Elizabeth,
If the below statements were intended to say that "I agree with you that identifying as a woman is every person's right... ...I don't have any problem at all with anyone proclaiming they are the gender they are transitioning to. What I have a problem with is denying one's transsexuality... ...What I object to is denying one transsexuality in an attempt of elevating one's status" I most certainly did not get that from what you said.
Quote from: Elizabeth on June 28, 2007, 06:01:07 PMIf you were born with a male body, you are not a woman. You are a transsexual. Stating that you are not is just another denial. All the denials in the world, all the proclaiming to be a woman, will do nothing to make you an actual woman.
Quote from: Elizabeth on June 30, 2007, 12:45:00 AM
There is a difference between how one feels about themselves and what they are. To say one feels like a woman is one thing, to say one is a woman is another. Women don't transition to be women.
Quote from: Elizabeth on June 30, 2007, 05:45:19 PM"I am not a transsexual, I am a woman". This is a false statement if one is born with male genitalia.
I do not consider myself "a transsexual" I consider myself "a woman". To me transition is a cure not an identity. However do I consider myself any better than you because I don't identify as "a transsexual"? Absolutely not: post op, pre op, GG, non op, woman, denial, whatever they aren't tiers we achieve, a GG is not better than a pre-op, a pre-op is not better than someone in denial. That said I do wish I had 1/10th your courage to just be myself damn the torpedoes.
Do I have an agenda? Yes. Am I playing any games? No.
What we, what many people and communities in this world need is simple acceptance for who we are. That doesn't mean giving up your opinions, but it does mean you don't need to tell them you think they are wrong. Do I personally believe Kate is a "Faery" or "Changeling"? No Would I tell her I don't believe she is? No(except to make this point, Sorry Kate)
If someone tells you "You are not a transsexual, in my opinion." does appending ",in my opinion" make you feel they accept you in a way that just saying "You are not a transsexual." doesn't? To me both statements are opinions and both are telling the recipient I don't accept your belief about yourself. Appending the words ",in my opinion" doesn't modify what was said.
Yes I have an agenda, I want to see every man, woman, transsexual, faery, or anything else someone identifies as simply accepted for who they are without our community telling them no you aren't because... <insert reason>
Our community and every other community will benefit greatly if the world ever becomes accepting of one another. But that change doesn't start with our family and friends or with anti discrimination laws as important as those may be. It starts right here in our own community. Only when we can look at each other and say I accept you for who you are can we go to others and say accept me for who I am. As long as we bicker among ourselves about who's a woman, who's a transsexual, or any other rulers how can we go to the rest of the world and say accept me for the woman or man I am simply because I say I am?
I didn't smite you simply because I disagreed with you, I'm an opinionated bitch that does a lot of disagreeing. I smote you because I read your post as challenging Yvonne's identity in a way that I strongly believe fundamentally harms our community and our world, and when I called you on it you stood by what you said. If you think smiting is a "dangerous game" smite away. I don't have a whooping 8 reputation points because I try to say what's popular and collect brownie points.
