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FFS (DR. LAZARO CARDENAS) any feedback???

Started by Camille69, August 27, 2013, 01:55:08 AM

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Camille69

Hey ladies, so here i am planning to have an ffs in mexico for dr. lazaro cardenas. im talking to gisela now for the package and accomodations, im really confident about his work from what ive seen in youtube but i just recently saw this bad review of him

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g150798-i347-k4834600-Plastic_Surgery-Guadalajara_Guadalajara_Metropolitan_Area.html

any feedback, recommendations?
or any if u had gone there?

(nervous  :-\ and excited  :D )
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marilyn

I'm wondering about the brow reconstructive surgery by Cardenas if anyone's had it.. I mean the type III I think it's referred to..
;) "There is no ideal model for how my mind should be." ~Sheila Heti
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aibeecee

Wow...just wow.  :o

This is just shocking. I don't know what to think about it but as the post is pretty detailed, I think that in fact something must have gotten wrong big time.

Thanks for sharing!


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Evolving Beauty

Quote from: marilyn on September 05, 2013, 10:38:50 PM
I'm wondering about the brow reconstructive surgery by Cardenas if anyone's had it.. I mean the type III I think it's referred to..

I didn't hear he is bad but I heard he is not 'invasive' enough in with all concerning forehead/upper hemisphere of the face surgeries but perfect with everything related to the lower hemisphere of face, his wife I heard does perfect nose jobs.

Despite all that I'm risking myself and I'm going to operate with him my Type III forehead as I can't afford anywhere else, neither Thailand which is becoming extortionate too.

You girls need to ask Tristan who is the 'Cardenas symbol' of the forum, she also speaks about her experience in Youtube and filmed the place etc, it looked cool. I heard horror stories too but that was only 1 among 50 girls in the Trip Advisor site, just like any best surgeon, sometimes they make mistake too just as we heard of Suporn.

I advise you to delve into this thread which talks about Cardenas thoroughly.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,140175.0.html
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aibeecee

I found out that type III forehead reconstruction which involves removal of the frontal sinus plate is definitely used by Dr Bart in Belgium and Facial Team in Spain. What separates them from other surgeons:
They are cranio-maxillofacial surgeons and not facial plastic surgeons.

I think latter ones do not have the extensive training in cranial reconstruction and that type III surgery requires some advanced knowledge in this field.

Tony Mayer MD in Los Angeles doesn't do type III, too. Go to his website and take a look at the gallery. What he does is burring. On Realself dot com he also mentions that in most cases it wouldn't be indicated to do more than just burring.

Dr Bart and Facial Team say the opposite.

Dr Cardenas is a plastic surgeon, btw.


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Zumbagirl

Anyone who chooses a surgeon based off some feedback on the Internet is a complete fool. My advice is simple, get a face to face consultation with a surgeon you might be interested in even if it means having to buy a plane ticket. People should ask themselves if they trust someone they don't even know with their hard earned money for the purposes of some surgery. Its your own body and take really good care of it!

When I was transitioning I went to one of those TG events. Generally some of the surgeons show up and will give you a free consultation. So for one trip you can meet a bunch of surgeons in the flesh and meet with them in private and decide if they are for you or not.

Lastly I can only say this from my own direct personal experience, and who ever reads this can either ignore it or should expect to learn this for themselves. I have met in my lifetime 2 people, one who went to dr brassard and one who went to dr pichet in person and both gave very negative feedback. In my humble opinion, in both cases, the women involved were their own undoing and not the surgeon. I'm not saying that because I went to brassard either. I'm only saying that in that case, it was not surgical error but lousy patients.

People who leave negative feedback could be legitimate, or could have a personal vendetta or almost anything. There are people who bypassed or cheated the standards of care, people who have very real mental issues that they never handled, people with addiction problems, the list goes on and on, who managed to come up with the money for surgery, and they may or may not have been genuine cases who benefit from the surgery.

Treat the surgeon the way you would buying a car. Heck good surgery these days is as expensive as buying a new car in cash. You wouldn't mail your money to a shady car dealer and not know what you are getting. You would want to meet the person and decide for yourself if this is the right person for you. A surgeon is no different, in fact even more so since you can always trade in a bad car, but you have to live forever with bad surgery.
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Beth Andrea

The internet is a resource, just like any other resource...Some people can barely afford surgery, let alone traveling to diferent continents solely for the purpose of chatting FTF with a potential surgeon.

One can't compare surgeons with car salesmen...one takes years to become accredited and experienced, the other is one step away from flipping burgers. IMHO, all surgeons have a strong surgical skill set, or they wouldn't be practicing for very long. A surgeon-search could be compared to looking for a skilled tattoo artist: some artist's skill is more towards the "old school"/pre-WW2 style, others are superb with dragons, others are great for portraits, etc. The internet is a perfect time- and money-saving tool for this aspect of the search, as well as learning about lesser-known tat artists (or surgeons) who don't advertise.

Getting feedback about the practioners, and using this feedback in deciding who to go to, does not make one a "tool."

imho
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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CourtneyDarling

Cardenas and his team are talented and caring, the aftercare top notch, the prices affordable for many of us with out a bazillion dollars to spend in the states or elsewhere our community is lucky to have him and Cardenas has improved my quality of life since going to see him In the summer of 2012. I intend to go back for another cosmetic procedure early next year and wouldnt hesitate to have him do any other surgery for me.
Unlike Tristan my surgery took over a year to really reveal itself fully to me but he did a great job and my confidence is much much improved and I'm grateful to him. He, His wife.... his team... Tyler and the fellas at the aftercare house they are all a dream.
-Courtney
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Camille69

#8
Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 06, 2013, 06:56:42 PM
The internet is a resource, just like any other resource...Some people can barely afford surgery, let alone traveling to diferent continents solely for the purpose of chatting FTF with a potential surgeon.

One can't compare surgeons with car salesmen...one takes years to become accredited and experienced, the other is one step away from flipping burgers. IMHO, all surgeons have a strong surgical skill set, or they wouldn't be practicing for very long. A surgeon-search could be compared to looking for a skilled tattoo artist: some artist's skill is more towards the "old school"/pre-WW2 style, others are superb with dragons, others are great for portraits, etc. The internet is a perfect time- and money-saving tool for this aspect of the search, as well as learning about lesser-known tat artists (or surgeons) who don't advertise.

Getting feedback about the practioners, and using this feedback in deciding who to go to, does not make one a "tool."

imho
well first of all im very new to this kind of surgeries, and im superb curious bout this bad review of him if its true or not THAT'S WHY I MADE THIS THREAD HELLO???. and if u were just here to question my post then dont even bother to make a comment period.

BTW ladies im really confident about his work since i already seen some pics and vids, and i already talked to him thru email and he seems very kind and professional. im excited to meet him :P and im about to wire the required money deposit.
first week of october will be a good date for me yay im so excited..

will update u guys...

camille
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TearDrops

ad surgery with Dr Cardenas at the start of August. I have to wait for all the swelling to go down but from what I can see it looks promising. I am just hoping that he was not to conservative, which.... well I think he may have been, but I have to wait. I was very unsure as there has not been a great deal posted, so I went over there without booking anything and made an appointment to see the Doctor. After the appointment I was still unsure so I went to see Tyler at the recovery house. He said all the right things to make me confident in going ahead with surgery. I had forehead re¬contouring, hairline advancement, Rhinoplasty and tip reshaping, chin and ear reduction. I am sorry that I can not be any more help. Good luck. 
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: TearDrops on September 22, 2013, 06:34:29 PM
ad surgery with Dr Cardenas at the start of August. I have to wait for all the swelling to go down but from what I can see it looks promising. I am just hoping that he was not to conservative, which.... well I think he may have been, but I have to wait. I was very unsure as there has not been a great deal posted, so I went over there without booking anything and made an appointment to see the Doctor. After the appointment I was still unsure so I went to see Tyler at the recovery house. He said all the right things to make me confident in going ahead with surgery. I had forehead re¬contouring, hairline advancement, Rhinoplasty and tip reshaping, chin and ear reduction. I am sorry that I can not be any more help. Good luck.

So you just walked in? eta: Nevermind, I found your description here.

Also, it's been about 7 weeks, are you able to go back to work? How is the overall bruising and swelling at this point?
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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TearDrops

Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 22, 2013, 06:55:28 PM
So you just walked in? eta: Nevermind, I found your description here.

Also, it's been about 7 weeks, are you able to go back to work? How is the overall bruising and swelling at this point?

It looks as though it's going to take a long time for me to see the full results of my surgery because of the swelling. Tyler did tell me the story of the work he had done on his nose, he said it took a full year for all the swelling to completely go. I still have deep bruising around my eyes but kind of yellowish black. I had a headache for a few days after surgery (to be expected), and was relieved when that disappeared as I was fretting about a 'sinus headache', which I have read some people say has never subsided since having surgery, and is rather nasty. I started running and keeping fit again about two weeks ago, so about 5 weeks or so after surgery. I probably could have returned to work 2-3 weeks after surgery but because I am my own boss I will not start work until I think I look okay.
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TearDrops

Quote from: marilyn on September 05, 2013, 10:38:50 PM
I'm wondering about the brow reconstructive surgery by Cardenas if anyone's had it.. I mean the type III I think it's referred to..

I thought I might need a type III on my forehead as it was quite bad from 25 years of boxing and frowning e.t.c, but apparently it has to be really, really bad, which I thought mine was, but according to Dr Cardenas I didn't need it. Only when I have waited a full year and all, and any swelling has gone will I know for sure if he was correct. If the swelling has already gone from my forehead region (which I believe it has) then it looks fantastic, and Dr C was right. Only time will tell........and waiting.....is a bitch, especially for anyone waiting for good results to be posted.
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lovelessheart

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Camille69

LADIES IM HERE IN GUADALAJARA! YEY! IM HAVING MY SURGERY AROUND 10AM AND ITS 2AM RIGHT NOW IM EXCITED AND ALIL NERVOUS! PLS PRAY FOR ME LOL. ADD ME ON MY SKYPE IF U GUYS WANNA SEE THE RESULT AND MY BRUISING FACE LOL. OH BTW ILL HAVE FULL FFS EXCEPT JAWLINE REMODELING, LIP LIFT, CHEEK BONE IMPLANT AND IM NOT GONNA GO TO TYPE III FOR THE FOREHEAD. ILL HAVE TRACHEA SHAVE, ORCHIECTOMY, LIPOSUCTION ON MY ARMS AND FAT TRANSFER. PM ME.



CAMILLE
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Evolving Beauty

Quote from: Camille69 on October 04, 2013, 02:30:20 AM
LADIES IM HERE IN GUADALAJARA! YEY! IM HAVING MY SURGERY AROUND 10AM AND ITS 2AM RIGHT NOW IM EXCITED AND ALIL NERVOUS! PLS PRAY FOR ME LOL. ADD ME ON MY SKYPE IF U GUYS WANNA SEE THE RESULT AND MY BRUISING FACE LOL. OH BTW ILL HAVE FULL FFS EXCEPT JAWLINE REMODELING, LIP LIFT, CHEEK BONE IMPLANT AND IM NOT GONNA GO TO TYPE III FOR THE FOREHEAD. ILL HAVE TRACHEA SHAVE, ORCHIECTOMY, LIPOSUCTION ON MY ARMS AND FAT TRANSFER. PM ME.



CAMILLE

Wow congrats Camille,

Please give maximum feedbacks as I'm going with him soon next year. Do you live in a hotel or where? Cos Tristan said she lived in the house-village while Cadenas is telling me to book a hotel aside so I'm confused.
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TearDrops

Quote from: Camille69 on October 04, 2013, 02:30:20 AM
LADIES IM HERE IN GUADALAJARA! YEY! IM HAVING MY SURGERY AROUND 10AM AND ITS 2AM RIGHT NOW IM EXCITED AND ALIL NERVOUS! PLS PRAY FOR ME LOL. ADD ME ON MY SKYPE IF U GUYS WANNA SEE THE RESULT AND MY BRUISING FACE LOL. OH BTW ILL HAVE FULL FFS EXCEPT JAWLINE REMODELING, LIP LIFT, CHEEK BONE IMPLANT AND IM NOT GONNA GO TO TYPE III FOR THE FOREHEAD. ILL HAVE TRACHEA SHAVE, ORCHIECTOMY, LIPOSUCTION ON MY ARMS AND FAT TRANSFER. PM ME.



CAMILLE

I hope it all went well for you, I'll try to see how your doing through Skype but I am unsure as you gave no address.
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bingunginter

how is your nose job result, teardrop ? I'm going to him this December.
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Camille69

Quote from: bingunginter on October 07, 2013, 10:40:12 PM
how is your nose job result, teardrop ? I'm going to him this December.


im finally healed now but i still have a bandage on my nose. if u wanna see my result ill give u my skype name, just give me ur email address. thanks
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CourtneyDarling

When I first came back from surgery I was fairly happy but concerned about certain things that I didnt realize was just swelling. I even emailed Tyler at one point to suggest I might need a revision on like 6 months post surgery. A year+ later I can see that Dr. Cardenas really did a very nice job, and I'm looking forward to going back for more work in 2014. So patience is key. The only gripe I guess i have is the window period for revisions isnt long enough to even make an informed decision on whether not you do indeed need revision work.

I intend to go back for Cheek Augmentation, Lip Lift, and BA.... god willing i can afford it all. After that I think i'll be set for awhile at least until I need like... upkeep.
The man worked nothing short of a miracle on my chin. The nose is beautiful but it really did take a year for the results to begin to shine. I was confused because I heard people talking about how painless everything is and how a month or two later the results were fab and I maybe am a baby but I was in pain for a good while and it took me longer to see results. But i'm in my 30's.... maybe someone in their 20s just heal up faster.
Anyways they are awesome and I cant wait to go back i'm so excited.
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