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The loss of physical strength – my accident

Started by warlockmaker, October 17, 2013, 03:34:10 AM

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warlockmaker

 
I have been on HRT for over 7 months and I have maintained my daily exercise and stretch program and also cross training in the health club. So I didn't think I had lost my strength.  Last weekend I went rock climbing, I had done this before with a lady friend in the same age group and I had always been the fitter and stronger. Rock climbing requires strength and fitness matching your body weight and I knew soon after I started that it was different this time and I struggled. Well I had a slight fall and as my strength failed and had to have 7 fine stitches on the side of my brow. Spoke to my GP and therapist and both recommend that I not do this anymore. They tell me that I will have more female type muscle development as time move on and to take it easy. Does anyone know anything about this?
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

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EmmaS

The first time I tried to transition and I was on hormones for over 5 months I noticed a huge loss of muscle even though I continued to play sports regularly. I also noticed weight loss when I was transitioning, which could account for that muscle too.
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Northern Jane

That's the nature of things my dear! You will have to train all over again to get some of your strength back but don't feel too bad - I got my clock cleaned by a GG (in a playful wrestling match) after only a couple years on HRT.  :o
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Alainaluvsu

What I've heard about this is that with the less testosterone you have in your body, the more that is required to maintain muscle bulk.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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kathyk

Because of lower muscle mass I can't carry 80 pound sacks of concrete anymore, when it was a breeze last year.  Found this out the hard way by doing the exact same work as last summer, then somehow injuring the sciatic nerve.  Incredible pain and I'm down and out for at least a week.   So there's a half done job that has to be finished before it snows - even if there's pain.   ???





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Elainagirl59

Women shouldn't climb ..... Sheesh sexist much?

How do you deal?  Learn to use your large muscles not the small
Muscles..... 

You can't pull yourself up the wall with you arms.  You need to replace strength
with technique.  Balance, footwork, the things that all girls (truly, any climber that wants to
Really climb well)must learn....

This quote is from a basic tips for beginning climbers

"Most beginners, certainly men, are terrible at using their feet well, and some never learn how. The key to improvement is usually seeing someone who is very, very good climbing: if you watch them getting up something where you can't even see what they're standing on, you quickly realise that footwork can make a very big difference.

Fact: the difference between ordinary climbers and top climbers is footwork, not big arms."

This quote is from an an article about teaching women to climb:

"I like what you are saying, about climbing being different for everyone. For sure, climbing is different for EVERYONE, and not just based on gender. But I agree with you, that when starting out, climbing can seem frustrating for women, because upper body strength can cause immediate problems, especially in a climbing gym.
It's true that women naturally carry and create less upper body muscle than men. However, it's also true that strength to weight ratio is really what matters in climbing. Here's what I've noticed and pointed out to people, when teaching rock climbing. I've noticed that when people start climbing, if they happen to have a lot of upper body strength to begin with, they often don't need to learn precise footwork and body movement at first. So a plateau can happen relatively quickly, which can force them to back up a little. Conversely, when people start climbing and have less upper body strength, they have no choice but to work it more with footwork and balance. They won't see those instant results, but they will be developing the more important climbing skills from the start.
If you share this idea with the women in your class, you will be showing them a way to focus on the positive side of their experience with climbing, and they will really get motivated. They will no longer be annoyed when they watch someone muscle up a climb they can't do in those first few climbing sessions. Instead, they will notice how much footwork and body movement they are using to learn how to climb that route, and they will realize that when they do start to build upper body strength, they will be able to progress even more.
The big advantage for women is that when we start climbing, we don't tend to have as much natural muscle mass as men. So if we train, at all, the strength increase we build has dramatic results, which is always gratifying
I'm not sure how advanced your classes are. But I have had a few opportunities, when bouldering around with friends, to take beginner climbers off to the side and show them a few very basic things. Again, this is extremely basic, but I have consistently found that beginner climbers benefit a lot by a small demonstration of which part of the shoe to stand on, when using footholds. As experienced climbers, it becomes very natural to stand on the power point of your climbing shoe, the tip of your big toe, or the 2 inch zone of your climbing shoe between the big toe and the ball of your foot. However, for people who are wearing climbing shoes for the first few times, it's not so obvious. Showing people those parts of the shoes, even placing an empty shoe on footholds to illustrate those power spots, and then actually placing their foot on footholds correctly to demonstrate, always leads to immediate and huge improvements.
For the women who are more advanced, the best thing I was ever taught is the importance of stopping and resting, and training for recovery. This is something you can train for, and I learned it from a French friend of mine, Lise, who was an unbelievable endurance sport climber, the best I ever was privileged to climb with (now she is a yogi martial artist in India). She taught me to train on sport routes or climbing walls by climbing 5 to 15 moves, and then stopping on a jug and taking the time to shake out the arms, one after the other, for as long as it takes to de-pump. She always trained and climbed this way, and she could climb really impressive endurance routes, because she never had to be pumped when climbing into a crux, since she had always made sure to recover along the way, and she was always able to recover after the crux. Climbing this way is also very relaxing and reduces anxiety."

Just like so many other things that are discussed on this board, trans women
must learn the lessons that most women learn as they grow up.  A young girl who is given
opportunities to take dance classes, gymnastic classes learns to use her body in ways
that take advantage of her strengths.  Now you must learn to use your changing
body to the greatest advantage.

So who wants to go climbing?

Elaina


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Sammy

I used to do a cliff-hanging for a while and there was that young woman (she was the female champion of the country, btw) - small, subtle, but very fit and lean - she was faster and better at climbing than any other guy there :).
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vlmitchell

Yeah, I play derby. I still have a lot of power but the one thing you learn pretty quickly after transition is that, while you still might have a lot of muscle, it isn't as finely tuned as it once was and I have nowhere NEAR the strength I used to have so I have to rely on technique and form in pretty much everything while using mass and strength only sparingly and in control.

Estrogen flooded bodies also break down muscle a lot faster. T grows muscles just by being there so you get a baseline that's way higher than what you have now. You'd probably lose almost all your muscle with just a couple of months loafing. If I take a week off, I really REALLY feel it.
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Tessa James

Quote from: Elainagirl59 on October 17, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
Women shouldn't climb ..... Sheesh sexist much?

How do you deal? 

So who wants to go climbing?

Elaina

Right on Elaina,

I would love to climb with you, where?  Mt Hood is nearby.  I used to do spelunking as it somehow seemed easier with my fear of falling from heights.

It is a change we deal with and I like using the Egyptian pyramid building techniques;  Lots of help and leverage.

I like asking for help and living more cooperatively.  It seems we (in and after transition) are now not expected to "do it all."

And they rent me all kinds of fun heavy equipment, like track vehicles, for maintaining the farm and trails. 

We adapt!
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Pia Bianca

Quote from: Elainagirl59 on October 17, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
Women shouldn't climb ..... Sheesh sexist much?

I don't think this was the meaning. I'd read it as "don't climb now, wait for your muscles to change and train anew".
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Elainagirl59

Quote from: Pia Bianca on October 18, 2013, 05:47:08 AM
I don't think this was the meaning. I'd read it as "don't climb now, wait for your muscles to change and train anew".

Perhaps so...

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Elainagirl59

Quote from: Tessa James on October 17, 2013, 02:41:41 PM
Right on Elaina,

I would love to climb with you, where?  Mt Hood is nearby.  I used to do spelunking as it somehow seemed easier with my fear of falling from heights.

It is a change we deal with and I like using the Egyptian pyramid building techniques;  Lots of help and leverage.

I like asking for help and living more cooperatively.  It seems we (in and after transition) are now not expected to "do it all."

And they rent me all kinds of fun heavy equipment, like track vehicles, for maintaining the farm and trails. 

We adapt!

Hi Tessa,

I have always wanted to climb Mt Ranier.  After I read your post I
took a look at Mt Hood, that would be a good place to start.

I have been daydreaming for the last few months about going Everest
Base Camp.  I really need to get off the couch to make that happen!

I spent a lot of time spelunking during college.  I always loved the
"clandestine" aspect of it. Sneaking off in the middle of the night, crawling
down a little hole, and disappearing from "the face of the earth."

Best wishes,
Elaina
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sarahb

Well, if what they actually said was "Don't do this anymore" then I would say screw that! I climb myself, have for a couple of years, and I would say you just need to get familiar with your body again as progress with HRT. Make sure you don't overextend yourself. Who knows, you may realize a different skill set on the rock with the changes in your body.

Rock climbing is all about being finely in tune with your body and knowing how you attack a problem. Being still relatively early with regard to HRT you're going to go through a lot of changes, so you just need to pay attention to how your body changes and adjust appropriately.
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Tessa James

Quote from: Elainagirl59 on October 18, 2013, 11:28:03 AM
Hi Tessa,

I have always wanted to climb Mt Ranier.  After I read your post I
took a look at Mt Hood, that would be a good place to start.

I have been daydreaming for the last few months about going Everest
Base Camp.  I really need to get off the couch to make that happen!

I spent a lot of time spelunking during college.  I always loved the
"clandestine" aspect of it. Sneaking off in the middle of the night, crawling
down a little hole, and disappearing from "the face of the earth."

Best wishes,
Elaina

Hey Elaina,

I'm not even close to the Mazama category of climbing.  My top peak summit was our Saddle Mountain at 3200 ft.  No crampons seem to fit my new high heels either. ;)

My friends that have summited Hood and Rainier tell me Mt Hood is mostly a walk up for the first 9,000 ft. while Rainier requires the technical skills you obviously posses.

OMG Everest?  You are hot!  Mt St. Helens has fascinating lava tube caves that get us into the rock scramble with some cool skylight features.

Seriously, if you want a base camp supporter for the great NW count this girl in.

Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Kelly-087

Quote from: warlockmaker on October 17, 2013, 03:34:10 AM

I have been on HRT for over 7 months and I have maintained my daily exercise and stretch program and also cross training in the health club. So I didn't think I had lost my strength.  Last weekend I went rock climbing, I had done this before with a lady friend in the same age group and I had always been the fitter and stronger. Rock climbing requires strength and fitness matching your body weight and I knew soon after I started that it was different this time and I struggled. Well I had a slight fall and as my strength failed and had to have 7 fine stitches on the side of my brow. Spoke to my GP and therapist and both recommend that I not do this anymore. They tell me that I will have more female type muscle development as time move on and to take it easy. Does anyone know anything about this?

The only possible suggestion is to lose more body fat and increase your muscle tone.. I think we can get stuck at an inbetween, and need to be thinner as we go on to match the difference.. Because obviously there's women that can rock climb.
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