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Do I Look Female? (Ver 2.0)

Started by Jamie D, February 05, 2013, 03:20:59 AM

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Shantel

Quote from: versuchsanordnung on May 12, 2013, 11:32:05 AM
soooo...since i've hit an extreme bout of insecurity lately ( or has ist hat me?)... here's two of mine.  without makeup.






what do you say?

I think that you have a nice face to begin with and don't see anything markedly masculine about it. The photos are a bit dark and your attitude and expression looks rather serious, you were probably a bit apprehensive when you took the photos, but just a little makeup and a nice bright eyed perky look coupled with a smile on that basically feminine face would do you wonders. You have a feminine jawline and chin, the nose looks fine and you have nice eyebrows, just a little fine tuning and you will pass visually just fine. Oh, I can't tell for sure, but if your adam's apple is predominant you might need a trach shave.
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toxicblue

Okay, right now my changes with hormones, almost on one year, are starting to become really apparent. However, I feel like I don't completely pass right now, so I haven't even tried to go out as female yet. To tell the truth, I'm rather terrified of the thought of someone clocking me, and it sometimes eats me up.

So if anyone can tell me how I'm doing so far, any tips on passing, or anything that you think would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. And please don't say any BS like "oh you pass perfectly!" because I know that's not true, when in boy mode people still call me "sir."

This picture has no makeup, not very flattering nor am I trying to smile to try to mask anything up.

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Joanna Dark

Quote from: toxicblue on May 13, 2013, 11:53:53 AM
So if anyone can tell me how I'm doing so far, any tips on passing, or anything that you think would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. And please don't say any BS like "oh you pass perfectly!" because I know that's not true, when in boy mode people still call me "sir."

Umm, I don't see how people are calling you sir. Maybe there is something in your mannerisms or presentation (though your top is pretty femme) I can't see. Seriously you look like a girl and I wouldn't say it if I didn't think it.
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muuu

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Shantel

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Quote from: toxicblue on May 13, 2013, 11:53:53 AM

So if anyone can tell me how I'm doing so far, any tips on passing, or anything that you think would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. And please don't say any BS like "oh you pass perfectly!" because I know that's not true, when in boy mode people still call me "sir."


I've been on HRT going on 19 years now and don't live enfemme most of the time anyway. In boy mode I get sir'ed all the time, no big deal because I'm in boy mode, if I go out in girl mode I get ma'am-ed all the time, that's how it works! In that photo you look like a cis female, no BS. With makeup you'd be gorgeous and that's no BS either. BTW the cap sleeved T's really look good on you, very girly. I think our problems with self perception usually stem from our formerly male-ish penchant for idolizing very beautiful cis women in the past and we retain those mental images and wonder why the hell we can't be more like them, when in reality most cis women aren't like them either. Deal with it sweetie, you look good and that's no BS! ~ Shan ~

As an added thought dovetailing on what Muuu said, you might try a hairstyle that minimizes the height of your forehead  a bit, and that slight crease at the bridge of your nose (I have a worse one) it can be botoxed out. There's nothing else you need to do.
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Jess42

Quote from: versuchsanordnung on May 13, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
thanks, Jamie D :)

And Jess: Playboy Centerfold is the last thing i would go for ;)

Well, I wouldn't want to be a playboy centerfold but I wouldn't mind looking like I could be though. ;)
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=celestica=

Quote from: toxicblue on May 13, 2013, 11:53:53 AM
Okay, right now my changes with hormones, almost on one year, are starting to become really apparent. However, I feel like I don't completely pass right now, so I haven't even tried to go out as female yet. To tell the truth, I'm rather terrified of the thought of someone clocking me, and it sometimes eats me up.

So if anyone can tell me how I'm doing so far, any tips on passing, or anything that you think would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. And please don't say any BS like "oh you pass perfectly!" because I know that's not true, when in boy mode people still call me "sir."

This picture has no makeup, not very flattering nor am I trying to smile to try to mask anything up.

It  could be body language when people see you as male. In boy mode we all sort of go back to our old attitude of being quiet and  looking uncomfortable, people will read that and it's not really feminine.
Because i'm looking at your face and it's andro(leaning a lot more to female) to me.
If you reaaaally wanted to pass, just get bangs lol. You wouldn't be able to go into a convinceable boy mode then, but it's just a tip.
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jessicas37

didnt get a reply earlier so i thought i would try again



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just wondering why i keep getting sir'd and weird looks all the time brutal honesty is expected(i know i am fat but am still loosing weight)
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Joanna Dark

well you dont have any visible beard shadow from what I can see and your presentation is female but maybe you could  get your eyebrows done professionally and losing weight should help. You just have to give the hormones time to work. There is nothing that looks overwhelmingly masculine but it's really hard to say why you don't pass. How long have you been on HRT for?
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suzifrommd

Quote from: mandyh92 on May 13, 2013, 05:19:43 PM
wondering why i keep getting sir'd and weird looks all the time brutal honesty is expected(i know i am fat but am still loosing weight)

Don't know for sure, Mandy. Your face looks very feminine to me. I did notice though, don't know how relevant, in the close-up, there seems to be a wee bit of beard shadow around your mouth. Have no idea whether it's just the light, but something for you to keep your eye on.

Your eyebrows look fine to me, but I've been told that finely shaped eyebrows feminize a face. Of course I like the look you have, but it's a suggestion people have had for me.

Take any advice from me with a grain of salt, since I'm not great at passing and I get my share of stares.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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jessicas37

Thanks i appreciate all advise, actually i am 10months post op and HRT for 2+ years. now that i am unemployed i cannot afford any more electroylsys and facial hair slowly growning back i had 6 or 7 laser sessions and about 130 hours of electroylsys.
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Jess42

One suggestion mandy is in the first picture is your mouth. I don't see any shadow of a beard. Try to pay attention and shape your mouth in a more sensual way. Think of all the eighties glam bands in makeup and the way they would use thier mouths and then back it down about two notches. If you practice it eventual muscle memory will take over and it will be natural instead of forced.

I know what you mean about losing wieght. I have been losing ten pounds a month for about 5 months now. Forget the diets. They have never worked for me. I didn't eat anything at all for three days. My stomach shrunk and then I limited my coloric intake down to less than a thousand a day depending on what physically I do that day. Dieting is a big business and I trust wieght watchers and all the other's as much as I trusted Enron. this is the only thing that I have found that has worked for me but if you have health problems check with your doctor. I still eat all the foods I did before but I count the calories and eat a lot less of them.

I hope this helps a little. But to me you look female.
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Jamie D

Quote from: toxicblue on May 13, 2013, 11:53:53 AM
Okay, right now my changes with hormones, almost on one year, are starting to become really apparent. However, I feel like I don't completely pass right now, so I haven't even tried to go out as female yet. To tell the truth, I'm rather terrified of the thought of someone clocking me, and it sometimes eats me up.

So if anyone can tell me how I'm doing so far, any tips on passing, or anything that you think would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. And please don't say any BS like "oh you pass perfectly!" because I know that's not true, when in boy mode people still call me "sir."

This picture has no makeup, not very flattering nor am I trying to smile to try to mask anything up.



You are so cute, but that expression is like, "Who just farted?"
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Jess42

Quote from: toxicblue on May 13, 2013, 11:53:53 AM
Okay, right now my changes with hormones, almost on one year, are starting to become really apparent. However, I feel like I don't completely pass right now, so I haven't even tried to go out as female yet. To tell the truth, I'm rather terrified of the thought of someone clocking me, and it sometimes eats me up.

So if anyone can tell me how I'm doing so far, any tips on passing, or anything that you think would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. And please don't say any BS like "oh you pass perfectly!" because I know that's not true, when in boy mode people still call me "sir."

This picture has no makeup, not very flattering nor am I trying to smile to try to mask anything up.



Ok toxicblue, I won't tell you "oh you pass perfectly" Because you think it's not true. I agree with Jamie but I ain't the one that farted though, because I don't fart. ;)

On a serious note though I envy your lips. In boy mode really, why would they not call you sir. Some people are polite and when you are in boy mode you may be confusing them. If I see someone that looks female but dressing in guy clothes, could be becase I am transgendered too, I am going to assume that they are transgendered. According to what they' re wearing I'm going to adress them accordingly. Sometimes this has backfired on me but I am too polite and have to use the sirs and ma'ams or I feel like I'm being rude.

My impression of you picture is that you are cute, I can only imagine what you would look like in makeup but assume that you pass quite easily wearing it.

Why don't you shoot us a picture in makeup and try to stop being in guy mode, that is probably the whole reason you feel like you can't pass. If you stop being a guy and start being the woman, I'll bet you won't get anymore "sirs". Just let the guy die so the woman can live. Sorry, just a little philosophy.
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Alainaluvsu

I usually don't comment in this thread, but Mandy, it's probably proportions. Things like head height, width, shoulder width, bulkiness of muscle, those things get you clocked. I clocked a transsexual at Walmart that is otherwise completely beautiful just based solely on chin width and forearm definition. Turns out she was a friend of a friend who my friends always clamor about how beautiful she is. I agree, the girl is gorgeous and I'm sure she doesn't get clocked often at all, but things like this get you read and unfortunately they're things we have no control over.

If it's not that it's posture. Women have a pelvic tilt that men do not. HRT may or may not change this naturally (alignment of the ligaments can change to varying degrees with HRT over time... happened to me). Basically, the penis (or where it was) needs to tilt more towards the ground than normal. At the same time, women lead with their hips, not with their shoulders, and they also walk with as little shoulder movement as possible, letting their legs and hips do all of the work. Women also keep their shoulders relaxed but cocked back slightly.

To get the cocked back shoulders, try this: imagine there is a very thin bar going right through middle of your sides where your elbows naturally fall. When walking or standing with your arms at your sides, try to keep your elbows behind that imaginary bar. What this does is forces your body to pull your shoulders back. This coupled with the pelvic movements will bring a more feminine posture.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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kyh

It's hard to tell from your profile picture Lady Sophia. Try posting a straight on picture of your face :)
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Jamie D

Quote from: Ladysophia on May 16, 2013, 12:02:41 AM
                                                          Am I getting closer?

I see what you tried to do, and that won't work.  You need to get a picture address (or pathname) from a picture hosting site.  Most of them have free versions (like PhotoBucket, Flickr, etc) and you can set your privacy access.
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Hideyoshi



No makeup, just turned the camera around and snapped a picture.  Feeling quite dysphoric today
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Stefani2

Okay so here's a photo of me. I am on day 19 of HRT and hardly even presenting PART time yet. The only unambigous physical effect I've noticed so far is that my nipples are really sensitive to the touch and I sometimes experience a stabbing pain if I apply pressure to them (particularly lefty). So I have a looong way to go yet.

Anywhoozle, here's a picture of me taken last night. That kinky hairstyle is the best she could do with the length I've got. I am not wearing any makeup.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90025789@N05/

Bear in mind this photo is rather posed and it took me a couple tries to get it to where I liked it and the lighting was good and the stars were aligned with venus, etc, etc, to the point where even though I thoroughly despise how I look in it it doesn't make me feel like I have to choke back tears of frustration. But I took a video and I looked pretty much the same (except for on my right side I HATE my right side). Where are my biggest flaws. Eyebrows? They'll need waxed fo sho. What else? How well or how not well do you think I will pass with this as my starting postion.

P.S.

I'm 6ft (too frickin taaall), 132 lbs (give or take, I know it's skinny but I am trying to gain weight and up from a week ago) and of Italian descent (hence the nose).
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ZoeM

@Stefani: I think you'll do fine. Your face has good cheekbones and structure, and you don't seem to have any build issues.
Don't lose who you are along the path to who you want to be.








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