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Started by Cindy, August 03, 2013, 06:38:35 AM

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Cindy

I'm going through old stuff

I found this:



What happened to my generation? What do the young ones think?

Spare no pain
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SaveMeJeebus

I am not sure what you are asking  :-\
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MeghanAndrews

Wait, which generation? Like born from what year to what year? You are 36 so you mean like younger folk :)
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Yuki-jker86

it was a period of upturn wasn't it?
things have changed in the world and people have a different perspective on life.
the people who lived i those days are probably feeling very tired too.
I think a lot of people are starting to wake up again now. There's a lot of cultural movements like freeconomy projects and the like.
I'm not sure with regards to transgender people though. I haven't been watching long enough to gauge the attitude of the general wider community.

StellaB

The first generation of pensioners with a bigger influence on teenage tastes in music than the music industry itself.
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Lesley_Roberta

Baby boomer here, I have often listened to people jump on the young and heap all sorts of scorn on them.

But lets take a different slant on the 'entitled' generation as we have come to know them.

Did they fight WW1 and WW2? Nope. They were not even the slightest vestige of an idea yet, as their parents were likely just children at the time.

My father went through the Depression the real one not the pathetic excuse depressions the economists like paint as being so bad. It scarred him to the point he simply couldn't comprehend the point of going for a drive with the family for the purpose of a lunch out at someplace NOT a fast food store. He just never got to live as a youth where food could be taken lightly. He was working at 16, not so that he could afford to buy gaming equipment or go to college. Nope, he was supporting his mother. He had no youth really, he graduated to adult at 16.

My mom knew what it was like to worry if her dad would come home from the war. Not a war that was on the news every evening, not a side show political event like Iraq was or Afghanistan, but a global world war where millions were dying and whole countries destroyed.

I grew up in the shadow of WW2, the cold war, what a wonderful time it was, never knowing if there would be a world next year. It was a time of great unrest and great change and great events. But as awesome as walking on the moon was, it was still a world full of nerve wracking worry. Korea and then Vietnam, and then all the other events, Cuba, all of the central American wars. East vs West was everywhere in my youth. I recall watching the Gulf war and too me it was no more than dinner theatre. Sorry, but it doesn't compare with real wars. A mouth piece named Saddam, who had lost worth to the people that created him, had to be put down by force. Many men died thanks to that decision, but today we mourn each individual as a news item, back in WW2, men dropped in tens of thousands some months at places like Omaha, and Tarawa and Stalingrad and Salerno. And then Afghanistan and we seem to have forgotten the men we are fighting, we put them there too. And all the men that have died trying to fix something we actually created to begin with. My youth was spent surrounded by the results of the previous horrible wars, my later years are being spent watching the results of pointless wars.

So much of what is wrong with the world, was made my my grand father's generation, put into motion by his father's generation, and then the machine was run during my generation. That there is even a world still here is incredible. My generation though is responsible for the massive exploitation that resulted from the innovation of my parents generation. That exploitation has created the marketplace that exists today.

My son is not responsible for the automobile domination of our planet. And he is barely old enough to drive one. He is not responsible for the pollution that has been created by all of the industrialization created by my parents generation that is being exploited by my generation. My son is not responsible for the water loss due to corporate greed, the forest loss due to corporate greed and all the other forms of environmental harm. He isn't scarfing down burgers on the way to the office or work by some other name. He is not the one responsible for urban blight, nor the creep of suburban rape of farmland. That is a combination of my parents and my generation.

My son has arrived to a ransacked world, that has been fought over, and despoiled, and abused and polluted and slowly going climatically insane. The jobs have almost dried up, the debt load is getting grossly irresponsible, the internet and gaming have provided us a means to hide from each other, but it wasn't my son's generation that created the internet, he merely likes using it. I don't actually feel very good about the shape of the world that I am leaving to my son.

They call them the entitled generation. Sadly, I think they are indeed entitled, but rather than dump on them for being seemingly spoiled by so much consumerism, I think they are entitled to an apology. Because, they very likely will be inheriting a world that is bankrupt and out of luck and out of time. If the glaciers are any indication, the clock might be ticking to a very dangerous time.

My advice to anyone under 20. Grab what you can, smile and enjoy it while you can, because, you might not have a lot of time left.
The bill is about due, and it looks like none of my parents are going to pay the bill off and I can't say that my generation wishes to, and the generation between me and my son, the 30 somethings, I am not sure they realize the situation they are in. Stop assuming your retirement plans are going to happen, I am not sure mine will either. They are already unsure my parents will have enough.
Well being TG is no treat, but becoming separated has sure caused me more trouble that being TG ever will be. So if I post, consider it me trying to distract myself from being lonely, not my needing to discuss being TG. I don't want to be separated a lot more than not wanting to be male looking.
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DriftingCrow

Quote from: Cindy on August 03, 2013, 06:38:35 AM
What happened to my generation? What do the young ones think?

Spare no pain

I think it's hard to talk for an entire generation. [and, my view is from an American background]

Some people of your generation seemed far ahead of their time. I know people your age Cindy and older who are amazingly accepting of all people regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religion, or LGBT status. They don't scorn younger people as being spoiled, ungrateful etc. I have quite a few older friends, either on here or IRL, who's opinions I highly respect, who I feel comfortable going to for great advice, and who I know are accepting and loving people.

While I think some people my age (I am 25) and younger are spoiled and ungrateful, not everyone is -- also, people have to make do with what's given them, people fit into what is molded around them and if kids were molded into consumerism and selfishness from a very young age, what on earth do we expect? It was the older generation that put the ads for junk food, toys, clothes, etc. on TV during cartoon hour, it was the older generation who didn't want to pay higher taxes to support education, it was the older people with money who fled the cities to go live in the suburbs (yet continued to work in the cities and use city resources) that left a money vacuum in urban areas which left poorer, mostly minority children behind with decaying schools and infrastructure. I think if children were better educated, we wouldn't have so much ignorance about the struggles of our ancestors and would have a greater appreciation for what we have today.

Others in your generation seem a little two-faced sometimes, they appear liberal and accepting, they listen to "hippie music" that talks about love and acceptance, but then say gays shouldn't get married, that "towel heads" should go back to Baghdad, etc. There's only love and peace for what's familiar, they don't want to "expand their minds" anymore. I deal with a lot of older people in my day-to-day life, and I often find that it's better if I just say nothing at all, because it's a waste of breath to try to explain something to make them less ignorant. They just often assume that I am young, inexperienced, and that one day I'll think just the way they do. There's very few older people that I can have a discussion with without enduring the "I am older and smarter, you're younger and stupid" condescending attitude. While I do highly value wisdom that comes from experience, I can't accept that they're always right.
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aleon515

You mean boomers Cindy, I'm guessing you are a boomer. I am a boomer, and  I have thought about this one a lot too. I might do a vlog about it sometime, but I do have many YOUNG subscribers. Anyway I am thinking that the generation and attitudes with the liberal attitudes and so on were much in the minority. That 95% of the kids did not involve themselves in campus politics and the whole civil rights, etc. stuff. That they were mostly pretty happy to follow along. It would be interesting to compare what happened. Some of my friends (some of my best friends?) are boomers and 99% are fine with my transition.  But back then,  gender, we didn't talk about it. It was probably the ONLY topic I didn't talk about back then. I think I didn't have the vocabulary. I was active in the politics of my generation (civil rights, the women's movement, etc.) and I still didn't know about gender in that sense.

LH, I think you have to separate those who listened to music (everybody listens to music) and the haters. My current friends are just as liberal as your's but they do probably represent somewhat of a small segment of the population of boomers. I was at some group a couple weeks ago and found these 60-70 year olds in activism of various causes. We did exist but the population who did was tiny. The period of music is interesting, representing some kind of renaissance of brilliance in music-- I don't know.

BTW, have run into quite a number of young trans kids whose parents have to one extent or another rejected them, but whose grandparents are all down with it. I am just guessing they got the luck of the draw with grandparents who were part of the smaller percentage.


--Jay
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Cindy

Quote from: LearnedHand on August 03, 2013, 11:33:37 AM
I think it's hard to talk for an entire generation. [and, my view is from an American background]

Some people of your generation seemed far ahead of their time. I know people your age Cindy and older who are amazingly accepting of all people regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religion, or LGBT status. They don't scorn younger people as being spoiled, ungrateful etc. I have quite a few older friends, either on here or IRL, who's opinions I highly respect, who I feel comfortable going to for great advice, and who I know are accepting and loving people.

While I think some people my age (I am 25) and younger are spoiled and ungrateful, not everyone is -- also, people have to make do with what's given them, people fit into what is molded around them and if kids were molded into consumerism and selfishness from a very young age, what on earth do we expect? It was the older generation that put the ads for junk food, toys, clothes, etc. on TV during cartoon hour, it was the older generation who didn't want to pay higher taxes to support education, it was the older people with money who fled the cities to go live in the suburbs (yet continued to work in the cities and use city resources) that left a money vacuum in urban areas which left poorer, mostly minority children behind with decaying schools and infrastructure. I think if children were better educated, we wouldn't have so much ignorance about the struggles of our ancestors and would have a greater appreciation for what we have today.

Others in your generation seem a little two-faced sometimes, they appear liberal and accepting, they listen to "hippie music" that talks about love and acceptance, but then say gays shouldn't get married, that "towel heads" should go back to Baghdad, etc. There's only love and peace for what's familiar, they don't want to "expand their minds" anymore. I deal with a lot of older people in my day-to-day life, and I often find that it's better if I just say nothing at all, because it's a waste of breath to try to explain something to make them less ignorant. They just often assume that I am young, inexperienced, and that one day I'll think just the way they do. There's very few older people that I can have a discussion with without enduring the "I am older and smarter, you're younger and stupid" condescending attitude. While I do highly value wisdom that comes from experience, I can't accept that they're always right.

Oooh nice reply, painful but a nice reply.

I so remember the walks and campaigns to 'change the world' only to find the corrupt and greedy don't want to change anything. But now no one walks the streets to stop the war in  --name the country-- help the "people" (insert any word or expression of any group who are victimised). Yes we are older, are we wiser? No.

The young do not seem to want to face the acceptance of people 'we' fought for - and lost ? - I so feel the 'raghead' comment. Acceptance is such an easy way to overcome hatred, and why do people hate anyway? Is it easier to hate than to love?

'I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth' still hits me as a great line. But did anyone notice? Did anyone change? Or did we just teach our kids to expect more privilege.   

I think my generation have failed to deliver the goods. But I'm not seeing the next one willing to take the task on.

Just musing

Cindy
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DriftingCrow

I agree Cindy that the younger generation needs to start doing something beneficial for the world. There are some activists, but it seems like the majority of younger people are too self-absorbed to care what's going on around them. I think I am lucky to be my age and not any younger, because I often feel as if I was right on the cusp of being in the "facebook generation". I don't have a FB for my birthname, I grew up without a computer, I only recently got a smartphone, and so on; so I often have trouble communicating with those who are younger than me who grew up on myspace and facebook, etc.

I really want people my age and younger to start noticing the world and appreciating things. If I ask some people my age or younger about their opinions on boycotting Bangladeshi clothes, or their feelings on Kashmir, most likely they'll have no opinions and look at me like I have two heads. I really can't even talk to my younger siblings (aged 17-20) unless it's about pop culture or if I just keep my mouth shut and listen to their pathetic rants about how my dad is so mean because he didn't give them any money to go out with friends ( ::) I can't understand why they don't have jobs and aren't even looking for jobs). Some of the "activists" movements I see that's pushed on my generation or those younger, seem quite false and it's all about consumerism instead of "the cause" (like, those "Be Green" t-shirts I see sold at Wal-Mart that are made with unenvironmentally friendly dyes and produced in a sweatshop). Luckily, I have seem some rays of hope in my generation and those younger than me. I've seen some teenage girls start a charity to send shoes to people in Jamaica after that tragic earthquake hit, and some kid in middle school down in FL raise money for homeless teens by walking from FL to Washington DC and sleeping in homeless shelters on his walk up.

No matter what age you are, when you were born, where you were born, there's always those who are hateful losers, and those who are decent human beings.  :)

Quote from: aleon515 on August 03, 2013, 12:13:53 PM
LH, I think you have to separate those who listened to music (everybody listens to music) and the haters. My current friends are just as liberal as your's but they do probably represent somewhat of a small segment of the population of boomers. I was at some group a couple weeks ago and found these 60-70 year olds in activism of various causes. We did exist but the population who did was tiny. The period of music is interesting, representing some kind of renaissance of brilliance in music-- I don't know.

I didn't quite mean music as in just listening to music. I meant more of people of think they're part of the movement towards acceptance and the other stuff that came out of the 60s and 70s. From what I've read and heard about the 60s and 70s, the hippie movement was small, and even among the hippies there were quite a lot of haters. It's just nowadays, I see people in their 50s, 60s, and 70s, who claim to be "hippies" or who espouse ideals of peace and love, but are actually quite blind to their own hatred and ignorance.
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Amelia Pond

So I take it that I'm the only one that saw this post and simply thought "hey, I love that song":icon_redface:

Amy
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: Amelia Pond on August 03, 2013, 01:43:39 PM
So I take it that I'm the only one that saw this post and simply thought "hey, I love that song":icon_redface:

Amy

I didn't click on the link at first, because I knew what song she was talking about... ???

"My generation", in my thinking, are those who were between 15-30 between the years 1960--1975, so born between 1930 and 1960...a little off-kilter for "the baby boomers", but for whom the social revolutions of the 60's were "The happening." (Nods toward the Fifth Dimension) I just missed this parameter, although technically I am a boomer, I never identified as one of them...their shallowness and self-centered-ness sickened me.

Personally, I hope for the day when a great famine or disease or some other global catastrophe decimates the world's (human) population. Most people (likely including myself) are little more than a drain to the Earth; we take and take and take, yet do nothing to stop our taking...

A lot of people seem to think we can destroy the Earth herself; talk about arrogance! Except for a major, full-on nuclear war, we can't destroy her. Yes, life would be unlivable for a time...but even if it is a million years, the planet and its life will rebound...just without the animal known as "humans."

We need to evolve beyond the greedy, self-important species we are...not everyone deserves to live, just because they are breathing. 7 billion people, and foreseeable projections to 25 billion? Oh. My. Gawd. The only real questions now are, "How should 5 billion people die? And who/what should do the choosing?"

And btw, I *am* an optimist at heart. You don't want to see my pessimistic mood...
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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SaveMeJeebus

Quote from: Amelia Pond on August 03, 2013, 01:43:39 PM
So I take it that I'm the only one that saw this post and simply thought "hey, I love that song":icon_redface:

Amy

You were not. I was going to say i love this song, but upon re-reading, i realized there was some question be asked   :-X
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aleon515


>I agree Cindy that the younger generation needs to start doing something beneficial for the world. There are some activists, but it seems like the majority of younger people are too self-absorbed to care what's going on around them.


I actually think that's true of all generations. YOu know my parents generation is "the greatest generation". Not all of them were so great, tbh.

>I really want people my age and younger to start noticing the world and appreciating things.

I actually think some of them are. It's just it's a small percentage.

>No matter what age you are, when you were born, where you were born, there's always those who are hateful losers, and those who are decent human beings.  :)

Well that's the truth!!!

>I didn't quite mean music as in just listening to music. I meant more of people of think they're part of the movement towards acceptance and the other stuff that came out of the 60s and 70s. From what I've read and heard about the 60s and 70s, the hippie movement was small, and even among the hippies there were quite a lot of haters. It's just nowadays, I see people in their 50s, 60s, and 70s, who claim to be "hippies" or who espouse ideals of peace and love, but are actually quite blind to their own hatred and ignorance.


Well I think there is that tendency. The music was so good and rather on the messagey side in some cases. But that's not all that different than other generations, to sort of hang on the edges and claim stuff that doesn't really belong to you. Also a lot of hippies really were just doing it for the drugs, free love, and rock and roll.


BTW, interesting discussion.

--Jay
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Cindy on August 03, 2013, 12:15:27 PM
I think my generation have failed to deliver the goods. But I'm not seeing the next one willing to take the task on.

This is a bit of a simplification, don't you think.

Each generation has brought about changes. When I was a kid in America, black and white people did not have a right to marry each other, women faced widespread discrimination, and people were jailed, jailed, for being gay. Almost no one had heard the words "pollution" or "conservation". The world has taken giant leaps since then. I see goods delivered a plenty.

The younger generation has made acceptance of sexual and gender minorities commonplace. But the widespread unhappiness that gripped the world in the decades after World War 2 has been salved. There's still racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc., but its proponents need to stay in the shadows. Even homophobes are finding fewer and fewer venues. So I think that the type of unhappiness that sparked the change we've seen from previous generations is no longer as evident or at the forefront.

It's been replaced, however, by an economic complacency that I don't fully understand. The internet and globalization has placed the wealth and control of our world into the hands of very few. Not necessarily a problem, but I wonder whether those folks are using some of their influence to tilt the governmental and regulatory environment in their favor. It seems like control of the media by the powerful make such questions very hard to ask, and the flexibility of youtube and google make it easy to shut out messages that make people uncomfortable. Feel-good media make it so many people maybe don't fully understand what needs changing in the world.

I know I don't.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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aleon515

I agree with Suzi here. WE have a LOT to do before we assume that any single generation didn't deliver. I also think it is a lot to lay on a generation-- systemic racism, agism, sexism, homo and trans phobia based on decades and even centuries of many different factors.

--Jay
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StellaB

Coming back I feel I can come back with another song, this one by Bob Dylan, because it saves me so many keystrokes because I feel Bob Dylan says it so much better and it applies to so many people especially in the West.



'Like A Rolling Stone'

Once upon a time you dressed so fine
Threw the bums a dime in your prime
Didn't you?
People'd call say beware doll
You're bound to fall you thought they were all
A kidding you
You used to laugh about everybody that was hanging out
Now you don't talk so loud, now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging your next meal

How does it feel?
How does it feel?
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live out on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
A complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

You never turned around to see the frowns
On the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

Oh princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're all drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all precious gifts
But you'd better take your diamond ring,
You'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?
"The truth within me is more than the reality which surrounds me."
Constantin Stanislavski

Mistakes not only provide opportunities for learning but also make good stories.
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