Here is a interesting question I came across
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So for the moment sweden consider having a third sex option, so insteed of like in your ID you can be Male or female.
you can be Male, female, or undefinable.
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thes a couple of countrys who already aknowlegde third genders in a way or another like,
India, pakistian, or Nepal,
Currently Germany also made option for being X on the birth citification.

a couple of country also have certain rules about a third gender
like Denmark and Australia got X options for passport.
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I heard one who didnt wish for a third sex to be a option but insteed getting rid of the fact why sex even is a option. why it should stand there on passport, or when we look for a job?
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What do you think?

would you like a third sex to be an option, or would you rather be without sex in sociaty as it all, or are you satified on as it is?

I think most people are comfortable identifying with one of the binary genders. I wouldn't want to upend the whole system just for a few of us that are not.

However, I'd want the third gender for non-binary folk for whom "just male" or "just female" doesn't tell the story.

I'd check that option every time, not because I necessarily feel ambiguous, but because any place that ASKS about gender probably intends to use it for some exclusionary purpose.

When I bought this smartphone, the choices setting up the account were male, female, and other. Naturally, I chose other, I'm a twofer!

I chose I want it as an option, but I'd really rather have it not asked at all! What does it matter? Why does it have to be on our ID in the first place? Heck, why do we even have to carry ID's? This is a relatively new concept, and yet taken as a given. I'd like to see a world where sex and race are not even recorded. Or names, if we must have an ID, why can't it just be a fingerprint and a number, and maybe a picture? It would also largely eliminate sexism and racism from the job application process if I were simply person #12345678 rather than Veronica Lynn.

Quote from: VeronicaLynn on October 29, 2013, 07:30:48 PM
I chose I want it as an option, but I'd really rather have it not asked at all! What does it matter? Why does it have to be on our ID in the first place? Heck, why do we even have to carry ID's? This is a relatively new concept, and yet taken as a given. I'd like to see a world where sex and race are not even recorded. Or names, if we must have an ID, why can't it just be a fingerprint and a number, and maybe a picture? It would also largely eliminate sexism and racism from the job application process if I were simply person #12345678 rather than Veronica Lynn.

Funnily enough, there was an option for "rather not have it asked", the second option.

I guess I read "I dont want sex to even be a part of our life" in a different way...

I want lots of sex in my life, just not on my drivers license.

I have had the huge joy of marking the OTHER box more than once. I cried in joy the first two times. Us intersex twofers, (good one Devlyn) are the bug in the ointment. We skew the whole works, yet we are the last acknowledged or forgotten altogether.

I have seen this debate on other Forums, I like other or ex. It often becomes a whole gaggle of over specialized descriptive terms and the simple system breaks down again. I think I may like the no sex identification even better. Idiots won't, they will then be required to think and evaluate. Power mongers surely won't. Hug you, not them. Joann

It would be nice if the question wasn't even asked, but I'd like an option to not specify at least, and I think it might eventually catch on broadly enough that you wouldn't be obviously "other" for selecting it. There are lots of people who enjoy not giving government agencies information that they really don't need. I get nervous about "third gender" options. That makes it WAY easy to target and discriminate for the unpleasant humans out there.

There is ongoing discussion in Canada about the need for gender to be marked on birth certificates and the problems that has been causing for trans and intersex kids. That is a particularly inane one since birth certificates are never valid as independent ID here due to the lack of a photo on them. And hopefully if we can get rid of it on one thing, we might be able to expand that.

Quote from: VeronicaLynn on October 30, 2013, 03:00:17 AM
I guess I read "I dont want sex to even be a part of our life" in a different way...

I want lots of sex in my life, just not on my drivers license.

lol it was not how it was inteended to be understood.

Sex as in "biological gender" shouldnt mean anything, it shouldn't be wrotted down in ID, or anywhere. 
you can still have all the sex you want.

I want there to be a standard third option (i.e., an "other" option) everywhere because that's what I would choose every time. I even went through the trouble of hacking my Facebook profile to remove my gender marker there.

I am definitely not a man, but I'm not totally a woman either, even though I'm femme. I don't want to be pigeonholed into any one category.

there should always be an other option. i don't really care all that much about legal documents, whatever gender it says doesn't have any practical consequences for me, it's only a flawed means of identification.

but when it comes to those questionnaires that are made to gather statistics... i'd be lying no matter which gender box i tick off. because there are only two of them. my answers will make for some flawed statistics. and that's something that i don't really like. it's ok to gather statistics on typical male and female behavioral patterns, but i'm atypical to start with, so i'd like to have more gender options. in health care as well, actually, it's ridiculous how the system insists on choosing either or when the doctors have more than enough evidence for variation. we should gather statistics on the variations as well, not just lump them with either major gender group.

I definitely want a third option. I occasionally write in "other" or check both boxes on forms if I'm feeling especially brave/angry at the binary system. :p

Quote from: insane_protagonist on November 04, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
I definitely want a third option. I occasionally write in "other" or check both boxes on forms if I'm feeling especially brave/angry at the binary system. :p

Unfortunately the people that process your forms don't make the policy,they're just peons and they are the only ones you are affecting by doing this lol

Quote from: <3 on November 04, 2013, 04:42:53 PM
Unfortunately the people that process your forms don't make the policy,they're just peons and they are the only ones you are affecting by doing this lol

I know, I know, but hey, if people start refusing to play the game it WILL be noticed.

Though the German example that I presume prompted this post is not really about andros particularly, it's more the option for parents of intersex children to be able to put their children down as x and so not force their hands in deciding a sex for their children. This seems a sane and rational thing to do but is not really a recognition of a third psychological gender identity.

So it's short for TBD?

Quote from: <3 on November 04, 2013, 06:39:33 PM
So it's short for TBD?

Aye

I'm all for the "Other" option. I understand that quite a few people are more for eliminating all but essential information from their ID's, such as a picture and a number and little more, but I think it would be far more practical to simply add a third option to one of the data fields rather than trying to overhaul the entire system. The government, at least the one over here in the US, isn't really too keen on sudden change. Not without royally mucking it up, at least.

Either way you do it, even simply providing an "other" option, it would likely spread very slowly on the state level, creating a situation where one state would recognize your gender and others would not. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something like this happen, but we'd have to be pretty loud to even be heard on a city/state level, let alone federally. But that's just my crappy country. I can see it working better in other places.