Maybe it's just me, and it all depends on whether you feel it's worth trading your style for the chance of passing a little more consitently, and of course, it might no make any difference, but I feel like v-neck tops, and those which generally have larger neck-holes are pretty feminine.  I know you like having your chest hair poking through, but the overall impression of v-necks looks feminine to me, and people tend to make their assumptions of gender before getting close enough to pick up on chest hair.

Your face has changed dramatically since you first started T, so I wouldn't lose hope yet.  I joined these forums around the same time as you started T I think if it's been two years (how time flies!) and to be honest, I struggled to see how you would pass as male back then.  Now I struggle to see how people see you as female sometimes.

Quote from: AlexanderC on May 04, 2013, 05:58:32 PM
Maybe it's just me, and it all depends on whether you feel it's worth trading your style for the chance of passing a little more consitently, and of course, it might no make any difference, but I feel like v-neck tops, and those which generally have larger neck-holes are pretty feminine.

I agree that v-necks don't help with passing.

Quote from: spacerace on May 04, 2013, 08:26:46 PM
I agree that v-necks don't help with passing.

Yeah, that is true. Same with tight jeans on a transguy. Unless he passes 100% they just feminize him, imo.

I couldn't help but wonder what this woman was thinking the other month. I've been on HRT for over two years, and I was sitting in the driver's seat and Walmart waiting for someone. I was just reading a book and I notice a child tapping on my car, which is no big deal, especially because it's a piece of s***. Anyway, the woman says to her child, "Don't go hittin' her car, or that lady will come out and beat you." I didn't even look up but glanced around with my eyes and clearly no one else was around. It confused me because I had facial hair then and even before HRT I passed as male, until I spoke.

Some people are just strange, I guess. At the time I was slightly offended but got over it shortly, and just accepted it that she was wrong. Still uncomfortable, though.

And then the second set of face-only pictures without glasses is amazing! In the second picture you are most definitely a dude and I'd call you sir all day long. (ok, that sounds creepy)

Contacts maybe?

Modified to add - check out this website since they allow you to use prefab male and female faces of different shapes to figure out what glasses may look good on you. The FRAMES of your glasses look like something a woman would pick out. http://www.39dollarglasses.com/

I can't get contacts. I also spent a good hour or so picking out my glasses.

Nygeel, first off woah hairline. Second I'm jealous of your facial hair. Idk about those people seeing you as a girl, but I see all male even with some "feminine" facial features I'd clock you as a guy with your voice and especially shadows on your face.
I wear v necks and skinny/tight jeans and it has never hindered my "passing", actually wearing normal men's jeans always did.

I think it's strange too. I pass about 95 to 100% now and it's gotten better since my legal name change. I think my face is similar and I also have big lips. I really don't know. It might be where you live. I think you've had a huge change.

Quote from: Darrin Scott on May 05, 2013, 10:11:17 AM
I think it's strange too. I pass about 95 to 100% now and it's gotten better since my, legal name change. I think my face is similar and I also have big lips. I really don't know. It might be where you live. I think you've had a huge change.

Same here I have no trouble passing at all, my face is round and my lips are full. I'm also a big guy and my fat is just starting to redistribute to my upper body. I also have very thin eyebrows like you Nygeel. I honestly have no clue what could be throwing people off except for some type of mannerisms or the are. You look 100 percent dude to me

Funny how guys here mention being taken as female, even with facial hair and deep voices. What's up with that?

Quote from: Amphoteric on May 06, 2013, 04:44:11 PM
Funny how guys here mention being taken as female, even with facial hair and deep voices. What's up with that?

No idea...happened again today. Was called "ma'am."

Quote from: Nygeel on May 06, 2013, 04:48:33 PM
No idea...happened again today. Was called "ma'am."

That blows my mind.

There's a trans guy in my support group who occasionally gets misgendered, but only from the rear. Could it be something like that, or do these people misgender you to your face??

Quote from: ford on May 06, 2013, 04:52:18 PM
That blows my mind.

There's a trans guy in my support group who occasionally gets misgendered, but only from the rear. Could it be something like that, or do these people misgender you to your face??

To my face and over the phone.

Quote from: Nygeel on May 06, 2013, 04:57:15 PM

Quote from: ford on May 06, 2013, 04:52:18 PM
That blows my mind.

There's a trans guy in my support group who occasionally gets misgendered, but only from the rear. Could it be something like that, or do these people misgender you to your face??

To my face and over the phone.

I still get the phone thing occasionally, even though my voice has changed enough. I think it's because I had a fake 'phone voice' and I somehow keep using it. Habit, I guess.

I hate getting misgendered. Even though I have not been on hormones very long, it still hurts, you know? When you make that mental shift. People not seeing that is pretty rough. Now i'm afraid i'll never pass. I mean I was very feminine before. I looked like this...

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p743/Pogo0/Photoon2-5-13at234AM_zps4f5963fa.jpg

Theres no making that face look masculine. But it'd be pretty awesome if I passed some day. But seeing people two years on hormones that are not passing...almost makes me want to give up to be honest. 

I look like this now. http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p743/Pogo0/Photoon4-20-13at308PM2_zps3aac652e.jpg
About a month on hormones. And my voice, high as a kite. Im also 5'5" and 120. Sooo manly. >_<

The day I pass to one stranger, i'm going to throw a party.

People suck.

Pogopopez, I was pretty feminine looking before T as well, and it took me about 10 months to start passing regularly (at all actually - I never passed and then one day, I literally just began passing and it never stopped). But it still happened. I think you will be fine once your voice drops enough.

Does it get better, yeah it will.
I was having a lot of issues not passing but then all of a sudden about a month agoI started passing o_O Like, very often, even when I was, IMO acting feminine. I think it has something to do with my sunglasses. Females have softer eyes. It doesn't matter for the most part who you look at, most FTM's retain their 'female eyes'

My example seen here;

Mr. Sexy Pants up there has the body of a friggin god, but he still have soft, soft eyes. If I saw him in passing and didn't KNOW, I probably wouldn't misgender him, but if I stood and had a conversation with him (I'm one of those near constant eye contact talkers lol) chances are i'd notice how soft his eyes look.

It's a curse, but it's also nice! I trust a guy with a soft eye over a hard one. Easiest way to avoid it? Sunglasses. Also as others have said, a rounder face is more associated as a feminine feature, so as you continue to loose weight you're face should square up more and that will also help! For now, it's nice out, go pick out some sunglasses is my advice.

I'm also personally pay lots of attention to the mannerisms of men. Yesterday when I went to pick up my T I saw another trans-man who was so distinctly male I did a double take on him. Mostly because of how he walked and stood. He screamed cis-male because of these mannerisms. I try to make sure I use certain mannerisms, but nothing like that dude. Anyways, rounder face, soft female eyes and subtle non-verbal behaviorism can cause misgendering.

Quote from: Bastian on May 10, 2013, 06:50:06 PM
Does it get better, yeah it will.
I was having a lot of issues not passing but then all of a sudden about a month agoI started passing o_O Like, very often, even when I was, IMO acting feminine. I think it has something to do with my sunglasses. Females have softer eyes. It doesn't matter for the most part who you look at, most FTM's retain their 'female eyes'

My example seen here;

Mr. Sexy Pants up there has the body of a friggin god, but he still have soft, soft eyes. If I saw him in passing and didn't KNOW, I probably wouldn't misgender him, but if I stood and had a conversation with him (I'm one of those near constant eye contact talkers lol) chances are i'd notice how soft his eyes look.

It's a curse, but it's also nice! I trust a guy with a soft eye over a hard one. Easiest way to avoid it? Sunglasses. Also as others have said, a rounder face is more associated as a feminine feature, so as you continue to loose weight you're face should square up more and that will also help! For now, it's nice out, go pick out some sunglasses is my advice.

I'm also personally pay lots of attention to the mannerisms of men. Yesterday when I went to pick up my T I saw another trans-man who was so distinctly male I did a double take on him. Mostly because of how he walked and stood. He screamed cis-male because of these mannerisms. I try to make sure I use certain mannerisms, but nothing like that dude. Anyways, rounder face, soft female eyes and subtle non-verbal behaviorism can cause misgendering.

WHO. IS. THAT? WOAH! I wan't to look that dayum fine one day.

....But i doubt that'd happen. 

Oh and yeah, I have not exactly female but very awkward mannerisms in public. Like i'm noticeably uncomfortable. I feel like maybe our mannerisms change with the amount of confidence we have within ourselves. Like, if we are 100% sure and confident and comfortably see ourselves as male, without a doubt. (not worried that people will misgender us) We will be seen by others as male because they will subconsciously pick up on that energy. Just a thought. Just a thought. >_< Maybe?

@Pogopopez I actually don't think your face seems feminine in the before picture. I can't tell much about your body shape in those pictures, but your face certainly isn't feminine.

@Bastian I don't intend on losing more weight. I've had so many problems with eating disorders that it's not psychologically or physically worth it.

My body is sorta. I have a very small build, so men's clothes freakin' envelop me! And man, I have trouble with ED's too. Todays the first day in a week i'm eating normally. My extreme discomfort with my feminine qualities causes this. I was wondering if any other transmen had a problem with this...