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Started by Mr.X, June 21, 2013, 03:14:22 AM

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Michelle S.

Quote from: xchristine on June 22, 2013, 01:25:36 AM
I believe we are a design by motjer nature for population
Control....were designed in for a balance. .
What reason do we exist for?? We don't produce children...

What we can do is lure men from woman..and quite effectively ...
For every time a man is with us...that is potentially one less
Baby ..

And why the super increase of trans children?? We are that over
Populated.  Our incident level went up 200 fold in children lately .

M'y crazy ideas after studyig us girls boys ..homos...trans....
And thé massive population....

That's assuming all transwomen are straight! I'm les and have two kids :P


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Michelle S.



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AdamMLP

Quote from: xchristine on June 22, 2013, 01:25:36 AM
I believe we are a design by motjer nature for population
Control....were designed in for a balance. .
What reason do we exist for?? We don't produce children...

What we can do is lure men from woman..and quite effectively ...
For every time a man is with us...that is potentially one less
Baby ..

And why the super increase of trans children?? We are that over
Populated.  Our incident level went up 200 fold in children lately .

M'y crazy ideas after studyig us girls boys ..homos...trans....
And thé massive population....

That's also ignoring that it's less taboo to be trans now than it was forty years ago.  And if mother nature wanted to reduce the population wouldn't there just be a natural disaster?  Much easier.
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Heather

Quote from: xchristine on June 22, 2013, 01:25:36 AM
I believe we are a design by motjer nature for population
Control....were designed in for a balance. .
What reason do we exist for?? We don't produce children...

What we can do is lure men from woman..and quite effectively ...
For every time a man is with us...that is potentially one less
Baby ..

And why the super increase of trans children?? We are that over
Populated.  Our incident level went up 200 fold in children lately .

M'y crazy ideas after studyig us girls boys ..homos...trans....
And thé massive population....
I don't think it really works that way. They are plenty of lgbt people who have children. And nature doesn't need us for population control it already has disease, famine, and natural disasters for that. And I'm not here to lure men away from women I am a women! Should a women who can't have kids stay single for the fear that she may be preventing the man from being a father?
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peky

Quote from: xchristine on June 22, 2013, 01:25:36 AM
I believe we are a design by motjer nature for population
Control....were designed in for a balance. .
What reason do we exist for?? We don't produce children...

What we can do is lure men from woman..and quite effectively ...
For every time a man is with us...that is potentially one less
Baby ..

And why the super increase of trans children?? We are that over
Populated.  Our incident level went up 200 fold in children lately .

M'y crazy ideas after studyig us girls boys ..homos...trans....
And thé massive population....

If in antiquity say 1,000 years BCE, the word "eunuch" included folks affected by GID, then your hypothesis would not hold much water.

That ^^^ aside, homosexuality has existed for as long as our specie existed. The evolutionary value of homosexuality has been discussed for quiet sometimes. Yes, there is an hypothesis similar to your that states that homosexuality has an altruistic value and could have been initially served as a population control system.

I have pondered the sociological and evolutionary value of MTF GID folks. My hypothesis is that having a "strong" trans-female had a protective value to the "foraging cis females in any given tribe.

If my posit is correct then what is the evolutionary value in our modern society?
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peky

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Quote from: Heather on June 22, 2013, 08:34:47 AM
I don't think it really works that way. They are plenty of lgbt people who have children. And nature doesn't need us for population control it already has disease, famine, and natural disasters for that. And I'm not here to lure men away from women I am a women! Should a women who can't have kids stay single for the fear that she may be preventing the man from being a father?

At 7 billion humans, I think mother's nature population control is an abysmal failure...LOL
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Heather

Quote from: peky on June 22, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
At 7 billion humans, I think mother's nature population is an abysmal failure...LOL
You have a point and I think we have found ways around mother natures attempts at population control. :)
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Devlyn

Quote from: Heather on June 22, 2013, 08:50:45 AM
You have a point and I think we have found ways around mother natures attempts at population control. :)

Mother Nature hasn't played the "Comet" card on us yet!
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xchristine

Also when motjer nature designed us....I don't think she imagined we
Would marry and stay in mono relationships..

Given that you take away marriage and the act of exclusiveness..
You would have men running around doing anyhing that walked...
Including us ..under that model...the way men were..
We would be constantly waking up with a concussion and dripping ummm..

Hence another way to look at it is..a gender variant female that cannot
Get pregnant...

As we all know how men are...if left to themselves...they would be non
Stop doing anything feminine or ones they can dominate ..
Which is us quite easily...its not hard to see to see a physical differance in
A lot of ts girls...lower strength.  More petite body.  Less aggressive. .

So if under a animistic model which motjer nature created us as...
A single ts girl in a city can easily drop the birthrate by at least
365 a year OR MORE.....and as we increase in poplulatoon that effect gets
Larger...

Just my wacked out theories....I work in isolated environments ...
I tend to think...
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Heather

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on June 22, 2013, 09:00:42 AM
Mother Nature hasn't played the "Comet" card on us yet!
No she hasn't! :icon_nervious:
Quote from: xchristine on June 22, 2013, 09:42:20 AM


As we all know how men are...if left to themselves...they would be non
Stop doing anything feminine or ones they can dominate ..

I think that is just a stereotype they are lots of good men out there that are not going out and sleeping with everything. And the ones that are doing that are more than likely not secure in their own masculinity. And thus trying to over compensate for it.
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Michelle S.

Quote from: xchristine on June 22, 2013, 01:25:36 AM
What we can do is lure men from woman..and quite effectively ...
For every time a man is with us...that is potentially one less
Baby ..

I have to put this out there, that is terrible. We don't lure men from anything and anyone doing so should be ashamed. I once knew a girl who literally made it a game to trick men into sleeping with her without revealing she was pre-op. What she was doing was in my mind not okay and it almost sounds like you're saying that's our purpose in life. I think most of us would agree we are women who are in fact looking for partners and not men to "lure" into having sex with us...

If gays, intersex, trans and infertile men/women were a part mother nature's master plan for population control I'd have to say she's a moron. :)


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Joanna Dark

Maybe there is no reason. Maybe it just is. Sometimes things just are.
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aleon515

Quote from: xchristine on June 22, 2013, 01:25:36 AM
I believe we are a design by motjer nature for population
Control....were designed in for a balance. .
What reason do we exist for?? We don't produce children...

What we can do is lure men from woman..and quite effectively ...
For every time a man is with us...that is potentially one less
Baby ..

And why the super increase of trans children?? We are that over
Populated.  Our incident level went up 200 fold in children lately .

M'y crazy ideas after studyig us girls boys ..homos...trans....
And thé massive population....


Maybe no actual increase in trans children. Increase in trans children coming out. How many of you actually came out very early-- I did. Of course, it was just kind of cute in my case (in some cases it was punished).

I don't know that it is genetic in the usual sense-- maybe a normal variation. Just because it isn't convenient doesn't make it abnormal.


--Jay
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Simon

Quote from: aleon515 on June 22, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
How many of you actually came out very early-- I did. Of course, it was just kind of cute in my case (in some cases it was punished).

I never told my parents before I left home at 18 because my mom was a very strict Southern Baptist and I knew they would have thrown out all of my guy clothes and made me just wear dresses (which would have been disastrous). I remember being screamed at when I was little multiple times for being caught standing up peeing. When I was 15 I cut my hair off and started buying men's underwear. At 17 I started binding and trying different names. There is no way towards the end that they didn't know but in the house I grew up in we didn't discuss things.
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Liminal Stranger

Quote from: Jamie D on June 22, 2013, 12:39:14 AM
This is not inherently an FtM-only topic, so I have moved it up a level for a wider discussion.
Ah. It was in the FTM section before  :)
Interesting theories here...now if only that 109.5:1 ratio applied to the whole world  ;D




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Marvel

I would think its close to 1:1 as as is the female:male ratio
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Cassandra Hyacinth

Well, since the topic got bumped, I may as well throw in my opinion.

I reckon that the actual number of CAMAB and CAFAB trans* is roughly equal. The reason it seems like most are CAMAB is because many statistics only factor in those that have had bottom surgery. It's well known that women are more likely to get bottom surgery than men - the reasons for which are two-fold. First of all, obviously neovulvas/vaginas usually resemble natural vulvas/vaginas more so than neopenises resemble natural penises (and with phalloplasty, there's a big risk of losing sensation, whereas with vaginoplasties the risk is pretty low). The second reason is that women are under a lot more pressure to have a vagina than men are to have a penis. In a society which regards the female body as a commodity, something for men to consume and objectify, not having the 'right' genitalia brands you as a failure. With the male body, which isn't objectified to nearly the same extent, there's less pressure. So ultimately, many trans women who wouldn't otherwise particularly want bottom surgery are getting it anyway due to societal pressures, which is less frequently the case for trans men.

Now with regards to why trans women have so much more visibility. The lion's share of representation of trans women treats them as either a punchline or a monster. Again, the reasons for this are rooted in misogyny. In a world where men are seen a superior, and women consequently as inferior, the idea of any male choosing to be a woman (N.B. obviously for most trans people it isn't a choice, but this is from society's point of view) is seen as absurd - why would someone born into a 'superior' class want to associate themselves with a class that is 'inferior'? Because trans women pose a very real threat to the idea of male supremacy, there are two ways in which they are defamed. The most common way is to portray them as having an incentive to attract unsuspecting hetero men and sleep with them, thus representing the one facet of life in which misogynists see women as having power over them (i.e. by being sexually attractive) - they are regarded as deceptive and perverted, thinking of nothing but sex. The second most common method is to portray them as evil or otherwise mentally ill - thus, their 'desire' to become female is seen as being rooted in their being 'crazy' (which in itself is a function of ableism - a topic for another day). In these ways, it's insured that trans women are never taken seriously, and male supremacy stays unchallenged.

By contrast, trans men do not pose nearly as big a threat to male supremacy. Because from a misogynist's standpoint, why wouldn't someone born into the female class want to 'emulate' men, the 'superior' class? While trans women are pathologised, trans men can be mostly ignored by society, because being male is not seen as inferior. They will still often be dismissed, of course, but there is no need for such a concentrated effort to mark them out.

One last thing to note is that trans men often have a much easier time assimilating into society (i.e. becoming 'stealth') than trans women do. This is partially due to the nature of HRT (in particular the way that testosterone induces facial hair growth and a deepened voice, whilst estrogen does not reverse this), but a much bigger reason is due to the way we subconciously gender people. It's something that almost everyone does without even thinking - within seconds we will have formulated whether we see a person as male or female based on their physical appearance. Most people do this by looking for male traits - those with them are regarded as men, whilst those without them are regarded as women. This stems from the cultural perception that men, as the 'superior' class, are defined as 'having' something, and women are defined as 'lacking' that same thing. Aside from visible breasts, almost every gendered trait we notice most is a male trait. Facial hair, an Adam's apple, M-shaped hairline, wide shoulders etc. - the presence of even one of these can be enough for someone to gender someone else as male. If the person in question has more than one of these things, they are even more likely to be gendered as male. Couple that with the fact that women in general are scrutinised for their appearance much more so than men, and you have a culture where 'passing' is much more difficult for trans women than trans men.

So long story short, the reason CAMAB folks get so much more visibility than CAFAB folks is out of a need to pathologise everything related to the 'female' class.
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Tristan

One thing I have noticed is that to be a man is to be in control in alot of places. Like as a guy you can just go places and not worry about being raped or kidnapped. I know with my 6 months of full male mode I got to go to Costa Rica as a guy. Iraq, Dubai London and even Germany. So much power as a guy. So much is given up as a girl. I'm only saying this because many women have told me this is the reasons they would want to be men. Plus the standing a peeing thing. I have never been able to actually meet a FtoM or another MtoF for that matter but all the FtoMs on this sure seem like normal hot guys to me. I'm surprised there's not more inline.
Ps did I mention quite a few FtoMs I have seen on this sure are hot ;)
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Soren

I think it's a media thing. A 'man' giving up 'his' dominant position in a patriarchal society provides more shock value than a 'woman' trying to 'get an upper hand'. More shock value means more viewers. More viewers means more money. So the media portrays far more mtfs than ftms. Most ftms are portrayed as crossdressers and happily go back to the kitchen and make babies at the end of the show/program/movie/book. Without the media covering ftm, and only focusing on mtf, a great many of the men faab live their lives miserably as female. Or they suicide, without anyone knowing why.
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Tristan

Quote from: Soren on July 13, 2013, 11:06:14 PM
I think it's a media thing. A 'man' giving up 'his' dominant position in a patriarchal society provides more shock value than a 'woman' trying to 'get an upper hand'. More shock value means more viewers. More viewers means more money. So the media portrays far more mtfs than ftms. Most ftms are portrayed as crossdressers and happily go back to the kitchen and make babies at the end of the show/program/movie/book. Without the media covering ftm, and only focusing on mtf, a great many of the men faab live their lives miserably as female. Or they suicide, without anyone knowing why.
You know. I really do think. You make a good point. To the general public I could see a FtoM being way more acceptable. If its about power and such things in the non trans persons eyes they can understand that more easy. Plus it helps to be male in male dominant places and jobs. And most of the trans guys I have seen on this site are kinda hot ... I'm just sayin.....
I'm gunna be quiet now :)
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