Quote from: DeclanQ on December 18, 2013, 06:33:14 PM
Saying that is going to get the same reactions you'd get if you went to an LGBT board and were talking about wanting to "cure" homosexuality.

Yes, it probably would attract some negativity, but they'd be mistaken for doing so. It's all about context. I didn't say that I believe being TG can be "cured", just that I would like to know if it is. I also didn't come onto these boards to be an arsehole and deliberately stir up ->-bleeped-<- by saying, I don't know, that being TG is all in your head. I also stated quite clearly that I was not generalising and only referring to my own experience of being trans. As a trans person, if I'm not free to talk about my own issues in my own way, then I don't see the point of this site. I don't know why expressing my own needs and desires should be so controversial.

Quote from: DeclanQ on December 18, 2013, 06:33:14 PM

The problem is with the body, not the brain. Who you are is never a problem. Depression is not "who you are," anxiety is not "who you are," but your very gender identity... that's a different story.

That's your reality and I genuinely respect it.
However, I haven't seen anything that supports what your saying, which goes to the heart of the point I was so carefully trying to make. As I said, it all depends on what your attitude is toward your being TG. If you are happy with it, then most likely you're not going to question it much. If, on the other hand, you're like me and are at odds with it, then you're going to be questioning being trans a lot more.

QuoteYes, it probably would attract some negativity, but they'd be mistaken for doing so. It's all about context. I didn't say that I believe being TG can be "cured", just that I would like to know if it is. I also didn't come onto these boards to be an arsehole and deliberately stir up ->-bleeped-<- by saying, I don't know, that being TG is all in your head. I also stated quite clearly that I was not generalising and only referring to my own experience of being trans. As a trans person, if I'm not free to talk about my own issues in my own way, then I don't see the point of this site. I don't know why expressing my own needs and desires should be so controversial.

Well, you can express your opinion if you'd like, but you can't be surprised when other people are frustrated with it. You have the freedom to share your thoughts, but so do we.

QuoteThat's your reality and I genuinely respect it.
However, I haven't seen anything that supports what your saying, which goes to the heart of the point I was so carefully trying to make. As I said, it all depends on what your attitude is toward your being TG. If you are happy with it, then most likely you're not going to question it much. If, on the other hand, you're like me and are at odds with it, then you're going to be questioning being trans a lot more.

There's nothing that supports the idea that it's just in your head and can be cured, either. There are certainly people who believed they were transgender and really aren't, and were suffering from some other kind of problem, but that's a different story. I'm not happy with it at all, I see it as a huge defect and a serious problem, but it's my body that's the problem, not who I am, who my soul is, and how my brain has been my entire life. I understand everyone has different experiences but if you're legitimately transgender, the only "treatment" is to match your body with your brain. If you "cure" your brain, you're losing yourself and are no longer the same person. It's not the case if you change your body. Our bodies have nothing to do with who we are.

Quote from: DeclanQ on December 18, 2013, 07:01:27 PM

There's nothing that supports the idea that it's just in your head and can be cured, either.

I never said that there was. If you're going to comment on my posts at all at least do justice to the context of the points I make. All of my above posts are couched in my own desire to find out more about my being TG and how important this is to me (as opposed to it not being important to others). Nowhere am I judging or telling anyone to act or live in a particular way. Moreover, you should really have read my entire post -- where I do discuss the brain-in-wrong-body phenomenon -- rather than cherry picking decontextualised sections that you then go on to disagree with. Are you familiar with strawman arguments, because you sure know how to mount one?

Back to the thread then

When I was first coming out prior to HRT I tried to explain to people this way.  I know what i look like and that people see a guy.  That is not who I am and when i looked in the mirror it felt like only my eyes were my own.  I have not really ever felt like a boy or a guy as my shadow feminine self stayed.  I sucked it up and did the best I could with the material at hand.  A lifetime of denial and shame did little for my psyche.  I imagined all sorts of reasons for why, including the alien being thing.  No, I'm human and transgender and maybe some day they will map our very atomic structure well enough to know why.  Till then let's enjoy who we are and celebrate our community of survivors and thrivers.

Steps taken in my transition have continued to confirm my gender identity as female.  This is a great place to be with the best integration and peace I have ever known.

Quote from: Anatta on February 21, 2013, 10:16:42 PM
Kia Ora,

Just out of interest, why do you 'think' you are transgender?

Perhaps you think it's a god-thing? That is, a deity made you this way for a reason [perhaps to teach the righteous religious the art of tolerance, acceptance and compassion] ...

Or

Mother Nature trying to correct an imbalance of  male and female energies

Or

A biological blunder...

Or is your answer :

Don't know...but...

Or

Don't know and really don't care FULL STOP...

Or

Something else.............

For example an extraterrestrial scientific experiment on what they see as an inferior species    ...No wait...You might seriously be thinking this...

* Or is it Karma ? *

*  I guess in a sense it's the billion dollar question...*
Metta Zenda

The voices in my head tell me so....


How about you Kia Ora?

I like to think what makes me trans is the same thing that makes me weird... Magic

Quote from: Jenna Stannis on December 18, 2013, 07:14:05 PM
I never said that there was. If you're going to comment on my posts at all at least do justice to the context of the points I make. All of my above posts are couched in my own desire to find out more about my being TG and how important this is to me (as opposed to it not being important to others). Nowhere am I judging or telling anyone to act or live in a particular way. Moreover, you should really have read my entire post -- where I do discuss the brain-in-wrong-body phenomenon -- rather than cherry picking decontextualised sections that you then go on to disagree with. Are you familiar with strawman arguments, because you sure know how to mount one?

I did read your whole post. My understanding is that you would rather not transition and would instead rather "cure" your brain so you are no longer transgender. If that's not what you meant and I misunderstood you, then I apologize. Edit: Reread your posts a few more times and I really don't think I misunderstood, especially since you didn't respond to this. Ah well, I still apologize if I was wrong.

Quote from: Tessa James on December 18, 2013, 07:57:08 PM

A lifetime of denial and shame did little for my psyche.

Perhaps a little surprisingly, I've never felt any shame about being TG. I kept it secret, yes, but that was so I could get on with my chosen lifestyle. But, yeah, I've never sat there feeling guilty and shameful and beating myself up about it.

Denial? Hm... Well, there's no denying that I'm TG, that much I've always understood (except during the early years when I had no idea what trans meant and therefore had no reason to question it). However, I don't think understanding is synonymous with acceptance.

Ah the no true transsexual fallacy...

No transsexual can be "cured"

If someone stops being TS, they weren't truly TS.

Quote from: particle on December 19, 2013, 02:45:07 PM

If someone stops being TS, they weren't truly TS.

Ah, back to the Salem Witch Trials, where the innocent drown and the guilty float to face punishment.

As if it were not hard enough coping with my gender dysphoria, I have to contend with this kind of backward thinking as well.

Quote from: Jenna Stannis on December 19, 2013, 04:02:54 PM
Ah, back to the Salem Witch Trials, where the innocent drown and the guilty float to face punishment.

As if it were not hard enough coping with my gender dysphoria, I have to contend with this kind of backward thinking as well.

How is that "backward thinking" while what you're saying is not? Not meaning to sound sarcastic, it's a legitimate question.

I was pointing out one of the fallacies of trans otthodoxy.

I thought I was agreeing with you a little.

So far I've said that it's all in our heads and that a lot of the definitions are tautological.  If anyone is getting killed it's me.

Ifyu this a philosophical argument, I'm fine with how GID is usually treated.

Quote from: DCQ on December 19, 2013, 04:19:23 PM
How is that "backward thinking" while what you're saying is not? Not meaning to sound sarcastic, it's a legitimate question.

That depends on what you think I'm saying.

Quote from: peky on December 18, 2013, 08:05:34 PM
The voices in my head tell me so....


How about you Kia Ora?

Kia Ora Peky,

Cut and Pasted from old post:

"I see the world through karmic eyes, for this to happen that must happen- and for that to happen-this must happen...
Karma is just karma, there's no magic involved...

On a spiritual level, I was born transgender because of past karma,[action=energy...energy=action...matter/form =vibrating energy] and on a scientific level karma is also involved, ie possible hormonal imbalance or other biological defects/blunders...

However, regardless of the hows and whys, I have just accepted this was[in the past] the case and now get on with living my life..."

* Just putting on my white mental health clinician's coat and gesturing to my assistant to have the straight jacket at the ready*   Now tell me Peky, how long have you been 'hearing" these voices ? 

Metta Zenda

Quote from: Anatta on December 19, 2013, 09:27:32 PM
Kia Ora Peky,

Cut and Pasted from old post:

"I see the world through karmic eyes, for this to happen that must happen- and for that to happen-this must happen...
Karma is just karma, there's no magic involved...

On a spiritual level, I was born transgender because of past karma,[action=energy...energy=action...matter/form =vibrating energy] and on a scientific level karma is also involved, ie possible hormonal imbalance or other biological defects/blunders...

However, regardless of the hows and whys, I have just accepted this was[in the past] the case and now get on with living my life..."

* Just putting on my white mental health clinician's coat and gesturing to my assistant to have the straight jacket at the ready*   Now tell me Peky, how long have you been 'hearing" these voices ? 

Metta Zenda

Oh, girl, twe (the voices and I) we go long way back...

<running away from the people in the white coats>


But serious...how do you know?

Quote from: peky on December 20, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
Oh, girl, twe (the voices and I) we go long way back...

<running away from the people in the white coats>


But serious...how do you know?

Kia Ora Peky,

If your question is directed specifically at myself  "How did I know ?"

At first I had a suspicion that I could/might be transgender, but I would have to say I 'knew' for sure after my doctor wrote out the first prescription and without hesitation I popped the pill (and have been a happy pill popper ever since)...Plus my congenital condition was later confirmed by a psychiatrist (well more than one actually)-So I've been certified sane on more than one occasion 

However how I came to suffer from the transgender condition , I really don't care about the how and why, I just accepted what 'is', afterwhich I made the most of it...

I hope this answers your question Peky...

Metta Zenda

Thanks Anatta!

So the questions you posted is; " Why do you think you are 'transgender ?"

My serious answer is because I have this innate and self-generated thought and feeling that tells me: "I am a female" despite having a male genitalia and XY chromosomal complement.

This innate unshakable conviction has been with me since I can remember

Its a blessing, a gift from God. Wether you believe or not, ur still gonna have these feelings, so i decided to change my outlook on it. I used to hate God for it, but now i praise him for it! It has given me an incredible insight to the female mindset. Im not one for boasting, but i can say honestly that many women wish they could be more like me. With the ability to breakdown "social" genders and determine the root cause of ones problem. People always come to me for advice because of this, and im only 22 years young... Far from a wise woman, yet incredibly insightful to the human soul. Had i not been born this way, i honestly belive i would be a  racist, sexist, bigot just like most of my male family.  And this world  dosent need more of those!

Just to play Devil's advocate here (I'm sure someone will tell me whether I'm out of line), what do we mean when we say that we "have insight into the female mindset", or variations on that theme?