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How many of you never step out in the streets just cos ur not passable & bullied

Started by Evolving Beauty, December 05, 2013, 07:58:41 AM

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Riley Skye

Well I I'm at the point where people will question me if they so choose but that doesn't matter to me. I usually go out the way I want to to most places when I'm with people. On the other hand if I go into the city, NYC, I'll be timid to go out in girl mode tbh
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evecrook

personally I like the idea of doing NYC ,its so incredibly big and so many people I think it be a blast to stroll down the avenue in a nice outfit. My brother lives in new York. when I was a teen ager I took a bus there and ended up walking around manhatten at night because I only knew where he worked.  I had to wait till he was at work to see him because he didn't know I was coming. It probably wasn't the best Idea ,but I had no where else to go. sorry I got a little carried away here. What I was going to say was when I was walking around I saw my first ever transsexuals going to a bar. It was interesting. New York is use to people freely walking around,
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Ltl89

Quote from: evecrook on December 07, 2013, 02:09:53 PM
personally I like the idea of doing NYC ,its so incredibly big and so many people I think it be a blast to stroll down the avenue in a nice outfit. My brother lives in new York. when I was a teen ager I took a bus there and ended up walking around manhatten at night because I only knew where he worked.  I had to wait till he was at work to see him because he didn't know I was coming. It probably wasn't the best Idea ,but I had no where else to go. sorry I got a little carried away here. What I was going to say was when I was walking around I saw my first ever transsexuals going to a bar. It was interesting. New York is use to people freely walking around,

I live in New York.  It's a big state and different areas have different cultures.  When it comes to dressing in public, it really depends on where you are and how safe you feel.  If you go to Chelsea, yeah there should be no problems.  But there are areas where you may want to exercise more caution if you fear being clocked.  The good thing about certain parts of the city is that you can easily pass by people without ever having to see them again.  The stranger factor may make things more easy.  However, it all really depends.  For some people the large volume of people may make it hard for some to present as female when they are just getting comfortable with it.  Depends on how you see it.  I'll probably first go out in the more tourist friendly parts of the city for my first few outings.  It's easier for me knowing they are strangers even if there are many of them. 
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boddi

I am passable but I get bullied.  If you get me.  I actually think, paradoxically, that if passable AND known to be trans, it makes it harder.  People react more nastily to you.  I get an awful lot of abuse sadly from people who ''know''.  So yes, it does make me a recluse :(
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Jill F

People suck. 

The first few times I stepped out were not pretty, and neither was I.   I had no idea what I was doing and some d-bags really let me have it.  I had beard shadow, thinning long hair and basically felt like a shaven ape in a dress.  My demeanor was off due to anxiety issues and my femme voice was nonexistent. 

Part of me wanted to just give up presenting female publically until male fail, it that ever happened, but I never gave up and just reminded myself that it gets better every time.  The world is full of haters, and we can't change that.  If they keep you at home to the point of reclusiveness, they win and you lose. 

Unattractive ciswomen have to face the world every day as well.   

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Stella Stanhope


QuoteI've always wondered why more girls don't just wait it out on hrt and save money for surgeries before diving feet first into full time. Some people sadly don't naturally pass before hrt & surge. To me it all goes back to planing and being 100% honest with yourself before just putting yourself out there with the wolves. We all know what we look like and that should always be taken into account beforehand. I know many girls who waited till things were further enough along before going full time. I think it's better to ease into things gradually. Getting clocked is the lest of any girls worries if you ask me. I tend to look at things from a safety point. It's just not safe to jump out there prematurely.

It may not be fun waiting but nothing worth having/doing is ever easy. Why set yourself up for what could be easily avoided?

I very much agree with that, as sadly we live lives of compromised dreams and curtailed expectations (though, sometimes we do get lucky and life conjures up the dream!). It is very important to simulate what how you may look and how you intend to cope with being TS before embarking on the nitty-gritty involving surgery and hormones. Create some personal rules, decide the best case and worst case scenarios as well as the usual pro's and con's list.

I tend to go with expecting the worst but planning to get as best outcome as possible. I guess that's probably a pessimistic outlook, but I think with transexualism its healthy to be pessimistic, sadly. Assume that the worst will happen (you won't pass, you'll have trouble, etc etc so that you can better plan for it and prepare your mind.

As for me, I'd love to wear maxi dresses in summer and be an elegant female, but I very much doubt that'll ever be possible (especially as I'd prefer a slow and low-dose HRT regime). So I've tempered this depressing highly probable outcome by deciding that I would wear some stylish female trouser suits instead. That would be my "look". I'd much rather have more flexibility of course, but this would be a great compromise, as I could still wear female clothes yet without the issues of wearing socially inflammatory things as dresses and skirts. There aren't enough transexuals or sympathisers in the world in order to change how most people view us, so until then, we have to play the binary gender game or face the consequences.

By all means, rebel, undermine and defy gender convention & stay true to yourself as much as you can, but do it wisely so you don't make more trouble for yourself.
You can't beat the system, collective society rules.
So, instead - play the system intelligently.
You can only undermine it brick by brick, slowly and subtly. Until a day may come in decades or centuries when being transgender becomes acceptable & ordinary.

Simples! :p
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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Katie

Well crap I just got home from eating dinner. Now I am no expert at detecting trans women but sitting near me was what I am thinking was a trans woman. Mind you I live in red neck and thug land. I rarely every see any GLBT stuff where I live. So in any case this gal was eating dinner with some guy. Nobody was giving her a hard time....... and mind you shes as well as me are in a non Glbt place.

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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: boddi on December 07, 2013, 05:36:54 PM
I am passable but I get bullied.  If you get me.  I actually think, paradoxically, that if passable AND known to be trans, it makes it harder.  People react more nastily to you.  I get an awful lot of abuse sadly from people who ''know''.  So yes, it does make me a recluse :(

It must be your area. Even in the intersection of thugville and redneckton (Northeast Louisiana), I never got bullied for being trans.

Hell everyone should just come to New Orleans. You can drive down Rampart / St. Claude and 4 times out of 5 you'll see somebody who isn't cisgender. Almost every time I drive down that street (which is every day after work), I see somebody that I can't tell what gender they are. Nobody messes with me here, even in St. Bernard people don't bother me. My neighbor gets crap from time to time but she doesn't really fall under the passing category, and it's really rare. However when she's in New Orleans or Metairie, nobody bothers her at all.

Heck, twice I've interacted with law enforcement in New Orleans and they've seen my ID, both times they let me off. One time I punched a cisgender woman in the face (self defense), he wrote us both a ticket but never turned them in... another time one dropped a ticket from running a stop sign to a seat belt ticket. Doctors almost always say something about how non discriminatory their office is with me, too.
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KatelynRain

Most people don't care.  Even if people suspect that you're transgender, they will not say anything nor stare at you if you're just walking past.  After all, there are some cisgender women who look like they're crossdressing.  I can understand the fear and anxiety, however!  I go through it myself, and anytime someone looks towards me, I wonder I'm being clocked.  It's an awful anxiety attack like feeling the entire time, and I just need to remember to not overthink or overanalyze things. 

And the people who are jerks enough to say something, would be jerks enough to say something to a cisgender woman too. 
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evecrook

One time I was walking around my neighborhood in one of my fav dresses and heels and I crossed the street and there a was cop crossing in front of me and just looked me in my face just as if I was just another girl being look at by a cute cop. It was a memorable experience.
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Joanna Dark

the only time I've really been clocked I knew bedause the guy was arguing with his friends insistung I was not a woman and they didn't believe him. But if I have to hang out with people my facial hair gives it away. Until I save money for laser I'll be known as trans. The sucky part is I can't just pass as a guy anymore either. People called me she yesterday and I butched it up and wore all guys clothes. Part of me wants to give up but part of me says just tone it down and wait, like isabelle said. I don't know what to do but I know I couldn't deal with bullying. I'm not doing this to be trans or fight for trans rights or sumthing, I'm doing this to be normal. I started growing boobs at age 11 so it is something I have never been. I have always been half jill and half jack and I hate it. Like amanda palmer said I'd do anything to get the jack part out. But maybe that's a fantasy.
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evecrook

I think the only way to get jack out is to medically delete all of your father's genes
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Jean24

To be honest I can't deal with that and I would end up imploding and probably killing someone. That's why I plan on not presenting till I can pass.
Trying to take it one day at a time :)
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Janae

Quote from: Evolving Beauty on December 06, 2013, 06:24:57 AM
You are very right on one sense but be aware many of us begin transition VERY late and some like me were never sure whether we'd even have the money for surgeries. And we can't wait indefinitely, youth is something that doesn't last forever. Dysphoria was and is still VERY high. I couldn't bare living a single day more as a guy. I said f*** it even if I'm unpassable but I need to wear a female dress, make up and high heels or I'd get sick mentally. But there's a big price to pay and I am paying it right now.

I understand what you mean but it's all about pacing yourself. I've always been of the mind that if your going to do something do it 100% and do it right or don't do it at all. If I wasn't yet passable there's no way I'd go outside looking like a guy in a dress. And if some of us who transitioned after puberty and don't have a feminine build that's EXACTLY what were going to look like. I live in the inner city so it's no room for half stepping unless you wanna get jumped or worse. The public doesn't care about Dysphoria or our struggles.

Also it's not always about surgery. Waiting for HRT effects to kick in while working and saving up isn't that hard. Lot's of girls do it. Everyone can't just hop into woman's clothes and go skipping off to work without risking their jobs. It's nothing to present as a women part time or on the weekends on your own time. Being a woman is more than makeup wearing heels and a dress. There are plenty basic t-shirt & jean girls out there that don't wear any of that stuff. I wouldn't risk my job & safety to wear something I can wear in the safety of my own home or on the weekend with friends. I've found that rushing and stressing to be a "Woman" can set of Dysphoria more than anything. Jumping into full time prematurely can sometimes do more harm than good in the long run. But if what your doing works for you great.


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generous4

Quote from: Evolving Beauty on December 05, 2013, 07:58:41 AM
I never go out on the streets anymore, just forcibly to go to grocery to buy food and to pay my bills.

I used to feel that way, lots of camouflaging, lots of time in boy mode, lots of tension and nervousness.  My partner gave me a hard time about it -- she always advocated for being proud of my shape etc.

Boy mode not possible anymore, and I just walk as a person, going about my business, whoever thinks whatever they think, I do not care.  Old friends, though, get some consideration, many of them shocked, others show delight, understanding.   

But you just have to keep walking, EB. 
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Dina DAngelo

If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,quacks like a duck.... it Must be a duck! That said, hold your head up high, think like a girl, walk like a girl, talk like a girl.... Look it must be a girl ! For me the lesson was told to me like this, Confidence is everything ! If you believe, then take a deep breath and walk into that room as if you own it. It's amazing what the mind can do for the body. On another side of the coin I did a lot of research into my new "Character". Just as a Hollywood actor would. Study the subject. Then eat, sleep, and breath your role. Before you know it you're not only "passable" you're interacting and what's this you're having fun and smiling. Woo Hoo!!

         Dina
Be what you truly Desire.
     After all it's you.
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stephaniec

I've just been doing my transition very slowly. I live in a small downtown  area and  I think it's making it easy for me because my changes are getting so evident
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amber roskamp

yea definitely. I am pre everything so I can go out with mild discomfort as a male but if I go presenting female I get weird looks all the time. I think lasers and hrt could make me passable though. at least I hope
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Sammy

I guess I am lucky, cause people here are very little informed about fact that TS/TG exist and would not be able to spot one right in front of their eyes. So, as I am also in that 50/50 crowd, I just go with the flow, dress as neutral as I can and just laugh if something annoys me. Last weekend it was like: "Mommy, why is he wearing a ponytail? (small girl in hospital), "Miss, would You and Your child like to take this seat?" (public transport) and "Miss, do You have some spare change?" (intoxicated older lady in front of liquer shop). If they simply stare, I just let them to (frankly, there is nothing I could do anyway - apart of facing them and giving a scary face) - if that gets tooo annoying, I would try to meet their gaze, but usually they (mostly guys) look away instantly. My assumption is - they dont know who I am - a man or a woman - and try to figure this out (being trans is out of equation, for reasons stated above - they dunno that such concept exists).
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Apples Mk.II

At 8-10 months (full time at 6) I would be stopped in the streets to be asked if was a man or a woman, be called ->-bleeped-<- or ->-bleeped-<-got... And yes, the star, specially in the metro, when people are bored or out of battery / data on the phone. I stopped giving a ->-bleeped-<- altogether a long time ago. Pretty much  my awareness radar is off, so I can't know if they are staring at me since I don't pay attention to the people other than assessing if they can be dangerous.

Kids are a different problem. Because they keep staring even if you catch them. I swear that if I keep getting stared by them after FFS... Urgh.
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