Whats you feelings about pursuing technology and advances for any 2 persons to impregnate each other. Women, Men, and everyone in between to impregnate any other person?

Women impregnating men, Men impregnating other men, Women impregnating women. And everyone in between.

Or would you prefer children to be born from eggs, in machines, or some other way?

Or would you prefer that there be no more reproduction and have the current people live forever?

I think this is a good androgyne topic since there is a good chance to have opinions less biased by current beliefs and thoughts.

And one can even call them andro-tykes, as zythyra once mentioned.

   I'm fine with all of the suggestions unless "no more reproduction and have the current people live forever?" becomes a reality. I don't think fertilization or gestation matter. What's important is that at 'birth', the child have someone to love.

   I like the idea of cloning too because then I could have a little rebis and I would understand little rebis enough to allow little reeb to become the person little reeb was meant to be.  That would mean HRT at or about the time of puberty. Possible castration if that were the best way.  It would be up to little reeb, though.

Disclaimer: Nero's thoughts on the subject and Nero's thoughts only.

Call me old fashioned, but I feel pregnancy should be relegated to the female gender. I just see giving birth, bringing a life into the world, and motherhood as one of the few unique things that define womanhood.
I'm all for any new discoveries or technological advances that would give transwomen the ability to bear children if they so desire.
There are just certain instincts hard-wired into the female of the species vital to the offspring's survival.

I'm vehemently against cloning. It's just not natural. It's the twilight zone here. Geez, why do I suddenly wish this was the 50s?

As far as test tube babies - that extreme should only be used in cases in which the woman is barren. Not for situations like - I really want a child, but I don't feel like carrying him. Would you like to carry him for me? I'll pay you.

I don't know why, but the idea of people who do not identify as women becoming pregnant disturbs me.

And the idea of foetii being incubated in test tubes?  It's so... impersonal.

Quote from: Tay on July 22, 2007, 02:36:28 PM
I don't know why, but the idea of people who do not identify as women becoming pregnant disturbs me.

And the idea of foetii being incubated in test tubes?  It's so... impersonal.

Seconded.

     I used to feel the same as Tay and Nero, however, something in me surrendered. I'm okay with anybody and anything bearing a child.

    Call me new fashioned     I'm okay with these methods because for the purpose of this discussion, I'm assuming all of the options are perfected and are 100% safe and reliable.

    I'll bet we could tweak little reeb so that little reeb's head would always have hair.

Hey, Rebis, I won't judge you or little Reeb for being made in an atypical manner/choosing to have little Reeb made in an atypical manner.

I just don't want any part of it.  Little Reeb can be my friend, I won't judge.  I just... would be weirded out by hearing about Little Reeb's origins.

Quote from: Tay on July 22, 2007, 03:37:08 PM
Hey, Rebis, I won't judge you or little Reeb for being made in an atypical manner/choosing to have little Reeb made in an atypical manner.

I just don't want any part of it.  Little Reeb can be my friend, I won't judge.  I just... would be weirded out by hearing about Little Reeb's origins.

I am sorry you feel that way, Tay.  For you see, it has already come to pass and I am, in fact, little Rebis. 

Posted on: July 22, 2007, 03:39:58 PM

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Quote from: Ell on July 22, 2007, 03:36:48 PM
i think i read somewhere where a human fetus was transferred to the womb of a female horse. when will the insanity end?!

The insanity will never end.  You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.   

Quote from: Rebis on July 22, 2007, 03:41:59 PM
The insanity will never end.  You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.   

Ha Ha Ha! (sigh) (*pauses. sobs*)

I'd prefer everyone impregnating everyone else, rather than the other things. A baby's gotta bond and feel welcome in this world, and I think a bit of quality wombtime helps.

I don't care if a guy want to get pregnant, if a guy want to get pregnant, than let him but i just wish transsexual women cna get pregnant.

a baby for every pot(belly)!

Quote from: Rebis on July 22, 2007, 04:51:39 PM
a baby for every pot(belly)!

i was so disgusted when Arnold got pregnant. i kept imagining it'd be delivered out his a**

blech!!!

Quote from: Ell on July 22, 2007, 05:26:20 PM
i was so disgusted when Arnold got pregnant. i kept imagining it'd be delivered out his a**

blech!!!

Are you kidding with all the plastic surgery in Hollywood?  He had a zipper installed, that way, he could have more if he wanted to.

Now, if they could just make easily attachable "real" body parts.  If it were time to chop the wood, you put on your "strong" arms...special legs for evening wear...not to mention other parts you could change at will.  Hmmmm

As far as Generless Pregnancy...if you want to be miserable carrying a child for nine months, knock yourself out.  I saw my ex go through it and there is no way...I'm too much of a wimp for that.

....Laurry

Quote from: Ell on July 22, 2007, 05:26:20 PM

Quote from: Rebis on July 22, 2007, 04:51:39 PM
a baby for every pot(belly)!

i was so disgusted when Arnold got pregnant. i kept imagining it'd be delivered out his a**

blech!!!

Are you speaking of Arnold Ziffel of Green Acres fame, or Arnold Schwarzenegger, the governor of California? It has been said that their acting careers are interchangeable.  As is their DNA.

Whats you feelings about pursuing technology and advances for any 2 persons to impregnate each other?
I would have to vote against as well since it very much so goes against biology; a womb replacement on a male would either have to be designed without anatomical reference (think: backpack), or a womb transplant which would mean that the male's anatomy would have to be altered tremendously (feminized to be accurate) for them to be able to not only give labour (although c-section would be an option), but raise the fetus and provide it with the necessary nutrition. However, as for the research on possibilities for transsexuals to bear a child after transition (which should be along the above lines) you won't hear me protesting since it would be the simple case of an anatomy suiting a gender.

Or would you prefer children to be born from eggs, in machines, or some other way?
Surely, when they did it in the Matrix people weren't exactly thrilled. Additionally, why on earth would we want to increase our population? Also, the whole 'machine' partial does remind me of those test tube babies, and an intention to create perfection truly does frighten me.

Or would you prefer that there be no more reproduction and have the current people live forever?
These current people? Oh Lord no... It would mean the end of history; a continues looping wherein kings and fools ever play their silly card games.

Additional: cloning
Apparently this has been mentioned above, and I really can't resist sharing my own thoughts. When it comes to cloning I oppose the replica of a full human being as well as animals. To be frank, I have never understood the thrill of bringing back an extinct species; for what purpose? So we can put them in a zoo and watch them? Or in the wild so we can scream "Look at us, we brought back another species, aren't we swell?". And for the cloning; what is the point to clone something if you're going to kill it anyhow? Yay we'll have more meat?... Sorry, but I don't eat meat, and that just sounds sadistic.

However, I do believe that the technique can and should be used for medical purposes; cloning organs for transplantation, nerves and limbs for those who have lost them, and perhaps even stem cell tissue/partials of fetuses for successful stem cell research (after all that would solve one ethical point of argument, yet at the same time may create another). 

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Meh, does that make me young but oldfashioned? xD

i think if anyone could get pregnant from anyone else, it would lose some of the specialness, not to mention the fights that would erupt xD imagine jerry springer when no one is sure who impregnated who? i guess that wouldnt really happen but its a pretty funny mental image

i agree with everyone that said tubes and machines are too impersonal

as for the current people living forever, thats just liek the book "the city and the stars" by arthur c clarke, AMAZING book, basically this city has a few billion people and they all live for a thousand years, then get reabsorbed into the computer bank, and reborn sometime later. i highly recommend it

and cloning....clones only look like the original, they have different souls and ideas and personalities (it would be interesting to see how true nature vs nurture is though...)

Quote from: DRAIN on July 23, 2007, 05:13:13 PM
and cloning....clones only look like the original, they have different souls and ideas and personalities (it would be interesting to see how true nature vs nurture is though...)

   exactly, which is why I would allow little rebis to make little rebis's own choices for the most part. I guess I would have to insist on certain things like not eating junk food and don't hit the other kids and that kind of parental stuff.
   Otherwise, it will be encourage the kid, teach the kid to have fun, try to protect the kid from real nasty stuff, educate the kid, allow the kid to grow the kid's own wings and let the kid fly.

I believe like all plants, all humans would survive just fine if they could reproduce with any other member of the human race. I believe that nurturing doesnt depend on any male (father) and female (mother) relationship. And giving the best nurturing one can do, would be an ideal. I believe that men and men or any other combination could have, love, and nurture any child just as well as current naturally birthed children. And that having full dna/blood/biological link would even increase any connection. I dont think that such technologies would eliminate foster children nor addoption. Since the demand for newlyborn children is much beyond the current supply. As for older children, such technologies may create more of a problem of finding homes so some solutions may be needed to resolve a loss of demand  and over ubundant supply.

Technologically I dont know how far away we are from achieving such abilities.

And such abilities could be used for such heterosexual couples to use cells from a newly deceased husband to create a possible child to a widow wanting another child, help infertile couples have children, and maybe help with such special situations such as hysterectomy, ovarian cancer, tubes tied for birth control, or other medical conditions that disable, remove, or block reproduction.

As for the egg birth, most animals use external eggs. Fish, birds, insects, reptiles. And even plants use seeds which are external egg like, self sufficient. I could see using human eggs instead of inside a woman's womb, decreasing medical risks to a person. I think only mammals do live womb birth, besides a few exceptions. Saying that family connection would best require a woman's womb, is only true i think to a woman, that would almost selfishly want that experience for their own. Having an external egg would enable the other partner to experience guarding the egg, and caring for a prebirth child. It would also change abortion views. It would eliminate or change the right of choice since there is no longer a body/dependancy connection. Most of life uses external egg like offspring, humans would do just fine, and be more flexible.

Cloning would help in same sex, transgender, infertile, widows, medical conditions, and other limited families.

As for living forever......Oh Yeah! Though imagine the wrinkles.

I am all for pleasure sex.

I am all for separating reproduction from pleasure of sex.

I am all for everyone getting the opportunity to reproduce, "even Rebis and hir little Reeb".

I am all for everyone getting the chance if so desired to nurture a fetus and/or egg to birth.

KK

Quote from: Tay on July 22, 2007, 02:36:28 PM
And the idea of foetii being incubated in test tubes?  It's so... impersonal.

That is the only way sometimes

And to be honest I don't care who gives birth and what it takes to "make" a baby... As long as its a part of you then whats the difference?