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MeghanAndrews

Hey Everyone,
So I have been quite a bit of thought lately to where I want to settle down. I have quite a few friends in Portland and they have just raved about the city. I wanted to get your feedback on what your thoughts are on Portland. I know Melissa and several other people either live there or have lived there. What are some of the advantages and disadvantages of living there? What's the weather like? I'm coming from Southern California but spent most of my years back East in four seasons so I think I could get used to four seasons again. How are the people? How is Portland from a TG perspective? Well, let me know :) Meghan
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Melissa

Personally, I think it's one of the best places in the country to transition.  There are laws to protect gender identity in Portland (and a new state-wide one was recently passed).  There is easy access to lots of resources.  If you don't pass well, most people are accepting of you.  It's one of the few places in the country where the gay community accepts and embraces the T community.  If you are attracted to women, Portland is one of (if not THE) largest lesbian cities in the country.  It's not nearly as tough to pass in Portland as it is in San Francisco (from what I hear), but it has all of the advantages.  There are lots of pine trees, it rains more (but not as much as some people exaggerate), there's a good mass transit system, etc.  Weather is probably rainy about 50% of the time, with a lot of the remainder being sunny.  It usually snows just once a year or so.  Hopefully that will help.
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MeghanAndrews

Thanks Melissa! That really helps me out. I haven't talked to anyone who has lived in Portland and NOT liked it.
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Thundra

QuoteThanks Melissa! That really helps me out. I haven't talked to anyone who has lived in Portland and NOT liked it.

Sorry to rain on your parade. Here is the other side.

If you are from back east, and lived in fast-paced SoCal, than you are in for a shock when you come here. Half the people are either drunk or stoned 90% of the time, and the other half are passive-aggressive and easily perturbed and act disturbed a lot of the time. Lots of people come here to escape something, and then get caught up in the energy of the city. It's like a nexus of negative energy. Lots of folks that like to take advantage of your good nature, or live off of other people.

If you want four seasons, this ain't the place for you. Maybe two and a quarter seasons. Raining, not raining, and summer. Summer usually lasts about a solid three months, the only time you will see the sun all year. The rest of the time it is either raining, or super duper overcast ~ sometimes daytime is like dusk, the clouds are so thick. It snows maybe two days a year here - actually, more like 'ices' two days a year. A half inch of frozen anything and the city shuts down, which is a good idea because of the hilly topography, and the fact that Portlanders cannot drive.

Worst drivers I have ever seen. Seriously. I have driven a tractor trailer through many states and the drivers in Portland would fail the driving test just about anywhere I've been. Horrid. Plus you have the militant walkers, joggers, and especially bicyclists to deal with. They will ride, run, and step right in front of you and expect you to stop at their whim. They are suicidal.

Speaking of suicidal, PDX has one of the highest suicide rates in the country. People live on coffee, and Meth is a huge problem here. Portlanders consume more "coffee per capita" than people in Seattle. People get depressed by the weather and try to find any means to climb out of their depression. By the end of Spring, everyone is losing their mind, waiting for the sun to come back. It doesn't usually arrive and stay until late June to early July. This year, it's even more fickle. Worst summer since I moved here.

While the SE part of town where I dwell is known for it's dykes, lipstick lesbo's, dykes with dogs and every other category you can think of, Gay men really rule here. There is a whole section of downtown known as the Burnside triangle where men traditionally congregate to go at it with each other. I will say this for PDX. I've never been a place before where you can't go anywhere without bumping into someone or something that 'says queer.' There is a huge network of transfolk all over the place. They actually have a following in the str8 community. Couples looking for a third, gay guys that want a butt buddy, and then there is the '->-bleeped-<-' phenomenon. At one point a few years ago, there were almost as many ads for she-males in the local alternative rags as there were for regular call girls. Never seen anything like that before I moved here either, and I used to get around Manhattan back before Guillianni.

PDX is also known for it's strip clubs and bars. Supposedly, more per capita than anywhere else in amerika. I think the reason that queers and str8's get along so well here is because everyone is more interested in getting high or getting off than about any kind of discrimination. There are some rather rabid white supremicists and christian holier than thou folks around the outlying areas, but for the most part, if you stay in the city, you are safe.

Portland is also the least diverse place I have ever been. It is scary, Wonder-Bread, cover your eyes in the summer because fat white bellied people are going to blind you in the sun!
Most people here are overweight and many are proud of that fact. Now, back to temperment for a moment. People 'act' really polite, but many do not mean it, and if you question anything they say or do, or even give the slightest hint that you are being disagreeable with them, they will shut you out. Many people have chip on their shoulder, and publically disagreing with someone is seen as abject criticism. You have to walk on eggshells to be sure not to get anyone riled up, or to keep from insulting anyone.

I think a lot of it has to do with the cycle of caffeine binge and depletion regimen most people follow here. They are moody. I don't mean like 'bitchy' the way Tink jokes about it. I mean like psychotically moody ~ up and down moody ~ laughing and then crying moody. I think most of the population is mentally disturbed. I think that is why so many queer and transitioning people like it here. The 'normal' people are so nuts, they make the GLBT people look absolutely stable in comparison.

I think PDX is a good place to visit, and maybe even live for a while. I am glad that I spent my time here. No regrets. But don't stay too long, or you will lose the ability to function in the real world. I think that PDX would be an ideal climate for kids on the west coast looking for a place to work, network, study, and yes, transition. But then you need to get the hell out.

I am moving south in the near future to be amongst people that are a bit more emotionally stable. And where the sun shines, and it gets hot in the summer and stays that way. Portland is weird, and has it's charm, but it's no place to settle down IMO.

Oh, and one last thing.  Never, ever, ever say anything negative about Portland or Portlanders in public. You will not be admonished ~ you will be excoriated and isolated. Seriously.
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Melissa

Well, a lot of what Thundra says has some truth to it, although I've never personally experienced some of it.  Of course I have lived here for half my life now, so maybe I'm just used to it.  For the most part, I just hang out with the straight people and I do spend most of my time in Vancouver (just north of Portland in WA), so that may affect my experience as well.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PM
Half the people are either drunk or stoned 90% of the time, and the other half are passive-aggressive and easily perturbed and act disturbed a lot of the time.
And which half are you in Thundra?  I'm in neither half.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMIf you want four seasons, this ain't the place for you. Maybe two and a quarter seasons. Raining, not raining, and summer. Summer usually lasts about a solid three months, the only time you will see the sun all year. The rest of the time it is either raining, or super duper overcast ~ sometimes daytime is like dusk, the clouds are so thick. It snows maybe two days a year here - actually, more like 'ices' two days a year. A half inch of frozen anything and the city shuts down, which is a good idea because of the hilly topography, and the fact that Portlanders cannot drive.
Well, that may be a bit of an exaggeration.  The sun was out plenty during the spring (albeit inconsistently) and many times the sunshine lasts well into Oct/Nov.  True though that when it snows, there's usually plenty of ice.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMWorst drivers I have ever seen. Seriously. I have driven a tractor trailer through many states and the drivers in Portland would fail the driving test just about anywhere I've been. Horrid. Plus you have the militant walkers, joggers, and especially bicyclists to deal with. They will ride, run, and step right in front of you and expect you to stop at their whim. They are suicidal.
Lol, yeah.  And when you slam on your breaks to keep from hitting them, they give you an angry scowl.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMSpeaking of suicidal, PDX has one of the highest suicide rates in the country. People live on coffee, and Meth is a huge problem here. Portlanders consume more "coffee per capita" than people in Seattle. People get depressed by the weather and try to find any means to climb out of their depression. By the end of Spring, everyone is losing their mind, waiting for the sun to come back. It doesn't usually arrive and stay until late June to early July. This year, it's even more fickle. Worst summer since I moved here.
Ah, so you count summer as the sun "staying out".  That's true then.  I actually rarely drink coffee anymore though.  I like to avoid caffeine.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PM
While the SE part of town where I dwell is known for it's dykes, lipstick lesbo's, dykes with dogs and every other category you can think of, Gay men really rule here. There is a whole section of downtown known as the Burnside triangle where men traditionally congregate to go at it with each other. I will say this for PDX. I've never been a place before where you can't go anywhere without bumping into someone or something that 'says queer.' There is a huge network of transfolk all over the place. They actually have a following in the str8 community. Couples looking for a third, gay guys that want a butt buddy, and then there is the '->-bleeped-<-' phenomenon. At one point a few years ago, there were almost as many ads for she-males in the local alternative rags as there were for regular call girls.
Hmm, I didn't know that.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMPDX is also known for it's strip clubs and bars. Supposedly, more per capita than anywhere else in amerika. I think the reason that queers and str8's get along so well here is because everyone is more interested in getting high or getting off than about any kind of discrimination. There are some rather rabid white supremicists and christian holier than thou folks around the outlying areas, but for the most part, if you stay in the city, you are safe.
Hmm, I didn't know that either.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMMost people here are overweight and many are proud of that fact.
Hmm, I guess.  Maybe half of the people.  I don't know anybody proud of it.  Fortunately my height tends to make me look thinner and I am trying to get as small as possible.  Anyhow, more overweight people makes it easier to beat the competition in the looks department. ;) 

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMNow, back to temperment for a moment. People 'act' really polite, but many do not mean it, and if you question anything they say or do, or even give the slightest hint that you are being disagreeable with them, they will shut you out. Many people have chip on their shoulder, and publically disagreing with someone is seen as abject criticism. You have to walk on eggshells to be sure not to get anyone riled up, or to keep from insulting anyone.
That's not my experience, but ok.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMI think a lot of it has to do with the cycle of caffeine binge and depletion regimen most people follow here. They are moody. I don't mean like 'bitchy' the way Tink jokes about it. I mean like psychotically moody ~ up and down moody ~ laughing and then crying moody. I think most of the population is mentally disturbed. I think that is why so many queer and transitioning people like it here. The 'normal' people are so nuts, they make the GLBT people look absolutely stable in comparison.
Again, that's not my experience.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMI think PDX is a good place to visit, and maybe even live for a while. I am glad that I spent my time here. No regrets. But don't stay too long, or you will lose the ability to function in the real world. I think that PDX would be an ideal climate for kids on the west coast looking for a place to work, network, study, and yes, transition. But then you need to get the hell out.
Well, maybe when I feel it's time to look for another job I might do that.  That would make stealth easier at least.  Then again I still want to see my kids regularly.  Anyhow, like I said, it's great for transition, but maybe Thundra's right in that it may be time to move on soon.  At least after SRS.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PMI am moving south in the near future to be amongst people that are a bit more emotionally stable. And where the sun shines, and it gets hot in the summer and stays that way. Portland is weird, and has it's charm, but it's no place to settle down IMO.
Some people *are* happy here.  I suppose it depends on your personality.  I know many people who have left and after years they felt drawn back.

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PM
Oh, and one last thing.  Never, ever, ever say anything negative about Portland or Portlanders in public. You will not be admonished ~ you will be excoriated and isolated. Seriously.
Hmm, I never tried that, but I guess you just did. ;)
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Thundra

QuoteWell, a lot of what Thundra says has some truth to it, although I've never personally experienced some of it.  Of course I have lived here for half my life now, so maybe I'm just used to it.  For the most part, I just hang out with the straight people and I do spend most of my time in Vancouver (just north of Portland in WA), so that may affect my experience as well.

Exactly dear. You are from Vantucky.  ::)  All the other people can talk amongst themselves while Melissa glares at me for a moment. LOL.

Actually, people from Wash. state do seem to have a rather different attitude than PDXers, which is where the term Vantucky comes from. Portlanders see to hate their cousins from the north. Vancouver is kinda like a richer suburb of Portland across the big river.

You visit, but you go home after you visit, so you don't necessarily see the nasty underbelly of the PDX experience. Plus you are such the good girl. Even if you lived over here, we'd probably rarely bump elbows anywhere. I'm ghetto and you are more the lady.

Portlanders are whacked IMO, but like I said, it can be a decent place to live on the west coast, especially if you have little money, or want to go to school. PSU, the PCC's, Reed, Lewis and Clark come to mind. Then you have OSU in Corvallis an hour away, and U of O in Eugene two hours south. Now, if you want to relive the 70's, go to Eugene. Still alive and well down there.
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DRAIN

i saw this and had to reply. i've visited pdx a total of like...4 months, and there are good and bad sides as with anything ^^

pros: awesome lgbt community. i've gone to the last 2 pride's and yay. liberal, artsy, beautiful, "green", good public transit, people seem nice, and here's not too much crime
cons: people seem pretentious and holier-than-though (about everything), and i get the feeling that everyone is just out for themselves.  and yeah, lots of potheads. oh, and i was there over a month and couldn't find a job, someone i've talked to that moved the same time i did (mid may) still doesn't have a job to my knowledge. (i "moved" and then came back home due to several circumstances)

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PM
Half the people are either drunk or stoned 90% of the time, and the other half are passive-aggressive and easily perturbed and act disturbed a lot of the time. Lots of people come here to escape something, and then get caught up in the energy of the city. It's like a nexus of negative energy. Lots of folks that like to take advantage of your good nature, or live off of other people.

i noticed that too

Quote from: Thundra on July 30, 2007, 10:15:38 PM
Most people here are overweight and many are proud of that fact.

actually i thought the opposite, of course i'm from VA, lots o fat southerners here (me being one of them lmao)

QuoteYou have to walk on eggshells to be sure not to get anyone riled up, or to keep from insulting anyone.

my ex (native portlander) would always tell me i wasn't politically correct enough. pshhhh

QuoteOh, and one last thing.  Never, ever, ever say anything negative about Portland or Portlanders in public. You will not be admonished ~ you will be excoriated and isolated. Seriously.

LOL there's a whole portland livejournal community, and an entire community related to snarking posts from that community. and a drinking game to snark posts. and....yeah. i have to agree, nice place to visit but idunno if i'd want to live there for long. A+ for community and general liberalism though
-=geboren um zu leben=-



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Melissa

Quote from: Thundra on August 01, 2007, 12:06:14 AM
Exactly dear. You are from Vantucky.  ::)  All the other people can talk amongst themselves while Melissa glares at me for a moment. LOL.
Nah, I'm not glaring.

Quote from: Thundra on August 01, 2007, 12:06:14 AM
Actually, people from Wash. state do seem to have a rather different attitude than PDXers, which is where the term Vantucky comes from. Portlanders see to hate their cousins from the north. Vancouver is kinda like a richer suburb of Portland across the big river.
Ok, but the cost of living isn't really more though.  I do think it's a nicer town and from what I've heard, less crime that Portland (in certain areas).

Quote from: Thundra on August 01, 2007, 12:06:14 AM
You visit, but you go home after you visit, so you don't necessarily see the nasty underbelly of the PDX experience. Plus you are such the good girl. Even if you lived over here, we'd probably rarely bump elbows anywhere. I'm ghetto and you are more the lady.
Thank you.  You are probably correct about it being unlikely we would bump into each other.

Quote from: Thundra on August 01, 2007, 12:06:14 AM
Portlanders are whacked IMO, but like I said, it can be a decent place to live on the west coast, especially if you have little money, or want to go to school. PSU, the PCC's, Reed, Lewis and Clark come to mind. Then you have OSU in Corvallis an hour away, and U of O in Eugene two hours south. Now, if you want to relive the 70's, go to Eugene. Still alive and well down there.
Lol, I went down to Eugene a week and a half ago for the first time.  That's funny. :)

Quote from: DRAIN on August 01, 2007, 12:47:04 AM
...and yeah, lots of potheads.
Yep, that's true.  I know a bunch of those people.
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Andrew

I think Portland's great! We have a great queer newspaper (JustOut), and just about all of the newspapers in town are gay-friendly or have a queer column/section. We also have a GLBT yellow pages and lots of support groups. Heck, we were one of the first states to start allowing gay marriages (though, as in SF, they were eventually invalidated). I see gay and trans people everywhere. (Of course, my gaydar is exeptionally good).

Other great things about Portland: great public transportation, good food, friendly people. (Jake's Grill has some great bisque, and I've heard legends about Voodoo Donuts.)

(Funny thing I saw the other day. You know "flagging"? Well, I didn't think that existed anymore, what with gay culture going into the mainstream, but I saw a couple of guys walking down the street the other day. They had dreadlocks, and I thought, well, they must be Rastafarians. They were dressed very...colorfully. They passed me and I saw two camo-print handkerchiefs sticking prominently out of each of their back pockets. Odd. I thought it went out in the 1950s.)
Lock up yer daughters.
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Andrew

QuoteAt one point a few years ago, there were almost as many ads for she-males in the local alternative rags as there were for regular call girls. Never seen anything like that before I moved here either, and I used to get around Manhattan back before Guillianni.

Oh, you mean the Portland Mercury! I always found the call girl ads charming. :-*

I guess Portland's all in how you look at it! :D :D :D
Lock up yer daughters.
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melissa90299

PDX? Isn't that the airport code? I noticed people here refer to San Francisco as SFO. SFO is the airport, not the city. The airport code for Phuket International is HKT. Should I refer to Phuket as HKT? I think Tokyo is NRT. Narita. Of course, Tokyo has more than one airport so do other cities, what do you do then?
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Thundra

QuotePDX? Isn't that the airport code? I noticed people here refer to San Francisco as SFO. SFO is the airport, not the city. The airport code for Phuket International is HKT. Should I refer to Phuket as HKT? I think Tokyo is NRT. Narita. Of course, Tokyo has more than one airport so do other cities, what do you do then?

Ahhhh, the feisty one is back! LOL.

It's a local thing doll. PDX this and PDX that. Who knows where it comes from?

I dunno about the two airport deal. I doubt that in most cities big enough to have two airports that they could ever even see the whole city as one identity? Like New Yawkors. It is not NYC, it is the Bronx, or Queens or Long Island, etc. It's too big to be called by any one name.

Didja raise hell in Bangkok yet?
There are more people in Manhattan than in the whole flippin' state of Oregon.
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melissa90299

I was held hostage by a cab driver for two hours who couldn't find Shela's I wound upat some other place that was way too loud, wnt to the biker bar next door where I did run into a couple interesting women.

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Keira


Of course I know SFO is the airport, those codes are convenient abbreviation. YUL is montreal's abbreviation, very strange since it has nothing to do with any city name. In cities with tons of airports like london, it can get a bit confusing.
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mallard500

Quote from: Andrew on August 03, 2007, 04:41:17 PM
(Funny thing I saw the other day. You know "flagging"? Well, I didn't think that existed anymore, what with gay culture going into the mainstream, but I saw a couple of guys walking down the street the other day. They had dreadlocks, and I thought, well, they must be Rastafarians. They were dressed very...colorfully. They passed me and I saw two camo-print handkerchiefs sticking prominently out of each of their back pockets. Odd. I thought it went out in the 1950s.)

Actually, no... not in the Leather community anyway.  While it's not as common as in the 80's or 90's, it's still seen, esp amoung the more 'traditional' or Old Guard folks.  Nothing wrong with communication, after all... might as well advertise if you're actively looking for something in particular.   ;)

Scott
Mallard500


Posted on: August 04, 2007, 11:35:30 PM
Quote from: MeghanAndrews on July 30, 2007, 12:08:48 PM
Hey Everyone,
So I have been quite a bit of thought lately to where I want to settle down. I have quite a few friends in Portland and they have just raved about the city. I wanted to get your feedback on what your thoughts are on Portland. I know Melissa and several other people either live there or have lived there. What are some of the advantages and disadvantages of living there? What's the weather like? I'm coming from Southern California but spent most of my years back East in four seasons so I think I could get used to four seasons again. How are the people? How is Portland from a TG perspective? Well, let me know :) Meghan


On the whole, I'll gladly echo the positive feedback on Portland expressed on other posts in this thread.  While there's some truth in what was said about the self-absorbed smugness and 'better than thou' attitude that some Portlanders have, I'd prefer that to a city where there were no passions or political activity.

The reason some people are pretty passionate about their beliefs is because many people in Portland live their beliefs... they realize that their day to day actions are part of their politics - the personal IS the political.  That's one of the reasons why Portland is more accepting of TS folk than other places, in my opinion.

That aside, I've been in Portland since 1981, escaping from Montana, where I was born and raised.  I love the fact that Portland is a larger city, with all that offers, yet in many ways, still can still have the positive things of a small town.
It's got a good music and night life scene; lot's of fine arts; the mountains are close by, and it's in easy driving distance of the coast.   

I don't do well with heat, so Portland temperate climate is great for me - the summers are much cooler than many cities, and usually only have a couple of weeks where it's above 90 degrees F.  On the other hand, I enjoy escaping Montana's harsh winters - I usually don't even wear a winter coat here; all you generally need is a light jacket, (or suit jacket and tie in my case, when going to work), or a sweater.  It seldom snows, and when it does, it doesn't usually last more than a day or two.  The occasional ice storms can be treacherous, esp. since as noted, people here don't know how to drive in winter conditions. 

In terms of seasons, Portland does have a Fall, though short.  Winter and Spring however, are kind of hard to tell from eachother.  That's fine though, as  Spring often has long breaks of surprisingly warm dry weather, gently sliding into Summer.

The people here are laid back compared to, say Southern Calf, or the East Coast, and the conversation slower, but that's fine with me.  And while Oregon has a real meth problem, I don't believe that the general population is any more stoned or drunk than most places.

Yes, Portland loves its coffee (I don't drink coffee myself), and apparently its Strip Clubs (I've long read that stat about how many we have here), but it's no problem.  I'm just glad to live in a place with strong laws (City and County, perhaps soon to be State), protecting GLBT rights.  I'm out as a Transman at work, in a Call Center with some 800 people - and not only is the company supportive, but so are all my co-workers.  I don't know if that would be the case in other parts of the country.

There's a very strong Gay/Les/Bi community, and it's very together with the Trans community - they take the "T" in GLBT literally, not just as lip service.  So anyway, that's one persons take on Portland - check it out, I think you'll like it!
:)

Scott
Mallard500
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