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Poll For Androgyne: Transgender Equality

Started by Kendall, June 19, 2007, 08:56:58 AM

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Looking at at the http://www.nctequality.org website, I was wondering how androgynes fare when it comes to equality.

Have you ever faced work place discrimination. Unfair, unequal, wrongful termination, uneasiness, being held back from promotions. From your gender identity, expression, communication, behavior, thinking, or beliefs.
8 (33.3%)
Have you ever experienced physical violence because of being androgyne.
5 (20.8%)
Have you experienced verbal abuse because of being androgyne.
14 (58.3%)
Have you been harassed because of being androgyne.
9 (37.5%)
Have you been raped because of being androgyne.
3 (12.5%)
Have you experienced unwanted physical touching or body contact because of being androgyne.
10 (41.7%)
Have you been denied any public service because of being androgyne.
1 (4.2%)
Have you been asked to leave somewhere only because you are androgyne.
5 (20.8%)
Have you had problems with health service, health insurance, care, or medicines only because you are androgyne
1 (4.2%)
Are you homeless only because you are androgyne.
1 (4.2%)
Have you experienced inability to marry another partner only because of your being androgyne.
2 (8.3%)
Have you experienced difficulty travelling because of you being androgyne.
2 (8.3%)
Have you experienced difficulty in the military because you are androgyne.
1 (4.2%)
Have you experienced gender stereotyping limiting your abilities as an person.
12 (50%)
Do you ever feel like others are talking about you behind your back.
16 (66.7%)

Total Members Voted: 24

Kendall

I wanted to see how androgynes relate to the issues, and plus a few more I added, from the National Center for Transgender Equality (NCTE) http://nctequality.org. To see how we fare with possible social injustices and inequalities. Even those outside the United States can answer as well although the NCTE is a United States none profit org. The social injustices are world wide.

Feel free to comment on the poll or the issues included.

QuoteNew Results after 16 Votes
Most Androgynes Experience: Over Half
Do you ever feel like others are talking about you behind your back.  14 (18.2%)
Have you experienced verbal abuse because of being androgyne.  12 (15.6%)
Have you experienced gender stereotyping limiting your abilities as an person.  10 (13%)

Many Androgynes Experience: About Half
Have you experienced unwanted physical touching or body contact because of being androgyne.  9 (11.7%)
Have you been harassed because of being androgyne.  8 (10.4%)
Have you ever faced work place discrimination. Unfair, unequal, wrongful termination, uneasiness, being held back from promotions. From your gender identity, expression, communication, behavior, thinking, or beliefs.  7 (9.1%)

Some Androgynes Experience: Under Half
Have you ever experienced physical violence because of being androgyne.  4 (5.2%)
Have you been asked to leave somewhere only because you are androgyne.  3 (3.9%)

A few Androgynes:
Have you experienced inability to marry another partner only because of your being androgyne.  2 (2.6%)
Have you experienced difficulty travelling because of you being androgyne.  2 (2.6%)
Have you been raped because of being androgyne.  2 (2.6%)
Have you been denied any public service because of being androgyne.  1 (1.3%)
Have you had problems with health service, health insurance, care, or medicines only because you are androgyne  1 (1.3%)
Are you homeless only because you are androgyne.  1 (1.3%)
Have you experienced difficulty in the military because you are androgyne.  1 (1.3%)


Old Vote tally
Quote
Have you experienced unwanted physical touching or body contact because of being androgyne.  7 (50% or half)
Have you experienced verbal abuse because of being androgyne.  7 (50% or half)
Have you experienced gender stereotyping limiting your abilities as an person.  7 (50% or half)

Have you ever faced work place discrimination. Unfair, unequal, wrongful termination, uneasiness, being held back from promotions. From your gender identity, expression, communication, behavior, thinking, or beliefs.  6 (43%)
Do you ever feel like others are talking about you behind your back.  6 (43%)

Have you been harassed because of being androgyne.  5 (36% about a third)

Have you ever experienced physical violence because of being androgyne.  3 (21% or 1 out of 5)
Have you been asked to leave somewhere only because you are androgyne.  3 (21% or 1 out of 5)

Have you been raped because of being androgyne.  2 (14%)
Have you experienced inability to marry another partner only because of your being androgyne.  2 (14%)
Have you experienced difficulty travelling because of you being androgyne.  2 (14%)

Have you been denied any public service because of being androgyne.  1 (07%)
Have you had problems with health service, health insurance, care, or medicines only because you are androgyne  1 (07%)
Are you homeless only because you are androgyne.  1 (07%)
Have you experienced difficulty in the military because you are androgyne.  1 (07%)






Transgender Help from popular English speaking countries. Read there for details for activism, current laws, and statisitics, and possible help for victims of such acts.

USA
http://www.nctequality.org/
http://www.gpac.org/

UK
http://www.pfc.org.uk/
http://www.gendertrust.org.uk/
http://www.tuc.org.uk/equality/tuc-8246-f0.cfm

AU
http://www.coalitionforequality.org.au/
http://www.sageaustralia.org/

NZ
http://www.genderbridge.org/

Canada
http://www.transalliancesociety.org/ (BC)
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RebeccaFog


Hi,

   Sometimes men will touch me in ways that are uncomfortable that I don't see them doing with other men. An example is a man at work who will approach me and lean in close until his upper body is touching my side or back depending on what direction he has approached me from. I don't see him do this with others and I sense that he is thinking of me as a female. I know, I can't read his mind, but the body language seems to denote a desire for intimacy and anyway, I am highly empathic.
   I do not encourage this behavior. I've had this happen with several other men too.

  My partner will not marry me since I revealed my gender issues this past year or so. They are no longer issues for me. I am okay with my gender variance, but I did go through a time of wonder and learning to get here. She thinks I am going to suddenly decide to become a woman. I assume that one of us will learn as time goes by.
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Intertween

I have been subjected to none of those injustices.

-- Sue
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Pica Pica

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Thundra

I had some yahoo mistake me for a tweak when I was a stupid kid. I was minding my own business. I never knew that some guys prey upon young boys until then. Beat me and left me for dead when he found out I didn't need to wear boxers. That's OK. I went back and killed his a**. For real. Schedule 40 is a great equalizer. I don't regret it for a moment either. I don't get mad, I get even. People need to stop being so nice and fight back. I don't take s&^% from anyone anymore.
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Seshatneferw

I'm not sure if I qualify for this poll: I identify unambiguously as female, but I'm not (yet?) sure it's big enough a deal that I will ever transition. Anyway, I answered the poll, interpreting 'because you are androgyne' as 'because you don't conform to the traditional male model'. It seemed to work.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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no_id

Hmm (yes I tend to 'hm(m)' a lot), I've had some annoying experiences from being called out, beaten up (lets beat up the ->-bleeped-<- dyke), and having men play gynocologists to find out if I wasn't 'hiding anything'. ::) Nevertheless, I have a pretty good punch (to use if necessary) and have learnt to ignore shouts. Therefore I deal with the consequences of being an open person, and since I've retreated from the nightlife scenario (bless being a loner) I haven't encountered any difficulties. 
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Pica Pica

blimey. where i live no one cares. about anything. ever. it's quite dull.
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Tay

I've been (before I ever figured out I was androgyne--I've always dressed androgynously, even as a child) beaten up for being the "femmiest danged ->-bleeped-<-got we ever saw."  I've been held down by my hair and screamed at for being an "it."  I still start to cry whenever someone calls me an it.  I've been screamed at and called a ->-bleeped-<-got by passing cars when I'm walking along, only to scream back "Dyke would be closer."

When it comes to work, I rarely can make friends with the girls because I CONSISTENTLY say something wrong and then they all look at me funny and kind of shun me.  The guys tend to look at me as their little sister and put up with my "girliness" but they NEVER shun me for the exact same story or statement that the girls did.  I KNOW the girls talk about me behind my back--sometimes they don't go far enough away that I can't hear them.  My female bosses ALWAYS look at me as a thorn in their side because I typically end up in female-dominated work places and in some, I have to separate myself from the girls in order to be able to handle the workplace.  The job I'm in now, the boss was upset that I went and sat in a different room, but the girls would be silent when I was in their room and talk the second I left the room to get something.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Pica Pica on June 20, 2007, 10:05:22 AM
blimey. where i live no one cares. about anything. ever. it's quite dull.

Be grateful, young one.
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Mia and Marq

Where I work, they've sat me down and suggested that I dress more professionally but told me they were in no way allowed to tell me to do anything. I suppose thats leaps better then being told "cut your hair, fingernails, and shave more ofte, you're making the rest of us look bad.

M&M
Being given the gift of two-spirits meant that this individual had the ability to see the world from two perspectives at the same time. This greater vision was a gift to be shared, and as such, Two-spirited beings were revered as leaders, mediators, teachers, artists, seers, and spiritual guides
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Kendall

Thank you for your honesty. I put the today's numbers in my first post in order. Looking through the answers shows how tough, dangerous, and even threatening just being yourself can be to others. The results here are things that should not be, but are because of many reasons. Lack of respect, intolerance, violence, inequality, and sometimes injustice. I respect everyone's pasts and struggles to be the persons that they are despite the mistreatments, unlawfulness, isolation, harm, and unfairness.

With some hope and good fortunes, the gathering and efforts of such groups like the National Center for Transgender Equality (NCTE) http://nctequality.org (or whichever group is in your own country) along with some media / news coverage can help change things for the better.

If you havent put your own experiences in the pools yet, feel free. The pools are open indefinate, and I will eventually update the prioritized list. Or also you can change your answers at anytime.
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RebeccaFog

Hi Ken / Kendra,

    I think this poll is a good idea and I'm happy to have contributed to your project.


Rebecca
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Emerald


Is life tough, dangerous, even threating for someone who has an Androgyne gender identity?
I haven't found it to be so. I've not experienced any harassments or injustices due to my psychological androgyny. I have, however, experienced sexual discrimination and a few dangerous situations because I'm female-bodied - but that is an entirely separate matter...

There is a big difference between what is psyche and what is soma.

-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:
Androgyne.
I am not Trans-masculine, I am not Trans-feminine.
I am not Bigender, Neutrois or Genderqueer.
I am neither Cisgender nor Transgender.
I am of the 'gender' which existed before the creation of the binary genders.
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Pica Pica

Of course it may be that life is tough, dangerous and threatening to everyone. I live in a violent city and the only person I know who has been beaten up, was beaten up on a whim.
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Tay

Quote from: Emerald on June 23, 2007, 12:26:48 AM

Is life tough, dangerous, even threating for someone who has an Androgyne gender identity?



In my case, I was raised in a community that did not accept any not-normative behaviour--and not-normative behaviour included being not 100% white.  I'm not purely white and I have never in my life dressed as a female as more than a hobby.  Same with dressing as purely male.  My typical dress, as a young child, was boys' clothes, pretty hair ties and girls' jewellery (I like shiny things.)  That is what resulted in other students attacking me and calling me "it" and beating me up and, on occasion, groping me to find out what "it" was.  Even though my name was feminine and they knew it.

As I've grown older, I've found that people assume I'm either a femmey gay or a bulldyke.  When they just see me, they lean towards femmey gay (I often bind my chest and I like baggy clothes that conceal my body).  If they hear my voice, they lean towards bulldyke.  I've received discrimination from people who think I am either one.
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Doc

I am unsure if the unwanted physical touching is because I am female-bodied or because I look androgynous in an attractive sort of way.

I have been yelled at by strangers on a bus for wearing shorts without shaved legs. I refuse to go to swimming pools because women will actively say, "Eeewww!" and worse, because of my sasquatch legs and unshaven armpits.

My body odor is mysteriously masculine. A lot of otherwise straight women will sniff me and go, "Mmmm." But I have, in more than one workplace, been told to bathe more often and wear deodorant. In fact I do both, and unhostile observers find that I smell 'man-lite' and significantly less strong than male co-workers. I just don't smell like a woman.

When I worked in a factory assembly line I was laid off. I said to the manager, "I see the numbers, I know I assemble more parts in a day than anybody else in my position on the line, so why am I laid off when people who don't perform as well have been retained?" She said, "You don't make this a fun place to work." I assume what she really meant is, "You do not fart around with the girls giggling and talking about 'Ally McBeal' (a television show that was popular at the time) nor do you fart around with the boys giggling and talking about women's butts."

When I worked doing computer stuff, I was harrassed into quitting shortly after the business owners decided to allow clients to visit the shop. I am certain they didn't want their customers to see my weird-looking self.

I have very long hair and slick it back with pomade and braid it tightly. The patent-leather result is androgynous yet formal, it's quite common among both male and female members of the philharmonic, not to mention Stephen Fry. But when I first started at my current job my boss told me my hair was greasy and I needed to wash it more often. For quite a while she kept staring at me as if trying to figure out why I, someone she percieves as a woman, don't look quite right, and every couple of weeks she would take me aside with some bizzare complaint about my appearance. This was rather insulting, as her brains seemed inevitably to translate "looks odd" to "is dirty." Or informal. Once she told me that my clothes were 'a little too casual' and I was quite puzzled, because I wear a uniform that's the same as everybody else's -- the only difference is that my surgical scrubs are in subdued solid colours rather than bright pastels or prints of flowers or cartoon cats. Now that she's used to seeing me all the time, my boss has stopped peering at me with that amusing-yet-annoying confused expression, or mentioning how I look.
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Kendall

I put links to, in the most case, two different equality promoting TG groups from major english speaking Countries, above in my first post. You will see that most have common themes.
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storm

Hello, don't know if you have still interesting in this subject, but just wanna vote
I'm newe here and I was glad not to be the only one My answers;
Have you ever experienced physical violence because of being androgyne.
Have you experienced unwanted physical touching or body contact because of being androgyne
Do you ever feel like others are talking about you behind your back.

those 3, absolutely
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Jaimey

I think if I had been male, I would have gotten much worse treatment.  The only one I could pick was "do you feel that people talk about you behind your back."  I KNOW people talk about me.  My family, friends, pretty much everybody.  Any unwanted touching or advances I've gotten are because I'm female, not androgyne.  The fact that I didn't like it probably had to do with being androgyne.  I HATE getting advances because of the way I look.  It makes my skin crawl.  My body doesn't define me.  That's just from men, of course.  As far as women go, it's more my family.  My cousin once saw me with a guy friend and told everybody that she'd seen me with a boy!  She was so excited!  Too bad he's gay.  And I had a friend visit from college and he went to church with me and EVERY SINGLE PERSON there thought he was my boyfriend and made a huge fuss, embarrassing me greatly.

Living in the south, being a "tomboy" is okay for girls and being a "sissy" is not okay for boys a lot of the time.  So my body is a blessing for me, no matter how much I don't like it.  :)
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