Quote from: aleon515 on September 23, 2013, 10:45:24 PM
I think the gay straight alliance might have people who are trans or gender variant in some way. If you have an average size school, it's likely that there are other trans people. I taught in a middle school with 600+ kids and am pretty sure that I had trans or gender variant kids. Not sure they identified that way. But some of them will identify as gay for awhile. You might find some kindred spirits as well as people who would be interested in being an ally. The ones here do some cool activities as well, so you might get in on some activities.

The penis doesn't identify someone as a man. It identifies someone as having a male body without some kind of deficits. A man with a micropenis, a man with injures his penis in war, and a trans man are still men.


--Jay

Yea I get that, But I'm hear that last part plenty of times before

Quote from: broken. on September 23, 2013, 11:44:44 PM
Drama aside... sorry you're feeling like that Brandon *hugs* ... I think I know that feeling too...

Yea, It sucks

Quote from: Brandon on September 24, 2013, 05:55:00 AM

Yea I get that, But I'm hear that last part plenty of times before

Doesn't make it less true, mate. In fact, may make it MORE true.

I agree with Jack that you need to start with being more proactive. What's going to make you feel better and how do you get yourself there. I realize you're a minor, so maybe your goal is going to be "do really well in school so you can go to any school you want" or "graduate so I can go to college" or "get a part time job so I can start saving for stuff"  or whatever.  (Economic power means a lot in the US, or perhaps anywhere) I am mentoring a couple young guys your age and that's what I kind of work with with them.


--Jay

Quote from: aleon515 on September 24, 2013, 01:49:19 PM

Doesn't make it less true, mate. In fact, may make it MORE true.

I agree with Jack that you need to start with being more proactive. What's going to make you feel better and how do you get yourself there. I realize you're a minor, so maybe your goal is going to be "do really well in school so you can go to any school you want" or "graduate so I can go to college" or "get a part time job so I can start saving for stuff"  or whatever.  (Economic power means a lot in the US, or perhaps anywhere) I am mentoring a couple young guys your age and that's what I kind of work with with them.




--Jay

Well it's kinda hard to see it that way when I have to deal nasty ass cycles every month this is why It makes me feel stupid to call myself a guy, Guys sure and the hell don't have thoes

Quote from: ثنائية بين الجنسين on September 23, 2013, 08:59:53 PM
Right, Jehovah's Witnesses won't take donated blood, even if it will save their life.  That is sometimes a choice between life and death and they would be choosing death.  Being trans and not transitioning isn't deadly in itself.  You still have to make the choice to end your life.  If you believe that both transitioning and suicide are wrong and are going to condemn you, I have a lot of sympathy for you, but you might see it as God testing you.  Our life here on Earth is relatively short if you believe in eternal heaven and if that suffering may be the choice between eternal happiness and eternal damnation, then the right choice isn't so clear.

It is for this reason that I think that simplifying it as a choice between life and death on Earth is kind of ignorant

Pardon me, as someone who was raised J.W. I think it is quite offensive to make a general Statement like "J.W's wont accept donated blood". I think it's wise to avoid blanket statements when discussing religion.  I am sure you agree. *Excuse the off topic nature of my post please.

Quote from: chuck on September 24, 2013, 03:40:01 PM
Pardon me, as someone who was raised J.W. I think it is quite offensive to make a general Statement like "J.W's wont accept donated blood". I think it's wise to avoid blanket statements when discussing religion.  I am sure you agree. *Excuse the off topic nature of my post please.

Sorry, it was my understanding that it was part of being Jehovah's Witness.  I meant no offense.  Offending post has been modified.

Quote from: Brandon on September 24, 2013, 03:30:33 PM



Well it's kinda hard to see it that way when I have to deal nasty ass cycles every month this is why It makes me feel stupid to call myself a guy, Guys sure and the hell don't have thoes

You mean cis-gendered guys right? Because I am a guy and I still have to deal with that monthly problem as well. I know what it is like to be in your situation as do a lot of people who are posting on here and trying to help you. But, I also know that no matter how much good advice someone is given the first step has to start with them. Take those options that are available to you and see where they go. Maybe you wont find a very best friend in the GSA at your school but you never know unless you try. I hope you find yourself and the support you need.

Quote from: thatboyfresh on September 24, 2013, 07:47:05 PM
You mean cis-gendered guys right? Because I am a guy and I still have to deal with that monthly problem as well. I know what it is like to be in your situation as do a lot of people who are posting on here and trying to help you. But, I also know that no matter how much good advice someone is given the first step has to start with them. Take those options that are available to you and see where they go. Maybe you wont find a very best friend in the GSA at your school but you never know unless you try. I hope you find yourself and the support you need.

Yea cis guys,

Those monthly messes get to me every month, no guy would ever accept bleeding monthly that they couldn't control.

How about thinking of it another way? Cis guys don't have to deal with what we do. They don't know the pain and misery of bleeding, the constant reminder of a body that is betraying your mind, the battle with society to be accepted. Do you think the fact that every day you have to fight and to overcome so many obstacles to be the man you are makes you LESS of a man? The fact you grew up at odds with your body before realising why (I know this is a generalised thing and not everybody is/was this way). The fact that YOU realised you were a man despite that society says you were female makes you less of a man than someone who had it handed to them on a plate, never having to have the same self-discovery that trans people go through? I'd say that makes someone MORE of a man. 

Quote from: MaximmusFlavius on September 25, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
How about thinking of it another way? Cis guys don't have to deal with what we do. They don't know the pain and misery of bleeding, the constant reminder of a body that is betraying your mind, the battle with society to be accepted. Do you think the fact that every day you have to fight and to overcome so many obstacles to be the man you are makes you LESS of a man? The fact you grew up at odds with your body before realising why (I know this is a generalised thing and not everybody is/was this way). The fact that YOU realised you were a man despite that society says you were female makes you less of a man than someone who had it handed to them on a plate, never having to have the same self-discovery that trans people go through? I'd say that makes





someone MORE of a man.

I see it that way but know one else will because at the end of the day I'm still stuck with a horrible female body

Quote from: androidnick on September 25, 2013, 03:34:32 PM
My fiancee has never seen me as a woman. And she had seen all of me. You are young. Haven't met everyone in the world as of yet. Don't assume. And according to you, you pass. Brandon just stop, think, no more complaining. And TRY to find some shred of happiness in the world. When you focus on the bad you'll only ever see the bad.

So you aspect me to look at my body everyday and try and be happy with it, You aspect to not get fustrated every day when looking at other guys, You fail to realize I'm still young your older your getting ready to get married so of course you
can say that know

Quote from: MaximmusFlavius on September 25, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
How about thinking of it another way? Cis guys don't have to deal with what we do. They don't know the pain and misery of bleeding, the constant reminder of a body that is betraying your mind, the battle with society to be accepted. Do you think the fact that every day you have to fight and to overcome so many obstacles to be the man you are makes you LESS of a man? The fact you grew up at odds with your body before realising why (I know this is a generalised thing and not everybody is/was this way). The fact that YOU realised you were a man despite that society says you were female makes you less of a man than someone who had it handed to them on a plate, never having to have the same self-discovery that trans people go through? I'd say that makes someone MORE of a man.

And honestly how you worded that made me feel like I'm not guy at all even though I know that wasn't your intention

Quote from: androidnick on September 25, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
Lol that does it for me. Brandon what you need isn't T. It is a big fat dose of grow the hell up. This person made a frekin AMAZING point. But you go and take it like that? Whatever

Android- perfectly stated.

Quote from: androidnick on September 25, 2013, 03:46:38 PM
Lol Jesus Christ. You think I look at my body every day and don't get frustrated? Or maybe because I'm older I fail to notice cis male bodies? Trust me Brandon EVERYONE on this site knows you are young. Which is why we tolerate a lot and have tried to help you. Just because I'm moving on with my life and have a fiancee doesn't mean my life somehow magically got better, there is no dysphoria. Seriously this is why people here are rubbed the wrong way Brandon. You really seem to just want to complain/troll/idk what else.

You misread what I said, You know theirs one thing my mom always told me, Help yourself before you can help someone else, Your still dysphoric you haven't even helped yourself yet maybe that's why th advice you have given hasn't worked for me in this thread, But you have been in other ones, I'm not tryin to troll, Over the years my dysphoria has gotten worse, And as a religious guy I'm filled with anger and rage because I'm still trying to figure out why God couldn't have done something about like be blessed with a male body instead of it just making me stronger, I'm honestly am trying to find some type of happiness in all of this, I think if more cis people accepted me and seen me as male maybe I wouldn't be that upset

Quote from: androidnick on September 25, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
Lol that does it for me. Brandon what you need isn't T. It is a big fat dose of grow the hell up. This person made a frekin AMAZING point. But you go and take it like that? Whatever

Bro you need to chill out, I was just saying

You should just distract yourself by focusing on getting an education. That will help you transition because more opportunities for jobs will be open to you, you can get away faster and move further, and sound clearer when discussing your feelings with your therapist (once you get a gender therapist). Just focus on your studies the best you can, it's possible, just buckle down and study.

You said you wanted to go to college, but the work to get there starts now. (Put the word "aspect" in dictionary.com for starters ).  This is the first step in your transition, use your school resources, stuff on YouTube, etc.

As beingsomeone who is probably a decade older than you, I can say that it is possible focus on school because it's harder to save up for transition when you have a dead end job. You seem to think all us older members are unable to relate to you, that you are somehow different from us. The only thing that makes you different is that you lack the wealth of experience we have. You come for advice, but don't want to listen to our experiences.

Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:58:45 PM

You misread what I said, You know theirs one thing my mom always told me, Help yourself before you can help someone else, Your still dysphoric you haven't even helped yourself yet maybe that's why th advice you have given hasn't worked for me in this thread, But you have been in other ones, I'm not tryin to troll, Over the years my dysphoria has gotten worse, And as a religious guy I'm filled with anger and rage because I'm still trying to figure out why God couldn't have done something about like be blessed with a male body instead of it just making me stronger, I'm honestly am trying to find some type of happiness in all of this, I think if more cis people accepted me and seen me as male maybe I wouldn't be that upset

Brandon. Try to stop just for second. Stop being defensive and listen (I know it's hard, I can be defensive too) Think about what you are doing. You argue with almost every single post. Even the post above is an example you arguing about why you argue. Calm down, take a deep a breath and consider that the people you're (you are) asking advice from might be trying to help you. By the way, I am ten years on T, post phalloplasty and there are times i still dysphoric (Pretty rare I must admit, but it still happens). If you want advice, ask for it. If you want to rant and complain (that's okay too!) but tell us that you just want to complain. Then people will know that you are expecting empathy/sympathy/understanding and not advice. Life is hard, yes. But we move beyond it by learning. You need to consider the option that you might be wrong. 

Quote from: Brandon on September 25, 2013, 03:58:45 PM

You misread what I said, You know theirs one thing my mom always told me, Help yourself before you can help someone else, Your still dysphoric you haven't even helped yourself yet maybe that's why th advice you have given hasn't worked for me in this thread, But you have been in other ones, I'm not tryin to troll, Over the years my dysphoria has gotten worse, And as a religious guy I'm filled with anger and rage because I'm still trying to figure out why God couldn't have done something about like be blessed with a male body instead of it just making me stronger, I'm honestly am trying to find some type of happiness in all of this, I think if more cis people accepted me and seen me as male maybe I wouldn't be that upset

Lol, you're in the wrong place to come for support if you think people who still have dysphoria can't help you.

As a religious person myself (Sikh not Christin) I have to say your anger is in the wrong place. God won't help you if you don't  appreciate the good in your life. Find a different religion if it isn't working for you. God doesn't put you here to have a perfect life, you were born faab for a reason, maybe there was a lesson for you to learn. Either way, anger doesn't fix anything, moving on does.

Let's all take a breather.  Thanks.