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Boyfriends/men that are uncomfortable/ashamed to be seen with you

Started by Sibila, October 06, 2013, 06:26:52 AM

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Carlita

Quote from: Miranda Elizabeth on October 25, 2013, 12:50:25 AM
When I first saw this thread about half and hour ago, I thought, 'great, I need to get this off my chest.' Then I read a few posts and decided not to read anymore. I have enough depression over this very subject, and the line between what I'm doing and what I should be doing has blurred to the point that I no longer know if leaving him would be any solution at all. I've lived in reality only the last two years of my life, as the woman I've always been. I was a male impersonator before now. I pass without any problems whatsoever and although I'm very much at ease in my skin now and am never clocked, once in awhile I still think, 'Wow, Mira. You're actually doing what you wanted to do for your whole life.' Anyway, I've been seeing a man for a year now that I'm deeply in love with, and I'm sure he loves me. He's been divorced for over twenty years and has two grown kids, conservative kids he says who won't accept me if they find out I was born male. He's proud of me in public and doesn't hesitate to hold me, kiss me, open doors for me, etc., but in his private life I'm in the shadows and it hurts me badly. He's getting a surgery for a broken nose on Tuesday and because of an arrangement I signed off on, his family is, at least for now, off limits. So I won't be able to see him for at least a week or more, because he's going to stay at his daughter's house. We were on the phone today and weren't even talking about my shadow life, but I blurted out "You know we're not going to be able to see each other for awhile because I'm ->-bleeped-<-ing trans," which I don't usually think or speak of in such harsh terms, and then I said, "This just sucks, honey, I just wish I was born female, because I know I wouldn't..." He said loudly, "Stop it, Mira. You're all woman to me, I never even think of you any other way!" And he sounded disappointed in me, and I almost started crying, because we get along so well I know there'd be no issue at all if I was cis female. And I wanted to say 'if I'm all woman to you, sweetie, then why are you ashamed of your kids meeting me?' But I didn't, because we had a really terrible blow out that almost broke us up because I refused to be off in the shadows anymore. When we got back together, or back on track, he ended up telling me that I'm the only transwoman he's ever been with and he's hardly even used to it yet. And that he never expected to fall in love again with anyone, let alone me. I've been at a loss what to think till I read these two quotes tonight and each made perfect sense to me I think that's exactly what he's afraid of. Not what they're going to think of me, but him. And I'm going to tell him that tomorrow. Thank you, Sibila and Dahlia and God bless you both. Mira

Do you have children, Mira? Because this sounds that this is much more about how your man feels about his kids, rather than how he feels about you.

My grown-up children are having a VERY hard time dealing with the thought of me transitioning - and I can't blame them because they're losing the father they love and can't yet imagine having a relationship with the woman 'he' (as they see me) will eventually become. So I'm incredibly sensitive to their feelings and their needs.

Now I would love, years from now, to have a man in my life. But I know that would be incredibly tough for my kids to deal with. And that's not because they're bigoted, or transphobic, it's because it IS incredibly tough to think of your Dad becoming someone's girlfriend. It just scrambles any son or daughter's whole sense of who their parents are, what their family is and what that means about them, too.

That being the case, I can imagine being very, very cautious about introducing a male partner to my kids. it would lead a lot of careful work over a long time, preparing the ground, getting them used to the idea and generally helping them come to terms with what has happened in my life, and letting them know that none of this could ever affect the love I have for them.

Likewise, if my imaginary (for now!  ;) ) partner had kids of his own, I can understand that he might have to go through a similar process with them, because they'd find it very odd that their father was dating, as people say, 'a woman who used to be a man.'

Now, I know that YOU don't see it that way. Like all of us, you see your female self as your true self, and the male persona as the fake one. But we have to be realistic and accept that, even for people who are not prejudiced or mean, that's a very difficult idea to understand.

So if your man is trying to find a way to show his love for you, and deal with children who find it very hard to accept, then I think that's understandable. He's torn between two very different, but very powerful forms of love. I know it's terribly hard for you. Please don't think I'm at all unsympathetic to your position.

But one thing I would say is: please don't push him to the point where he has to choose between you and his children. That's an awful choice for any parent to have to make ... and in the end, the kind of decent, caring, dutiful man you'd want to love would always put his children first. Plus, I'm sure you're not the kind of woman who'd want to separate a father from his children, even if he did pick you.

It sounds to me like you've really found a keeper. So if you want to keep him, give him time. I'm sure he'll find a way to bring his children round. It could take a while. But it will all be worth it in the end.
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Miranda Catherine

Hi Carlita,
     No, I don't have kids. I got a girl pregnant not once, but twice, and both times she ended the pregnancies because she felt I'd be living as a woman before they'd even make it out of diapers. She was off by 27 years, but who's counting. Both were incredibly heartbreaking experiences at the time and sometimes, even now. As far as my man, I love him a lot and I'm sure he's a keeper. A few days ago he told me "Don't project your negative vision on our future together, Mira. You don't know what could happen, because I sure don't. I love you, and I hope that's enough for now." He's pretty much everything I love in a guy, except for his health, which scares me a great deal. I lost my brother earlier this year and my mom had a stroke last December that has gutted her once excellent vocabulary, ability to speak and most importantly, her memory. It's been a very, very difficult year for me. I celebrated two years of finally living as the real me, Miranda, on September 7th, and stayed sober through all of it, partly because he's also a recovering alcoholic. I don't know if I could have coped without him. And he definitely WANTS me to have my SRS. To me, he's a keeper, for sure!
These three years have been the best of my entire life
ones I've been able to live without lying
and the only time I've had since the age of twelve
I haven't constantly thought about dying



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Carlita

Quote from: Miranda Elizabeth on October 25, 2013, 08:13:59 AM
Hi Carlita,
     No, I don't have kids. I got a girl pregnant not once, but twice, and both times she ended the pregnancies because she felt I'd be living as a woman before they'd even make it out of diapers. She was off by 27 years, but who's counting. Both were incredibly heartbreaking experiences at the time and sometimes, even now. As far as my man, I love him a lot and I'm sure he's a keeper. A few days ago he told me "Don't project your negative vision on our future together, Mira. You don't know what could happen, because I sure don't. I love you, and I hope that's enough for now." He's pretty much everything I love in a guy, except for his health, which scares me a great deal. I lost my brother earlier this year and my mom had a stroke last December that has gutted her once excellent vocabulary, ability to speak and most importantly, her memory. It's been a very, very difficult year for me. I celebrated two years of finally living as the real me, Miranda, on September 7th, and stayed sober through all of it, partly because he's also a recovering alcoholic. I don't know if I could have coped without him. And he definitely WANTS me to have my SRS. To me, he's a keeper, for sure!

I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother and for your mother's stroke, Mira. It's also very sad that you missed out on the chance to be a parent. But I'm really, really glad for you that you've found such a great guy and I'm sure you two will find a way to make it work. Every time I see my therapist she tells me how easy it is for an MTF to get laid and how hard it is to find a man who'll love us, let alone be proud of us. So a little part of me is actually quite jealous of you finding your man! But not so jealous that I won't wish you both all the happiness in the world. It sounds as though you've really earned it!
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Seyranna

Huh? My GF is carrying me around like a freakin trophy! Then again I look/sound cis so I wouldn't know but maybe this guy thinks you're visibly trans which is no excuse but at the same time men deal with more internalized homophobia than women. Men are much more insecure...
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Sibila

Well, some days i like to think I am good enough to be a woman...in looks I mean...but well....if it bothers people still....then Im probably not passable at all...so it makes you feel kind of...ehm...

But on the other hand....i am trans and that should be enough.
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justchillin

Dont let you self esteem take a hit. Understand that although no one has the right to make you feel the way you do. He has to come to terms with his trans oriented feeling the same way we had to come to term with our feeling before and during transition. Also understand for the sake of you happiness you may not be able to wait for him to accept himself and you.
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Sibila

Quote from: Doctorwho? on October 24, 2013, 06:16:53 AM
To answer the specific point first, I don't really think that someone who is ashamed to be with you, is really loving you. They are using you, and not even admitting that fact, so I would not call that a healthy relationship.

That said, Love is a very complex thing. Let me take a small risk and share a few details of my own story, in the hope that they may help someone who struggles with love, or worries about their future.

When I was young I used to worry about who would find me attractive. I have PAIS so I knew that I was likely to be sterile as a male, and as a corrected female this became a certainty. So I couldn't have my own kids and it worried me that which ever role I had chosen, anyone "normal" might eventually find that to be a disappointment. So the relationship would break down.

Now I lost my father at an early age, and that left me with a slight fear of abandonment, so to me that idea that the relationship would be long-term and reliable became an important factor.

In the end I settled down with a wonderful trans woman, and although it wasn't what either of us "wanted" it was what we needed.

She had the added complication that her operation had major complications which had left her unable to consummate a relationship with a man, so her only option was a woman, which wasn't what she wanted... but I realised that although I was not a man, and did not identify as one, I could perhaps act out the role well enough to satisfy her. So thats what I did. I didn't seek to become male or anything, I just made it my business to try and fulfil the "role" of one in our relationship.

We became wonderful companions and she supported me through some of the most difficult years of my life following the death of my mother.

In turn I protected her from her, often hostile, family, and tried to give her the opportunity to be the housewife and homemaker that she so wanted to be.

In the event we were together for well over two decades.

She is now dying with early onset dementia – and harrowingly seems to have forgotten that she has had the SRS and is often back to believing herself to be a 14 year old boy with severe dysphoria. It is so sad to see her ending her life in terrible internal pain and suffering.

At the time we got together people accused me of selling out, joining the freakshow, setting up a ghetto, being perverted ->-bleeped-<- – regretting my own gender decision, you name it I've been accuse of it – a surprising amount of the time from within the LGB and indeed trans communities!!!

The point is I have loved and been loved. That is all that matters! Life is not like a baskin-robins Ice cream parlour. You don't always get to choose your PERFECT flavour. With luck what you do get is something which is edible and pleasant, and if you achieve that then you've won.

I think this is so important to understand, because by observation, those of us who are good at compromise, generally end up with better life satisfaction than those for whom it has to be perfect! If you are transitioning to become the perfect woman with the perfect relationship, then you have to be SO LUCKY, and for most of you it simply won't happen.

On the other hand, if you can compromise, and learn to get the best out of whatever life throws your way, then you have a much higher chance of being happy.

Thanks for this post! And sharing your view and experiences... and honestly? What you told me really impressed me... because my life has always been about compromise... its the way I made it this far... its the way I survived and still survive. This stuff is honest... and it is something that you can work with.  Thank you!

Also, I want to wish you the best of luck and love and strenght going through this. I cannot imagine how hard this must be for you. Seeing the one you love suffer like that and not being able to doing anything for her.
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