobed, so I works with what I've gots. I'm also about 5-11.  I have lost 40+ pounds in 7 months, lots of walking and cycling.  Still need to loose 40 more pounds give or take.   My goal is to be 150ish by march 08 or about GRS time.

It just depends on genetics.  everyone is different. 

Beni
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rhonda13000

Quote from: Beni on June 18, 2007, 10:40:59 PM
Hum... Well I'm a 38C, well ok, off by about a 1/4" from being C, but still growing.  Yes the wider frame distracts from the boobage. but then again my mother was big framed too and big boobed, so I works with what I've gots. I'm also about 5-11.  I have lost 40+ pounds in 7 months, lots of walking and cycling.  Still need to loose 40 more pounds give or take.   My goal is to be 150ish by march 08 or about GRS time.

It just depends on genetics.  everyone is different. 

Beni


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

"Boobage" - I couldn't find that word in the dictionary.

Hmmmm....... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Barbara Ann

I'm really not complaining about my development. I just wanted to see what others have experienced in my age group.
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rhonda13000

Quote from: Barbara Ann on June 19, 2007, 05:28:13 AM
I'm really not complaining about my development. I just wanted to see what others have experienced in my age group.

'Comparative Analysis'

I understand completely and have done exactly as you have done, for the very same reason.

You have a blessed, hon.
:)
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Berliegh

Quote from: Beni on June 17, 2007, 09:38:25 PM
Well I'm 51 and I really can't complain after 7 month hrt. I've read where sometimes it's easier for older girls as there is less T running around too. But I think everyone is different so your mileage may vary.

Beni

I've not noticed much and I started in my 30's. I still can't get any female fat distribution and my breasts are still very small like the size on a guy on the beer. I've been on hormones and anti- androgens for 7 years!

During have time I've tried almost everything but nothing really works and if I'm honest I haven't seen many T girls with the right fat distribution. Possibly one or two at the most. The majority are thin with no hips or development.

I think more research should be done to find out why they rarely work on people over the age of puberty. I am quite feminine anyway, with a small features, frame and a high voice and I would have thought they would work better on me than possibly many others. But this was not the case. I do get upset and it is very frustrating and information should point out that they may not work on some people.
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Rachael

Quote from: Laura Eva B on June 18, 2007, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: Barbara Ann on June 17, 2007, 06:58:50 PM
Hi! I'm over 50 and it seems that I am developing at about half the rate as younger girls. I've been on HRT about 4 months, yet my development suggests to me that I'm more at the 2 month mark.

Barb .... get real ...  ::) ...

Development at 4 months, just what are you expecting to see ??? ?!?

Maybe some changes in skin tone and a calming of male sexual urges ? 

Body hair reduction, body shape changes, give it a year at least to get any idea ...

... if your'e thin with a 36 inch chest pre-hrt (like me at 48-yo, 134lb, size 8-10) and so don't have "man boobs" already, think yourself lucky if you achieve a full A cup ... if you're overweight then maybe you'll end up a B or C, but on a wide masculine frame they'll still look like "man boobs" !

Although my breasts are small my size 8 waist and modest but "tall for a woman" 5ft 7in height (5ft 10in in heels) gives me a figure I'm really happy with, especially considering my age (!) .... and unlike bigger or taller girls I'm never "clocked" in the street, any challenge involves far closer more intimate contact.

Teenage girls take quite a few years to "develop", and only achieve their mature body shape when about 20, TS girls starting hrt even at 16 are pushed to catch up, at post 50, when your body's long given up the concept of growing, the hope for major body changes without surgery is a lost cause !

But hey, look at so many 50+ natal women, I look at so many 30+ women and think how much better I look certainly in terms of my "figure" ....

Laura x
um, im a 34b after 6 months on hrt.. i was a large a cup after 4 months...
a lot happens at the begining...
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Berliegh

Quote from: Rachael on June 23, 2007, 05:24:22 AM
um, im a 34b after 6 months on hrt.. i was a large a cup after 4 months...
a lot happens at the begining...

So you are probably the exception to the rule Rachael.....I need a breast operation as I can't even get an A cup after 7 years on hormones....
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Keira


I took low doses of hormones in my early 20's for several years (4)
Those that have done that tend to do well later. Not sure why.
Possibly because fat cells get created and they're not destroyed later when you stop.
So, if you take hormones later, they're simply reactivated.

As to proper fat redistribution, unless you're overweight, your male skeletal structure and frame will overshadow the fat you have. If your frame is much bigger than a GG, then you need more fat % to really show on your frame, same thing as breasts, a breast size that works for a GG won't work if you've got a 44 inch frame. I think that's where the "too small breasts", not enough fat redistribution, come from mainly.

TS's that have GG size breasts tended to be small framed for their height as men. In my case, I'm 6 foot tall and wear 36C, got them in less than a year (I'll be pushing D eventually the way I'm going) (I'm 39). I've got substantially bigger breasts than my sister. She's a 34B and 5 foot 8.

Of course, if genetically you were supposed to get A's on a 36 frame and your frame is 46, the body will probably not compensate, its not like the breast gland knows what body size its on when it receives the stimulation from E and progesterone, and you'll be lucky to get 42AA. So, your not getting less breast tissue, your just getting less proportionally unless you body size is GG like.




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Berliegh

Quote from: Keira on June 23, 2007, 06:39:32 AM

I took low doses of hormones in my early 20's for several years (4)
Those that have done that tend to do well later. Not sure why.
Possibly because fat cells get created and they're not destroyed later when you stop. So, if you take hormones later, they're simply reactivated.

As to proper fat redistribution, unless you're overweight, your male skeletal structure and frame will overshadow the fat you have. If your frame is much bigger than a GG, then you need more fat % to really show on your frame, same thing as breasts, a breast size that works for a GG won't work if you've got a 44 inch frame. I think that's where the "too small breasts", not enough fat redistribution, come from mainly.

TS's that have GG size breasts tended to be small framed for their height as men. In my case, I'm 6 foot tall and wear 36C, got them in less than a year (I'll be pushing D eventually the way I'm going) (I'm 39). I've got substantially bigger breasts than my sister. She's a 34B and 5 foot 8.

Of course, if genetically you were supposed to get A's on a 36 frame and your frame is 46, the body will probably not compensate, its not like the breast gland knows what body size its on when it receives the stimulation from E and progesterone, and you'll be lucky to get 42AA. So, your not getting less breast tissue, your just getting less proportionally unless you body size is GG like.


Keira, I took hormones in my 20's and I'm not overweight and have a small frame. I'm also not very tall. Could it be I'm not taking progesterone and only oestrogen and anti - androgens? I don't really have an endocrinologist as in the U.K they are hard to find, especially one who might know about gender dysphoria.   

I am booked in soon for a breast operation as so far I've hardly got anything there from hormones. Maybe in America the hormones are a different format as most of the T girls I've seen in England haven't got the right fat -distribution either and they look skinny with no butt. I've yet to see someone anywhere in the U.K who looks close to a genetic female physically.
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mavieenrose

Quote from: Berliegh on June 23, 2007, 09:31:28 AMMaybe in America the hormones are a different format as most of the T girls I've seen in England haven't got the right fat -distribution either and they look skinny with no butt.

I'm originally from the UK which is where I started HRT (EthinylOestradiol + Androcur) and now I have quite a big bum!  :P

That said, I've got a small (but perfectly formed!) bust, which is pretty much inline with my mum and sister.

We all react very differently it seems and even age is no guarantee of either good or bad results. It might really be worth trying to get an expert endo opinion if you're unhappy with your progress (I once went to see one at the Whittington Hospital in North London if that's any help...)

Quote from: Berliegh on June 23, 2007, 09:31:28 AMI've yet to see someone anywhere in the U.K who looks close to a genetic female physically.
Maybe you're only looking out for clichéd trans body shapes and haven't noticed all the other trans people out there...

MVER XXX
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Keira


Like I said, many TS are bigger framed, they've got the fat and the breasts, its just not as noticeable because of proportions.

The TS that have smaller frames are not really distinguishable from GG's except they're usually taller.

The impact of estrogen is the same no matter what the form, though, for fat distribution, its very important that your testosterone level be kept low or some fat will wind up on the abdomen. That's why menauposal women gain fat around their waist, their T to E ratio increases and thus fat distribution becomes less gynoid like (female like).
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Rachael

Quote from: Berliegh on June 23, 2007, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: Keira on June 23, 2007, 06:39:32 AM

I took low doses of hormones in my early 20's for several years (4)
Those that have done that tend to do well later. Not sure why.
Possibly because fat cells get created and they're not destroyed later when you stop. So, if you take hormones later, they're simply reactivated.

As to proper fat redistribution, unless you're overweight, your male skeletal structure and frame will overshadow the fat you have. If your frame is much bigger than a GG, then you need more fat % to really show on your frame, same thing as breasts, a breast size that works for a GG won't work if you've got a 44 inch frame. I think that's where the "too small breasts", not enough fat redistribution, come from mainly.

TS's that have GG size breasts tended to be small framed for their height as men. In my case, I'm 6 foot tall and wear 36C, got them in less than a year (I'll be pushing D eventually the way I'm going) (I'm 39). I've got substantially bigger breasts than my sister. She's a 34B and 5 foot 8.

Of course, if genetically you were supposed to get A's on a 36 frame and your frame is 46, the body will probably not compensate, its not like the breast gland knows what body size its on when it receives the stimulation from E and progesterone, and you'll be lucky to get 42AA. So, your not getting less breast tissue, your just getting less proportionally unless you body size is GG like.


Keira, I took hormones in my 20's and I'm not overweight and have a small frame. I'm also not very tall. Could it be I'm not taking progesterone and only oestrogen and anti - androgens? I don't really have an endocrinologist as in the U.K they are hard to find, especially one who might know about gender dysphoria.   

I am booked in soon for a breast operation as so far I've hardly got anything there from hormones. Maybe in America the hormones are a different format as most of the T girls I've seen in England haven't got the right fat -distribution either and they look skinny with no butt. I've yet to see someone anywhere in the U.K who looks close to a genetic female physically.
im only on low dose E, and spiro, no prog here...
im not an exception, several of my friends have reached this size also, i guess its genetics tho...
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Berliegh

Quote from: mavieenrose on June 23, 2007, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Berliegh on June 23, 2007, 09:31:28 AMMaybe in America the hormones are a different format as most of the T girls I've seen in England haven't got the right fat -distribution either and they look skinny with no butt.

I'm originally from the UK which is where I started HRT (EthinylOestradiol + Androcur) and now I have quite a big bum!  :P

That said, I've got a small (but perfectly formed!) bust, which is pretty much inline with my mum and sister.

We all react very differently it seems and even age is no guarantee of either good or bad results. It might really be worth trying to get an expert endo opinion if you're unhappy with your progress (I once went to see one at the Whittington Hospital in North London if that's any help...)

Quote from: Berliegh on June 23, 2007, 09:31:28 AMI've yet to see someone anywhere in the U.K who looks close to a genetic female physically.
Maybe you're only looking out for clichéd trans body shapes and haven't noticed all the other trans people out there...

MVER XXX


I've been on EthinylOestradiol + Androcur for 7 years through a private clinic. I also tried Zoladex which worked in revearse. Nothing seems to work on me so maybe it's time for me to give up? I've never heard of any experts in London and I went to Charing Cross GIC for 7 years which was a complete waste of time with no referrals or treatment program.....any information or help you have to give would be gratefully recieved...

Also a reply to Keira. I have always had very low or non existant testo levels even way before hormones so the fat around the tummy is not related to testo..... 
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