Quote from: regina on July 29, 2007, 10:25:28 PMI would hope no one would suggest that because one person did drugs and another didn't, that the first person's anguish was obviously worse. People get into addictions for a lot of reasons, genetic and social.
Holy Mackerel! Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! Can I not say
anything without you pouncing on it?
LOL I don't have hidden messages or agendas in every word I write, ok?
You said something about why I'm not on HRT or something. Inferring that I'm not 'genuine' or some such.
I just told you what I've been doing for the last decade. I explained that HRT wasn't my top priority, that's all.
I don't know what gave you the idea I was implying it as some kind of dysphoria criteria or some such.
I'm probably 1 out of 2 or 3 people on this site who was that heavy into that lifestyle. All the guys I ran with were non-trans heterosexual men, I never implied addiction was somehow a TS thing or some such.
Almost all my buddies are in the ground. In fact, one just got put there last week. When you live fast, you die fast.
So the last thing I would ever ever do is glorify drug addiction.
Posted on: July 30, 2007, 02:20:59 AM
Quote from: regina on July 29, 2007, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: Nero on July 29, 2007, 07:29:40 PM
I'm sorry that you felt hurt by something I must've said. I never labeled anyone anything, until I did have one person specifically order my diagnosis. So may I ask why you felt hurt by my posts on the thread and what was said that upset you?
Nero, you gave many examples of ftms who were bugging you who weren't really men in your book... they are still women (remember your 'list.') You said you were primary because you couldn't live as a female at all while secondaries could live in their assigned gender because their GD wasn't as intense. Didn't you state that? I don't want to misquote you, but I swear you said that in many different ways.
I never said it to their face or anything. I don't do that okay. I'm not so heartless as you might think. I've had TS tell me all day long that they pass 100%, when the reality is there's no way in hades they pass 10%. I don't say anything.
There
are ftms who I don't believe are men (and mtfs I don't believe are women). What the hell am I supposed to think when a guy is all decked out as male, maybe he's even been on T for ages, and he just plain acts like a girl?
Does not relate to other men in the slightest, is offended by what guys talk about and promptly changes the subject to the 'patriarchy' , his speech is 'affected', he calculates every step he takes, every word out his mouth, every mannerism, before answering any question, you can just hear the wheels turning in his head wondering what the appropriate 'guy' response is - socialization can't have
that drastic effect on a person (especially somebody who's supposedly been living a while as male).
I mean sure, we all have certain things of our birth gender we've picked up (pretty difficult not to), but aside from unlearning a few small things, being your target gender should come natural.
If you are in fact the gender you claim.
The biggest tell tale - how they react to things. They may have the speech, walk, and mannerisms down flat, but react to everything as their birth gender.
Come on, people! Am I the only one who's witnessed this?
It's blatantly obvious to me. I'm used to being around all guys. There are guys I get along with and guys I don't.
But there's a huge difference in a personality clash with a guy and attempting to kick it with a 'female' who says he's a guy. You can just tell. Really.
Tell me you've never met a TS (even one who transitioned years ago) that underneath all the clothes, the presentation, the surgeries, the affected mannerisms, etc. behaved
nothing like their target gender.
I mean this goes back to Shakespearean days. Anyone can put on the garb and 'act' like the opposite gender.
It doesn't mean they are the gender they're impersonating.
I find that the ones who are obviously playing a 'role' ( extremely affected mannerisms, walk, etc. obvious weighing of every word to make certain it's something their target gender would say, etc) are less likely to actually be their target gender.
Quote from: regina on July 29, 2007, 10:25:28 PMYou said you were primary because you couldn't live as a female at all while secondaries could live in their assigned gender because their GD wasn't as intense. Didn't you state that? I don't want to misquote you, but I swear you said that in many different ways.
I did say that. I firmly believe that. How can people ignore the vast difference between a transwoman who was born with severe GID, had severe problems because she acted like a girl, was reprimanded for being feminine, was never 'one of the guys', and whose emotional growth was severely stunted because she could not grow up, she could not be a man, she could not fit into the world of men, etc, etc, etc.
and
A transwoman who admits she felt very little to no GID, never thought about it much, displayed no gender varience (trying on mom's dress once or twice doesn't count), had a perfectly normal childhood aside from maybe an occasional thought that they wished they could wear what the girls' wear or look like a girl, etc. Had a perfectly normal life as a man, was accepted as a man by other men and was a successful family man?
The argument that the latter transwoman was 'stronger', 'of greater character', had a 'winning personality', had a 'high IQ', {insert excuse here}, is absolutely ludicrous and cruelly minimizes what the first transwoman had to go through because of her severe GID and gender varience.
I don't understand why so many transwomen like the latter feel the need to claim a label they don't fit. I mean a Primary had the experience they had, a Secondary had the experience they had. What the hell is the big deal about admitting that there are different types of transsexuals?
Why in Sam's Hill would a Secondary be
jealous that they didn't experience severe soul crushing childhood GID and the inevitable consequences of not being able to 'fake' their birth gender?
That makes absolutely no sense to me. Do Secondaries think Primaries wanted it that way? I sure as hell didn't want it that way. I spent every single day of my life wondering why I might as well be an alien from another planet. Desperately envious of normal kids. I would have sold my soul to have a normal childhood. I was denied everything I ever wanted. I would have given anything to be a normal kid. Or at least treated like one.
I seriously doubt that if a fairy godmother appeared to a Secondary and showed them the future and said right now you're Secondary, but if I change you now to a Primary, you will go through living hell, never experience even a somewhat normal childhood, be denied a proper education, and be hounded about your gender varient behaviour up until your time of transition, but for all this you will win the Primary badge! After all, that's all that's important to a TS.
The Primary badge! You can wear it proudly, and let everyone know how elitist and superior and more of a man/woman you are because you're PRIMARY! Congratulations, kid. You've just hit the jackpot! What do you say?
Shall I wave my wand and make you a Primary?
I seriously doubt any kid would choose that. I mean would anyone go through that in order to not be called Secondary?
Incidentally, there are exceptions to every rule. There are several members here who do not fit the 'severe GID and inability to assimilate rule' but who are in fact Primary.
This is due to the fact they are wood sprites - female spirit beings born into human bodies.
A wood sprite exudes a powerful female aura and enchants everyone she meets. No one can find much fault with a wood sprite thus her ability to live undetected. This ability is not exclusive to TS wood sprites. Non-TS wood sprites are able to live undetected as normal women.
Few have the rare ability to detect a wood sprite.
