I find it very hard to find these specific features talked about here after being on t. i am pre t. but i am curious as to how these changed on you all.

hands: do your hands grow? what changes have you noticed in your hands?

nose: again how did this change? did it get bigger? or more angled? more hair?

feet: how did these change? wider? longer?

neck: did you get an adams apple or more defined neck? how about the collar area? longer shorter? idk..

a variety of other places:
calves/legs
forearms/arms/shoulders
proportions ( ie, leg to torso length)

we talk plenty about voice changes and hair growth and the possibility of getting taller, but, im just curious to see what other parts of you did you notice big change. feel free to share.

Most guys take T after growth plates are fused.  Unfortunately, females go through growth spurt before males and this process is complete at an average of 14-15 years.  Some females can go up to 21 but that's exceptionally rare.

So in terms of any bones growing it's rare and shouldn't be banked on.

Hands: don't generally change size, but females have more subcutaneous fat in skin. On T the skin thins out. So veins and bones become more prominent and this can actually give the effect of bigger hands.

Nose: more hair but other than skin thinning out, not a lot of difference. General shape remains.

Feet: often grow but not because of bones, more because of muscles. So there's a chance of longer and wider (mine are half a size bigger already).

Neck: younger you are, more chance of Adam's apple, but later, it gets rarer but still can happen. Neck can't get longer but can grow thicker if you work out and get the muscles.

Calves/legs/arms/shoulders: more muscular but ONLY if you work for it.

Leg to torso length won't change.

alright, that's cool.

i ask because i see such a wide variety of transforamtions, it's different for everyone i know XD  i see some who take t and they claim to grow a couple inches when they are near their 30's and some that really don't get too many changes, just thought it would be cool to hear what changes you've all gone through personally.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AMhands: do your hands grow? what changes have you noticed in your hands?

No - I have taken photos of my hands from just before starting T to now (almost 2 years on T).  No difference.  I sometimes think that my fingers may have become fatter, but then that may be dependent on the warm weather vs. cold weather.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AMnose: again how did this change? did it get bigger? or more angled? more hair?

My nose hair has gotten longer, but my nose itself doesn't seem to have changed at all.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AMfeet: how did these change? wider? longer?

No noticeable changes in my feet.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AMneck: did you get an adams apple or more defined neck? how about the collar area? longer shorter? idk..

My neck is a little wider/thicker than before starting T - it doesn't look skinny anymore, but I can't see an adam's apple.  I don't really know what you mean about the collar area.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AMcalves/legs

Calves are more defined with larger muscles (I don't "work out" at a gym at all).

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AMforearms/arms/shoulders

My arms are more defined - I have muscle growth in my traps and upper shoulders.  My forearms are slightly thicker and my biceps have thickened.  I would probably call it "leaning up" vs. "bulking", but there has been a gain in muscle to some degree, that is certain.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AMproportions ( ie, leg to torso length)

Well, my spine hasn't grown, but then again I am 34 years old - so no, my torso isn't going to change sizes.  My fat redistribution/muscle gain has changed my body shape from an hourglass to more of a rectangle now.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 05:54:42 AM
alright, that's cool.

i ask because i see such a wide variety of transforamtions, it's different for everyone i know XD  i see some who take t and they claim to grow a couple inches when they are near their 30's and some that really don't get too many changes, just thought it would be cool to hear what changes you've all gone through personally.

People in their 30s don't really grow in the typical sense. Their bones can't grow. What tends to happen is that muscle in feet and around spinal region improves alone with them walking taller (especially post top surgery) and they appear to gain a little height via those means. Couple of inches is kinda pushing it though unless you had piss poor posture pre-T.

hands: They've started to thin out due to fat redistribution but no growth.

nose: Mine got a remarkably wider but no change in length.

feet: I've lost some fat in them but always had a large foot with no change in shoe size.

neck: Same as before.

calves/legs: Always had large calf muscles. Main thing that helps with masculinity is my legs are now fully covered in hair up to my torso.

forearms/arms/shoulders: Shoulders are broader. Had to get rid of some shirts because they were tight around the shoulders.

proportions ( ie, leg to torso length): I've always had a longer torso and shorter legs. Nothing has changed there.

I will be 8 months on T the 18th of this month. The most noticeable changes have been body hair (I'm wooly everywhere), my voice, and the widening of my nose really changed the overall look of my face. I also have a more prominent brow ridge. Other than that my hairline has receded at the temples and is starting to thin in the front (I'm about positive I'll be bald in ten years, maybe less). Maybe my hair is falling out of my head and just relocating everywhere else, lol. I will say the strangest thing for me was how my body hair grew in everywhere. There would be random really long hairs on my arms, eyebrows, etc and then everything else would grow and catch up with it.

I've been on T 3.5 months.

Hands: well, got way more veiny and they grew! Not sure how, all I know is that my wedding ring won't come off without some serious effort. Like, my finger joints are bigger (thicker tendons??). I dunno.

Nose: Same. Oilier.

Feet: Larger, maybe a half size. Shoes that were a perfect fit are now uncomfortable.

Neck: I've been measuring religiously, and my neck has gained 1.5" in circumference. The change is extremely noticeable and it has made my shirts look a lot better (esp. collared ones). I workout a lot, so this probably has more to do with that than just the T alone. Adams apple is noticeable now, wasn't before.

Calves/legs: no real change here for me, but as a distance runner and fairly dedicated workout junkie I have muscled legs.

Arms/shoulders: Way more buff. Again though...lots of exercise. Also my arms are really veiny now. I'm a fan.

Proportions: Don't think those have changed.

The fat loss has been interesting. Any fat I had right around my hips vanished completely. Also, I can see my abs! And I have sharper cheekbones, that's a more recent thing I've noticed. But, I still have a feminine shape to my inner/outer thighs and to a lesser degree, my butt. Not sure what that's about, I sort of expected the fat to slowly disappear from all those areas equally, but I guess it's going to leave on body part at a time...not sure about that.

Body hair has been really slow for me, which is funny because my dad is really hairy (but my brother is practically hairless, so...maybe I have more of my mom's genes being expressed here). Or maybe it's just too early. My legs are all that are hairy right now. That and some sideburns coming in. Aw yeah

Hairline hasn't changed at all. I even still have those annoying wispy hairs around the hairline that most females do. My dad is pretty much bald though, so it's only a matter of time (I'm guessing 15ish years).

I've been on T for about a year and a quarter, and the only one of these I've noticed much change in is my neck. It seems to be a tad bit thicker, and I have a little bit of an Adam's apple that I definitely didn't have pre T. I don't really work out much, though (I exercise, but not heavily or in ways that are known for building muscle quickly), so it's not like I've made a lot of effort to affect muscle/fat ratio changes.

Almost 6 months on T. (Time flies when you're having fun? It's been a wild ride.)

My hands have always been "veiny" but getting veins showing in forearm. When I got blood taken the last time the phlobotamist said that the veins were "hard to get into", which should make sense. Nobody has ever complained about that before. I also have almost no hair growth, except on my face, though I think my arms and have been hairier (but not visibly so, more to the touch), and also hmm the crack. I didn't really know hair grew there! I think I am growing hair where I had hair before. Not sure it is really an Adam's apple but my throat has a kind of more lump in it where one would be.

My face has changed shape really dramatically, but not as much in the rest of my body. I think the hips and butt have slimmed out a bit though.

--Jay

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
hands: do your hands grow? what changes have you noticed in your hands?

My hands look a little bigger, but they haven't actually grown. They lost some of the fat that was on them. The veins and tendons are a bit more pronounced.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
nose: again how did this change? did it get bigger? or more angled? more hair?

I think the tip of my nose may have dropped a tiny bit, no growing or anything, just making the angle a little less.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
feet: how did these change? wider? longer?

My feet are three sizes bigger than they were last year. I kind of want them to go up one more, just so I can have a better selection. I noticed that I tend to spread my toes more when I walk, which had made my shoes uncomfortable, so I wore them less. They started growing more after that, so I think most of the growth was just my feet fixing themselves after wearing too tight of shoes.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
neck: did you get an adams apple or more defined neck? how about the collar area? longer shorter? idk..

My neck is kind of weird. The circumference is the same, but it looks... firmer? It looks like it has grown, but it hasn't. I'm not really sure why. My clavicle is more defined, but I've lost quite a bit of weight, so I can't determine the cause of that one. My Adam's apple is starting to get definition, but for now it's only visible at certain angles.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
calves/legs

My calves and legs are getting leaner, but I've been loosing weight and walking more as well.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
forearms/arms/shoulders

Also been getting leaner, but might be for the same reasons.

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
proportions ( ie, leg to torso length)

My legs are still longer than my torso. That really shouldn't change...

Quote from: BeefxCake on August 11, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
I find it very hard to find these specific features talked about here after being on t. i am pre t. but i am curious as to how these changed on you all.

hands: do your hands grow? what changes have you noticed in your hands?

nose: again how did this change? did it get bigger? or more angled? more hair?

feet: how did these change? wider? longer?

neck: did you get an adams apple or more defined neck? how about the collar area? longer shorter? idk..

a variety of other places:
calves/legs
forearms/arms/shoulders
proportions ( ie, leg to torso length)

we talk plenty about voice changes and hair growth and the possibility of getting taller, but, im just curious to see what other parts of you did you notice big change. feel free to share.

Ive been on testosterone for 10 years

my hands didnt grow
my nose got wider
my feet didnt change
MY neck is more muscular
my arms and legs are more muscular

also @ soren, I was under the impression that you are attempting "natural transition" I think its fair to point that out to the original poster who seems to be asking about testoterone, and not GNC supplements.

Quote from: chuck on August 11, 2013, 05:57:26 PM


also @ soren, I was under the impression that you are attempting "natural transition" I think its fair to point that out to the original poster who seems to be asking about testosterone, and not GNC supplements.

So? I interpreted it to mean the effects of testosterone one the body, whether synthesized inside the body out outside. My changes were from an increase in testosterone, same as everyone else's. (And I don't even know what "GNC supplements" means)

Quote from: Soren on August 11, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
So? I interpreted it to mean the effects of testosterone one the body, whether synthesized inside the body out outside. My changes were from an increase in testosterone, same as everyone else's. (And I don't even know what "GNC supplements" means)

The OP was asking about people on T. Taking multiple supplements unregulated by the FDA in hopes that it will mimic the effects of synthetic hormones is not being on T. I believe that the supplements have a greater potential to cause bodily harm if used long term (and they do not create the same effects). Not busting your chops Soren. It's your life to live and transition however you see fit but all Chuck was saying is that the OP was looking for results of people on T.

Quote from: Si on August 11, 2013, 06:50:02 PM
The OP was asking about people on T. Taking multiple supplements unregulated by the FDA in hopes that it will mimic the effects of synthetic hormones is not being on T. I believe that the supplements have a greater potential to cause bodily harm if used long term (and they do not create the same effects). Not busting your chops Soren. It's your life to live and transition however you see fit but all Chuck was saying is that the OP was looking for results of people on T.

The ones I'm taking actually mimic PCOS and potentially menopause, but I understand what you're getting at. And I'm under the care of a doctor, and there have been no ill effects, in case you're worried.

Quote from: Soren on August 11, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
So? I interpreted it to mean the effects of testosterone one the body, whether synthesized inside the body out outside. My changes were from an increase in testosterone, same as everyone else's. (And I don't even know what "GNC supplements" means)

So I think it is innacurate to say your changes are the same as anyone elses. Also I have never heard of someone's foot growing three sizes due to testosterone, much less some over-the-counter supplements marketed towards people with testicles.  Again, I stand by my point that there is a huge difference between what youre doing, and what someoe taking injections/gel experiences. And I think it's important to point out that difference. I think your claims are quite extreme even if you were on injections so to hear you chalk them up to some tribulis and saw palmetto extract makes me quite skeptical about them.

Quote from: Soren on August 11, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
So? I interpreted it to mean the effects of testosterone on the body, whether synthesized inside the body out outside. My changes were from an increase in testosterone, same as everyone else's. (And I don't even know what "GNC supplements" means)

GNC is an abbreviation for "General Nutrition Center" - a chain of health food, nutrition, vitamin, supplement, health and fitness stores, primarily in the United States.  They sell supplements under their own brand name.

"Natural Transitioning" is a trademarked term, and the name of a book by Tristan Skye.  More information can be found on his website.  Discussions which relate to the trademarked information are not allowed on the site.

Any discussion of herbals needs to be on the HRT board.

Quote from: Jamie D on August 11, 2013, 09:06:57 PM
"Natural Transitioning" is a trademarked term, and the name of a book by Tristan Skye.

I feel inclined to mention that Tristan has taken Testosterone injections. I haven't talked to him in years and not sure if he is still on YT (don't think so) but he did have a video about why he decided to take synthetic T. Why? Because the supplements were not giving the desired results.

I mean come on...If there was a way to do this without the docs and the run around don't you think we'd all be on that route?

Quote from: chuck on August 11, 2013, 09:02:06 PM
So I think it is innacurate to say your changes are the same as anyone elses. Also I have never heard of someone's foot growing three sizes due to testosterone, much less some over-the-counter supplements marketed towards people with testicles.  Again, I stand by my point that there is a huge difference between what youre doing, and what someoe taking injections/gel experiences. And I think it's important to point out that difference. I think your claims are quite extreme even if you were on injections so to hear you chalk them up to some tribulis and saw palmetto extract makes me quite skeptical about them.

1. The same as in caused by an increase in androgens and respective cancellation of estrogenic effects.
2. I also mentioned that it could be from changing into properly sized shoes, instead of ones that were too small.
3. That's not what I'm doing at all, and such a thing would need to be on the HRT board. I was not the one who brought it up. (I also mentioned quite a bit of weight loss and exercise, along with better shoes.)
4. A mod already had to come in and change things on this board. Please don't try to restart this argument, it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
5. I'm not doing that "natural transition" tradmarked thing anyway.

Quote from: Soren on August 11, 2013, 09:33:30 PM
4. A mod already had to come in and change things on this board. Please don't try to restart this argument, it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

It does have to do with the topic because you're withholding truth from the OP.

We just ask that you refrain from commenting on "on T" threads since you're not on T. Simple! Let's move on from this nonsense!

Okay, we are going to put the personal differences aside.

No person's opportunity to post on this site should be limited by any other person, outside of a moderator or administrator.  As long as the comments are within the Terms of Service, they are fair game.

If doubtful or unsupported claims are being made, it is proper to challenge them.  But address the issue and avoid ad hominem attacks (which are against the rules).