I like this quote

"Men come and go, but girlfriends are forever", it has been true so far.


I don't think men are so special that they are all *bad*, I don't know if anyone seriously thinks that all men are bad and all women are good.

Anyways, there is this important point that men might be hostile to transsexual women because we are getting rid of something they are proud of.

I think misogyny is very real and very bad.

WOW thanks all,

I think I distrust them because of my childhood experiences, to be honest I don't know if I can take them or leave them. I think I at the moment I will leave then at arms distance just to be on the safe side, lol.

I like your quote asiangurliee, "girlfriends are forever" very true.

hugs and Kisses

Nigella 

Ok. I was poised for another of my inspired rants upon seeing the title of this thread. I was certain some militant feminist ftm started it.

I feel you, but in the opposite direction.
As an ftm, my first lesson in kindergarten was:

Girls = mean

Boys = nice

I could live in a male-free world and for the most part do. I do think I will have at least a couple post-op romps in the hay but, other than that, men are only needed for their sperm.

I will say I find most gay men and FtMs very interesting and the only real friendships I have ever had with men were gay of FtM.

I have been forced to watch a lot of Fox News and these predatory men are particularly disturbing, they just found the guy who shot his girlfriend while she was on stage. Imagine that!

I think science can allow reproduction without male sperm, so technically, men are not needed at all. Hehe.

Quote from: asiangurliee on July 17, 2007, 09:35:39 PM
I think science can allow reproduction without male sperm, so technically, men are not needed at all. Hehe.

I wonder if we could even reproduce via fission, like amoebas.....

OK OK........

I hate men too

they cause so many troubles

bunch of meanies

Quote from: Nero on July 17, 2007, 05:00:19 PM
Ok. I was poised for another of my inspired rants upon seeing the title of this thread. I was certain some militant feminist ftm started it.

I feel you, but in the opposite direction.
As an ftm, my first lesson in kindergarten was:

Girls = mean

Boys = nice

I hear ya Nero!

Quote from: Jaston on July 18, 2007, 10:12:17 AM

Quote from: Nero on July 17, 2007, 05:00:19 PM
Ok. I was poised for another of my inspired rants upon seeing the title of this thread. I was certain some militant feminist ftm started it.

I feel you, but in the opposite direction.
As an ftm, my first lesson in kindergarten was:

Girls = mean

Boys = nice

I hear ya Nero!

Interesting that we have opposite views and opposite gender identity according to our birth gender. Is that something then to do with our GID and formative relationships? This was my question at the start of this thread and not really anything to do with whether we like men or not. Maybe I confused people as I confuse myself, lol.

hugs and kisses

Nigella

Yeah ...

The Title "I hate men, sorry" ... is slightly misleading Nigella

I guess it is not what you wished to say in the way you did.

Buffy

I like men! They are are a must if you want to be in what society calls a normal relationship. They are so fun to be with, if it is the right guy. I don't like abusive people myself, and I will run the other way if confronted by one.
Women have what men desire, and it is exciting to be around them.
Everyone is different, and that is what makes the world go around.

Deb

There was a time in my life when I hated men, due no doubt in part to having been abused in various ways by some of them as a child. 

What made me have to re-examine my feelings about men was giving birth to a son, and realizing that he was going to become one.  How could I reasonably sustain an attitude of hatred toward men while raising a son?

In the intervening years, I have met and known some good and gentle and very enlightened men, and it's been a long time since I felt the need to apply that blanket of hatred to "all men."

However, finding myself now on the point of transitioning to myself live as a man, I've become aware that all of those old and deeply buried pains, fears and prejudices will need to be examined again, through an entirely different lens.  I expect it to be an interesting process. 

Quote from: asiangurliee on July 17, 2007, 09:35:39 PM
I think science can allow reproduction without male sperm, so technically, men are not needed at all. Hehe.

They're working on it.  But men run science, so they'll develop a way to do it without human eggs first (implant DNA into animal eggs and have artificial incubators as in Brave New World?), thus making women irrelevant instead!  Mwahahaha!

Seriously, though, as I recall, because of certain ways in which genes are activated, embryos artificially created from the DNA of two males, or two females, don't develop properly and are not viable.  Maybe scientists are finding ways to circumvent this -- I don't know.

Quote from: debisl on July 19, 2007, 07:12:12 AM
I like men! They are are a must if you want to be in what society calls a normal relationship. They are so fun to be with, if it is the right guy. I don't like abusive people myself, and I will run the other way if confronted by one.
Women have what men desire, and it is exciting to be around them.
Everyone is different, and that is what makes the world go around.

Deb

I am a dyke and feel that I am 100% normal. And I sure didn't transition to become an hors d'oeuvres on some guy's (or girl's) buffet tray.

QuoteI am sexually attracted to men,, but I don't like most men either.

QuoteThere were times when I wondered why I was "still" attracted to men despite all the horrible things they did to me during my childhood.

These are some fairly common attitudes amongst women.  Makes you two very typical for str8 gals. Most women are perplexed by their attraction to the people that usually hurt them. It's pre-programmed, so no figuring it out. I know that if you look around and don't settle for the wrong person, you might just find a keeper out there. 

Now, as for you guys here, I haven't met one of you yet that acts on here the way most guys do out in the real world. Doesn't mean you aren't real men, not at all. I have friends out in the real world that are great men. Honest, hard-working, and treat their women like gold. Unfortunately, it seems like they always pick the women that treat them like %$#&. But in my life, all too often men feel like they have to act out like guys. And it usually means that women gets hurt in the process. I do not like it, but you cannot fight nature.

Why the %&%$ is that? The really nice women pick &^^*%$#@ for a BF, and the really nice guys do the same thing with women. Some women can be just as mean as men in their own way.

I dunno. It seems like when I was younger, women were nicer and men acted more like gentlemen. Maybe we were all just hiding our true natures. But civility has certainly taken a nosedive over the last couple of decades.

I don't hate men. I just don't like guys. Men that act in a civil manner and don't disrespect women will have no issues with me. I like diversity. Men that want to be a jerk and violent, and treat women like &%$# are going to have an enemy in me. Like I said before, most people annoy the hell out of me, but I don't hate on the basis of gender or sex, more on behavior. People in general are just whacked.

Quote from: debisl on July 19, 2007, 07:12:12 AM
I like men! They are are a must if you want to be in what society calls a normal relationship.

How is that comment not homophobic?

Quote from: Hypatia on July 22, 2007, 07:10:21 PM

Quote from: debisl on July 19, 2007, 07:12:12 AM
I like men! They are are a must if you want to be in what society calls a normal relationship.

How is that comment not homophobic?

and heterosexist, who gives a crap what is considered normal by society? i don't.

Quote from: Hypatia on July 22, 2007, 07:10:21 PM

Quote from: debisl on July 19, 2007, 07:12:12 AM
I like men! They are are a must if you want to be in what society calls a normal relationship.

How is that comment not homophobic?

And women have what men desire. Oh, it is so kewl being a girl  now that I have what men desire.

Quote from: melissa90299 on July 22, 2007, 09:37:32 PM
[And women have what men desire. Oh, it is so kewl being a girl  now that I have what men desire.

You have a 102 inch Plasma TV, Fast sports car, tickets to the next Super bowl and a years supply of free beer.

I am impressed Melissa

Buffy

Nigella,

I was very afraid to go to elementary school.  One runt could beat me up; however, it seemed to be more fun if three would do it.  Most of the time they just made me cry and would hit me a couple of times and take some of my clothing.

I absolutely refused to do contact sports and that infuriated my dad.

Prior to attending school I only played with the girls and  was totally accepted by them.

When I started school I got cut off from both genders because I was different.

I had some very intelligent guy friends and a few guys that liked me and protected me in elementary school. 

My first "real" girlfriend which was after college was mean to me.  She acted like a guy.

I made friends easily by my mid-twenties; however, I kept almost no close friends.  In fact my wife has been my only close friend.

I have experienced some brutal female corporate executives.  These women needed to show their dominance and guess who they always found.

Some women and some men are nice.  Some men and some woman are rotten.  I tend to trust women more than men but it depends on the person.

I try to judge a person's actions to determine if I want to associate with that individual.