When I realized I was TG it was the mid '50s and there were not many options. So I adapted. Now that I am approaching geezerhood I would like to have SRS, but I have no intention of taking hormones or changing the way I live and/or appear in public. Psychologists can't seem to get that simple concept into their heads, or want me to appear before them for months before they support me. So the heck with it. If any of you could recommend good SRS surgeons worldwide who do not require WPATH, I would really like to know!

Thanks!

Jessica

That's a great question, and I remember seeing an old topic about that somewhere.  I am going to hunt for it, and see what I can find.

BTW, welcome to the site, and please check out the posting rules in the Announcements board.

I know i would love to find one too...yes im still young, under 30, but it just makes more sense to me to undergo SRS then transition so clothes and everything fits better and naturally and so on.

Quote from: JessicaLM on June 03, 2013, 03:29:39 PM
When I realized I was TG it was the mid '50s and there were not many options. So I adapted. Now that I am approaching geezerhood I would like to have SRS, but I have no intention of taking hormones or changing the way I live and/or appear in public. Psychologists can't seem to get that simple concept into their heads, or want me to appear before them for months before they support me. So the heck with it. If any of you could recommend good SRS surgeons worldwide who do not require WPATH, I would really like to know!

Thanks!

Jessica

I think your best bet would be to contact the surgeons directly. Here is a list from our Wiki. https://www.susans.org/Sex_Reassignment_Surgery/MTF_Surgeons/

Hope this helps, hugs, Devlyn

I sent an email to ICATH asking about doctors who provide SRS here in the US so when they reply ill post the email here for you.

Most doctors who sidestep the process,(usually by getting fast letters for a fee) wont even try to help you or operate on you if you don't appear as a girl.
It seems like a good idea to have surgery first, because you wouldn't be exposed to sky high drug regimens but you hav to realize after surgery is not all sugar and sweets, there is a lot of tough things you will have to do and go through, and if your thinking of just doing this and going on with no HRT, that is a major bad mistake as after having no hormones in your system bones will get very brittle and break-think osteoporosis.
There is so sound reasoning behind transitioning first and not last, its partially to "test you" and partially to get you and your body ready for the landslide of emotions you will get from the hormonal shift. sidestepping the requirements IMO would be a bad choice.

oh and no dr in the us will sidestep wpath - period

Quote from: calico on June 03, 2013, 07:52:56 PM
oh and no dr in the us will sidestep wpath - period

do you not know what ICATH is at all?

Quote from: kariann330 on June 03, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
do you not know what ICATH is at all?

How about a link? That's customary.  Hugs, Devlyn

Www.icath.org

Informed consent transgender care organization in the US.

Quote from: kariann330 on June 03, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Www.icath.org

Informed consent transgender care organization in the US.

Thanks, now we all know what it is. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on June 03, 2013, 08:38:36 PM
Thanks, now we all know what it is. Hugs, Devlyn

I just figured that people did there research BEFORE starting transition. I know i did and used that research to my advantage in every way i could. Because of informed consent i didn't have to go to therapy for at least 90 days prior to starting HRT, i attended 3 sessions...with ICATH SOC all you have to do is read the risks to your health, scribble your signature on a form and your good to go.

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That's the thing with ICATH, there are no letters. You simply sign a form consenting a doctor to administer the desired treatments, and that you understand the health risks that come with said treatment....no letters, no therapy, just your signature. ICATH is basically a loosely guided SOC unlike WPATH that is very black and white and has very set requirements for treatment ie you MUST be in therapy for 90 days prior to beginning HRT, you MUST live X amount of time blah blah blah....WPATH is outdated and ICATH is moving in and revolutionizing transgender health care.

Quote from: kariann330 on June 03, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Www.icath.org

Informed consent transgender care organization in the US.

Thank you for supplying that link.

Very interesting post. Not interested in HRT? Really? I ask because MtF's on HRT usually lose the dimorphic OCD loop. It was true for me. I have a feminine brain, and with HRT it's like it's finally supercharged with the right fuel. HRT fixes the brain, and the side-effect is feminization...A great side-effect that conforms with sense of self. Can a trans woman be truly happy without HRT? I really would like to know? I'm the happiest I've ever been now that I'm receiving Estradiol.

Thanks!

WPATH is based on 60 year old guidelines. Many believe the "real-life" experience requirement was an exercise in sadism. THat what was really being tested was a trans person's capacity for humiliation. Therapy is there to help those of us deal with the truth, family, friends, and what to expert through the transition process. Therapist should not be the HRT gatekeepers. In the EU it;s the right of every trans person to transition. 

Quote from: DrBobbi on June 03, 2013, 10:28:24 PM
In the EU it;s the right of every trans person to transition.

EU nations use their standards of care, usually requiring up to 2 years before getting hormone therapy.

The WPATH SoC is popular for a reason (even if aspects of it are outdated still) because people like to blame others for their bad judgment. There are surgeons who are informed consent but most of them aren't worth the risk. Thailand is probably the best country for access/quality of care.

Quote from: Flan on June 03, 2013, 11:06:30 PM
The WPATH SoC is popular for a reason (even if aspects of it are outdated still) because people like to blame others for their bad judgment. There are surgeons who are informed consent but most of them aren't worth the risk. Thailand is probably the best country for access/quality of care.

I wouldn't necessarily say that, they are operating on an updated Soc, and the thai government have gotten very strict on the requirements to be able to have surgery, I know because I had to jump through the hoops.

what I meant earlier was there isn't a surgeon in the us who will operate and sidestep Wpath Soc, hormones? sure you can get those but surgery? IMO I don't think informed consent would work on this and prob shouldn't because the mortality rate would increase, I mean thing about it, someone who is just questioning themselves or was bullied to much or even a really sensitive guy all of a sudden says hey I should be a girl that'd be easier! go and has the surgery and regrets doing so, and well guess what, its not reversible! clearly they should of talked to someone but oops its to late  guess the next best thing is suicide, and then that's another to the numbers.

I do not agree to informed consent surgery. I think anyone-ANYONE should make sure they are ready for it, and if you can survive w/o it well IMO you should probally not get it, its not a game or something that should be switched on the fly its a serious commitment and  someone who is getting it done better know whats in store for them.
I only say these things because I truly care....

I understand you care, but honestly im not a poodle in a circus, jumping thru hoops held up by some old man just isn't my thing which is why i support ICATH and all that they stand for....transition on my terms, when i want it, not when some panel of people who don't know me, or my thoughts say i "qualify" for the next step in my life.