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As a transgender male do I have to agree with Homosexuality as a Christian

Started by Brandon, October 19, 2013, 09:02:38 PM

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Del

2 Timothy 4: 2,3
[2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Every sermon should have all 3 parts to be from God. It should manifest what is err, manifest the truth and give hope unto the hearer.

Anything partial is not of the Holy Ghost.
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Del on October 21, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
When a Christian attempts to warn a person using scripture they are loving them enough to save their soul. Not judging them.

The person they warn either believes or rejects that warning.

It is the Lord who judges based on the warning and whether or not it is accepted or rejected.

Whether or not it is judging or warning, it does go against the ideals of what this support site is here for.  People should feel comfortable coming to this site without being told they are sinning just by being what they consider true to themselves.  I don't come here to learn what sins I am committing according to you or Brandon and be warned about them, I come here for support and that should be respected.  You have been respectful in that sense, as you only seem to post in the Christianity section.  Others may have not been as respectful of that and bring their "warnings" to other sections of the website, which to me is inappropriate.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Del

That is why to a large degree I keep some things out of my posts. Because of a love for people here. It would not profit to post some things.

The only time I have ever opened up was a while back and that was when someone mocked the word of God. That post I requested locked because it was straying into other areas and would only hurt people.

For the most part I only post that which I would hope strengthens a person's faith. When some issues keep getting spoken against however I say something. But, for the most part over the years I have been here I think I haven't knowingly went out of my way to post anything to hurt someone. Which by the way, I don't like being lumped together with Brandon.

As I said if I offended any I apologize.

May God bless.
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Del

I would like to clarify something about how I view transsexual people. Just so there is no doubt.

I have often posted I disagree with some of the views. That is just being honest. I do take the word of God very seriously but attempt to use it to help and not to hurt people. I have an example of this from a dear friend here.

If anyone was to go back on the Christian posts they could find that on the serious side I have opened up to defend the gospel and for that I am not ashamed nor repent. My reason at that time was sound and I did what I felt I had to do. That given post actually did bring me closer to some as they saw I don't play when it comes unto the word of God.

On the other side of the balance so to speak I do know how many transsexual people feel and believe in shewing mercy and helping. Sort of how the disciples asked if they should call down fire from heaven and the Lord said they knew not what manner of spirit they were of. The word says his "word" is as a "fire" shut up in my bones. Too many have left off to shew mercy and lash out with the word. I firmly believe that the word of God should be held in the highest reverence but also feel that at times regardless of how hard core we are we have to admit when the Lord shows us something contrary to what e believe. That happened to me right here a while back.

I don't think my friend Sarah will mind if I share this. If so she can contact me and I'll apologize. I just happen to feel this is a good example of putting the Lord before what we want to believe.

A while back Sarah spake of a dream she had many years ago. As she described this dream it came back to my remembrance that I had the same dream. She didn't go into detail but I immediately knew the dream and had the very vision once again in my spirit.

We corresponded and I shared the dream making mention of a song in this dream and leaving one of the lyrics out intentionally. When Sarah corresponded back she mentioned that given lyrics being in that dream along with the part I mentioned. We both saw that the Lord knew our paths would cross some twenty five or so years before we met here.

The dreams and visions and such coming from the Lord to guide his saints is still in existence today.

I have said quite a few times that I disagree with many transsexual views. Still in all one thing is very clear.

I fear God far too much to ever say Sarah is deceived or of the devil or going to hell. She is known of God and for whatever reason the Lord wanted me to know she is known of him and one of his. Therefore regardless of how I feel or think I have to set aside my straight, cisgender, male ego an acknowledge this sister is truly one of the Lord's. She is very knowledgeable in the word of God and one of whom I trust with the word and gladly acknowledge as a sister in the Lord.
For that reason I do make every attempt to hold back from saying anything that would hurt people here. The Lord used Sarah to show me that. It would be nothing more than calling down fire from heaven if I was to use the word of God to hurt those already hurt and invade a safe haven of sorts here.

I hope she doesn't mind me making mention of this.

I wish all here the best with their search and walk the Lord.

May God bless.
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Del

Sorry for another thread drift. I hope all can resume now.

May God bless.
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Chaos

I myself have had dreams and visions since i was around 10 or younger.Some warnings,some leading and some very demonic as satan tried to confuse,mislead or otherwise torment me.Also given a word from God his self over the birth of a child and many other personal experiences.And some of the very things i have went through in life were directly in the face of both.What i mean is that in *per say* the spiritual realm,i have come face to face with God and Satan.*Not physical face of course* I myself was taught many things that i *thought* *I* didnt agree with.The one thing i will remember is when my mind was taken over by the spirit of fear (mind you,MUCH different then panic attacks.) One day i was sitting in my kitchen with my family (LONG before i knew anything) and suddenly i started to freak out,grabbing my own body parts *mostly leg* and started to scream -im dying!! theres a blood clot or something!! make it stop!!- (my family literally was scared,they didnt know what had come over me) i made my family rush me to an ER as i was in tears and unable to control it.they told me NOTHING was wrong with me but because the DOC thought i was having withdraws for narcotics,he gave me a pain med that my mother took away from me and said *you arent touching this crap!* (she didnt believe in controlled medication,even if it came from the doc and you knew what you were doing and doing it well.this went for ANY thing,even anxiety meds) of course it was experiences like this that i was allowed to go through them,satan *allowed* to torment me in such high degrees that i found the strength to say *what do i believe in?* God was a very strong support and love in my life during these times (ill admit that i have been very eager to get closer) And to have him personally lead one is an amazing experience.My spirit was always very in tune and easy to talk to and so was my heart.During times of (as an example) i would watch the news and saw someone being beaten over hate,i would cringe and my heart and spirit would cry.Even with all the hate that my blind family taught my mind,God taught everything else and i learned *with all the torments,fear,pain* that the body is only a shell and does not determine who we are.Many believe that *to lie-lay* with someone is a form of sexual action and i have never disputed someone elses views but i have also never let go of what I KNOW to be true,not because of what someone on earth taught me but what God his self showed me.After i found out i was Transgender,i went through a small period of searching for truth.Was this part of his plan? was i ment to know,understand and suffer as like any woman and to say that i could walk away knowing i have had that experience,then to only *after all was taught and like finally reaching my destiny* be given who i REALLY am? Was my body really the definition of ME and was this just another torment from satan his self? Even though its true that i have slipped further away due to alot of lifes experiences,i began to have dreams relating to these questions and over time,they alone began to lead me to WHO i was.Another question for me was *IF this is a lie,then why did it take 30 years to be told with all the other lies i was fed as i grew up? why after so long? and why did the depression leave when i found out this information? wasnt the depression *the disorder* a form of being oppressed? and if i was set free,doesnt the bible say that *the TRUTH shall set you free?* looking back on all the experiences i have had,these questions seemed almost silly to ask myself.But i had a few dreams

1) I was standing in a black background *this allows the purpose of only focusing on what is important IN the dream* and i stood in a male form and on my chest was written MY new name but it seemed to be apart of me,inside me,one with me and that knowledge seemed to bring me peace and happiness.

2) The view was only that of a paper/form of some sort and i was signing my male name but the middle name only started with an F. *which brings in the below*

(God picked my male middle name btw.As i was searching i found a name and its very discription WAS me to a T and inside i heard a pulling and that was when i made it officially MINE)

I myself was always an unconditional lover because i know in my heart that the hardest person to love in this world is ME..I am FAR from worthy of everything he has ever taught me,given me and what he has planned and because of that,i know that MANY are worthy of his love,compassion,acceptance and forgiveness.The below i have lived on and refuse to exalt myself but be humble.As one who is lowly,i will lift up those around me

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

*Luke 18:9-14
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.*
All Thing's Come With A Price...
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SarahM777

Quote from: Del on October 21, 2013, 12:56:21 PM

I don't think my friend Sarah will mind if I share this. If so she can contact me and I'll apologize. I just happen to feel this is a good example of putting the Lord before what we want to believe.

A while back Sarah spake of a dream she had many years ago. As she described this dream it came back to my remembrance that I had the same dream. She didn't go into detail but I immediately knew the dream and had the very vision once again in my spirit.

We corresponded and I shared the dream making mention of a song in this dream and leaving one of the lyrics out intentionally. When Sarah corresponded back she mentioned that given lyrics being in that dream along with the part I mentioned. We both saw that the Lord knew our paths would cross some twenty five or so years before we met here.

The dreams and visions and such coming from the Lord to guide his saints is still in existence today.

I have said quite a few times that I disagree with many transsexual views. Still in all one thing is very clear.

I fear God far too much to ever say Sarah is deceived or of the devil or going to hell. She is known of God and for whatever reason the Lord wanted me to know she is known of him and one of his. Therefore regardless of how I feel or think I have to set aside my straight, cisgender, male ego an acknowledge this sister is truly one of the Lord's. She is very knowledgeable in the word of God and one of whom I trust with the word and gladly acknowledge as a sister in the Lord.
For that reason I do make every attempt to hold back from saying anything that would hurt people here. The Lord used Sarah to show me that. It would be nothing more than calling down fire from heaven if I was to use the word of God to hurt those already hurt and invade a safe haven of sorts here.

I hope she doesn't mind me making mention of this.

I wish all here the best with their search and walk the Lord.

May God bless.

Del,

I don't mind.  :)

I don't understand this all but for what reason this has been given me for His glory. He is far greater than anything we can will ever have to carry in this life.

If we ever can learn one thing it's His love and mercy are so great towards us that it should change us to show the same compassion and love to those around us. We're all in the same boat. And the evidence is in the fruits which are so often not seen and those are love,joy,peace, patience,goodness, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control.
Answers are easy. It's asking the right questions which is hard.

Be positive in the fact that there is always one person in a worse situation then you.

The Fourth Doctor
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Del

Sarah,
I agree. There are some things we may never know until we cross over Jordan so to speak.
The fact that we met and had the chance to become friends may put some sense to me staying on this site. That is since I am not transsexual.
In the meanwhile your friendship is a cherished blessing.

Chaos,
Your post blessed me as well. It's good to see others that can recognize visitations from the Lord and discern between those of God and those of Satan.
It is great that you and Sarah can help others.

May God bless.
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Chaos

Quote from: Del on October 21, 2013, 06:22:33 PM
Chaos,
Your post blessed me as well. It's good to see others that can recognize visitations from the Lord and discern between those of God and those of Satan.
It is great that you and Sarah can help others.

Im glad that it blessed you or anyone else.Part of growing in spirit is having those eyes slowly opened.As we are young in spirit,it is hard to learn what is true and what is false (and why i encourage people to spend time with him and learn) but as long as we are willing to listen and be taught,then God will show and do wonderful things.We have all been in that place and even me but i am happy that i refused man from teaching me but being taught THROUGH man or from him alone.Though back then with all the falsehood,all the things that God stands AGAINST,showed me WHY it is best to listen to him alone.And even now as his word comes to pass and the love of many grows cold,its an even more reason to go to him alone and ask to be taught and shown.
All Thing's Come With A Price...
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Brandon

Quote from: bethanyjadefowell on October 20, 2013, 01:34:03 PM
You are so wrong. As you are a FTM who use to be a female who likes females, you are homosexual.

If however, you use to like men as a female then you would not be homosexual.

So what did you like as a female, male or female?

Im a male and have always liked females as a male I have never felt like a lesbian because I know I'm not, I'm straight from the looks of it you guys are trying to call me female so you can say that Im a lesbian and so it wouldn't make since, But that's very contradicting, But as Ive stated I have not nor will I hav a problem with homosexuals, Sorry if I offended anyone though
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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Danielle Emmalee

Brandon, I think its just a matter of different people defining sexual orientation different ways.  Its possible for nobody to be "wrong" if everyone in the conversation is using different definitions.  I wouldn't worry about anyone defining your orientation, just as you shouldn't worry about defining others for them.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Shaina

Quote from: Brandon on November 12, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
Im a male and have always liked females as a male I have never felt like a lesbian because I know I'm not, I'm straight from the looks of it you guys are trying to call me female so you can say that Im a lesbian and so it wouldn't make since, But that's very contradicting, But as Ive stated I have not nor will I hav a problem with homosexuals, Sorry if I offended anyone though

I agree with <3 and Brandon I'm glad you were able to explain your point while being mindful of others feelings. I think that's just the best of both worlds. :)
I was a child and she was a child   
    In this kingdom by the sea:   
But we loved with a love that was more than love—
    I and my Annabel Lee
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Danielle Emmalee

Brandon knows how he defines sexuality and nobody else can be right.  That's all there is to it. 
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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bethanyjadefowell

But we ARE forgetting something. He started all of this by not agreeing with homosexuality as a Christian, but went on to say he was not homosexual as a female, but liked females!!!!!!
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bethanyjadefowell

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Brandon

Quote from: bethanyjadefowell on November 15, 2013, 04:34:16 PM
Sorry, but as you were a FEMALE who liked FEMALES, you were a lesbian!!!!! If you are saying you were not, then you must of liked only MALES. If you liked both, you would then be BI.

No one is saying that you as a man (now) who likes females, is not straight, because, you can say you are, as you are now male who likes females.

One last thing. If as a female you liked females (like you said), could you tell everyone, how that makes you, NOT a lesbian? I am gay, could I say I am not gay?


I'm not a female I'm a male
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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bethany

If someone sees themselves as one gender and they are attracted to the opposite gender, They see themselves as straight.
Others may not agree with that, and thats their opinion.

As a Trans-woman I am finding myself attracted to men. Now the key word here is Woman. So as a woman who is attracted to men does that not mean I am straight?

At the end of the day what does it really matter what label we put on someone as long as they are happy.
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Brandon

Quote from: bethanyjadefowell on November 15, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
But we ARE forgetting something. He started all of this by not agreeing with homosexuality as a Christian, but went on to say he was not homosexual as a female, but liked females!!!!!!



I find that funny, If I say I'm male I'm male no question about it, And besides I thought the brain is what makes you male or female? Nice try though
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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bethanyjadefowell

Were you once female though? Or born male? I know we were born in the wrong body, but I mean, were you born female with all the female parts or born male with all the make parts?

We all know that you are now FEMALE. I am NOT saying that your not!!!
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DriftingCrow

Beth, I think we know what you're getting at, but you seem to just be in the mood to fight. You're not going to make Brandon or anyone else change their minds about homosexuality or religion.
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