I've heard that T can increase libido and maybe mine has increased, but I can't really tell so it can't be by much. But can it increase, er, feelings? Like not necessarily wanting to have sex with someone, but wanting to be near them, wanting to touch them in a non-sexual way, caring about them, and wanting to protect them kind of emotional stuff? The reason I ask is because I haven't had anything like this for a few years and it's kind of odd.

Also, can T make people feel more comfortable? Because that would explain some things.

In my case, T has made me even more emotionally constipated. I've never been the one to throw hugs and cuddles all around me but nowadays it seems like I need to remind myself that it would be a good idea to give my fiancée a hug every now and then, lol.
In that way, I'm becoming a stereotypical man. |D

And yes, I feel more comfortable. About life, about my body, about myself. Pretty much about everything.

T is not known to increase any form of emotional feelings.as a matter of fact the opposite.because of the difference in men and woman,the hormones are ment to image those differences.men ebing physical and mental beings,T increases this.we become stronger,faster,more stable in said ways but we also become harder,less emotional (of course we have emotions but we express them differently) woman being emotional and logical beings,their hormones (E) also increase this.they are emotional,embracing,loving,forgiving.men and woman make up each side of a coin and make each other whole.that being said,it could be just that you are more comfortable with yourself.for me,T did and does make me feel better because that is the hormone I was made to have (personal opinion) and anything else makes me sick.you will see an increase in sex drive (attraction,sexual simulation) among other phsyical changes and semi loss of the emotional side.its all normal and I'm glad you are more in tune with yourself

Ok. I was just wondering because, for some reason, I've had an increase (change anyway- I went from paranoid to being able to care about people) in the emotional side for some reason. Mostly in a good way I think (certainly healthier or so I've been told). It's just odd and I don't know what's causing it. Maybe it is related to the fact that I feel more comfortable.

Quote from: Edge on January 10, 2014, 05:15:27 PM
Ok. I was just wondering because, for some reason, I've had an increase (change anyway- I went from paranoid to being able to care about people) in the emotional side for some reason. Mostly in a good way I think (certainly healthier or so I've been told). It's just odd and I don't know what's causing it. Maybe it is related to the fact that I feel more comfortable.

I was gonna say it might also be that you are just happier overall with the person you have become and are more open to these things. I know it usually isn't the norm but honestly I think everyone's journey is different. Some people think they are going to hulk out when they get on T because of aggression. A lot of guys have proven it actually mellows you out. I think everyone is different and you can't always go by what is happening to everyone else! Glad that you feel like you are developing as a person

Thanks.

Quote from: nexusnick on January 10, 2014, 07:14:08 PM
I was gonna say it might also be that you are just happier overall with the person you have become and are more open to these things. I know it usually isn't the norm but honestly I think everyone's journey is different. Some people think they are going to hulk out when they get on T because of aggression. A lot of guys have proven it actually mellows you out. I think everyone is different and you can't always go by what is happening to everyone else! Glad that you feel like you are developing as a person

Thank you for echoing what needed to be said as I agree being comfortable and accpeting of ones self does lead to a happier life but I somewhat disagree with the rest of your statement.the results I posted are not typical,sadly they are fact and you can find the effects and changes that T brings normally.anything beyond this is conciderded not exaclty normal.of course everyone 'reacts' to these changes differently (to the hormone its self) and their changes will be more sever then others 'hulking out' turning into some cold blood thirsty monster lmfao.T only mellows one out mentally and sometimes physically (depending) and this can happen with say,people like me who 'physically' can't sustaine E and mentally those who are tormented 'which in a sense I was too' but ththat is completely different from the changes I was speaking of.its better for someone to expect the norm then the extreme so when either does take place,they know when to be alert and when to enjoy it.

Chaos, I find those statements dubious considering what I currently know of biology.

I agree with nick and it is probably just connected to happiness and being comfortable overall.

I redid this messges for a few reasons.

It appears that the advice/statements I have given have not only been seen as false but you (the op) seem to already know all this.which makes me wonder about the point behind the thread but that's none of my business.I will restate what I said in the posts above in a VERY clear way so they can not be misunderstood or claimed to be false.

1) I had already stated that I agree with nick and that it IS due to being comfortable and happybwith self.that was made clear.
2) I stated that ALL who take T for an extended amount of time,will receive the exact same traits from it.as those who 'know biology' will also know that men have 3 distinct traits and that sets their masculinity apart.strength,brain and lack of emotion.I do not care if your male,female,black,white.idc who or what you are-if taking T for an extended amount of time,you WILL receive these traits.
3) I stated that after receiving said traits,their EXTENT can vary but NOT the fact you receive them.if anyone claims that 'you can take T and never get an increase in sexual drive cause it varies' does not know what they are talking about because that is one traits of a male that can not be avoided.the extent will vary yes.it can be eithe strong,mild,light but you WILL have it.the same goes with every other trait that is male.they will think more with the brain and less with the heart.I said LESS not non existant.

I'm sorry if the facts I stated had pissed someone off but I ain't gonna lead people on to think something that's not true.either way,good luck.

I asked because I am a little confused as to why the emotions I have been feeling recently have changed so drastically in such a short period of time including a huge change for me that began when I took my increased T dose and was very much unexpected. Does that make sense?

1) I agree with all of what Nick said and what we currently know of the human brain, it makes complete sense. No two humans react/process things exactly the same way to same things and that includes chemicals (ex: hormones), experiences, and emotions (ex: emotional changes on T).
2) That's probably true (at least to an extent) and I'm not arguing it. What I was saying is that everyone is different which is what you claimed you didn't agree with.
3) I don't think anyone ever said never. However, it doesn't erase the fact that the changes I have seen so far in myself include barely any libido change and more heart stuff. Which, as I've said, is what I was asking about since it confuses me and was sudden.
There is such a thing as guys without much libido which is not caused by a hormonal imbalance. I'm not saying I'm one of them since I really don't know, but they do exist.
4) I also have trouble reading your writing, so I may have missed some things, in which case, I apologize.

A new opinion here, being born male the difference I noticed when "T" was no longer flowing from me was this, I am human now. Maybe it was the fact my body should have never had "T" or fought against it, but it made me a completely different person than I am now. On "T" I was a moody, easily irritated bomb waiting to go off. I was hyper vigilant and would let things build up until the breaking point where I could and did destroy whole rooms. I went broke buying sheetrock to fix the walls all the time. I had no emotional connection to anyone or anything and was basically a terminator kind of robot or cyborg. Sex had no meaning except self fulfillment, colors were drab and dramatic things such as sunsets were totally ignored. My body also had a weird high pitched vibration all the time as well, weird.

That's interesting. That's how I felt off T: moody, emotionally unstable, easily irritated with a horrible temper, hyper vigilant, paranoid, no emotional connection to anyone, etc.
While I'm here, I just want to say wow. I suspected that my brain would function better on T, but I couldn't have imagined how much. Even if I am abnormal. I even feel comfortable about the abnormalness.

Quote from: Chaos on January 11, 2014, 02:26:47 AM
I redid this messges for a few reasons.

It appears that the advice/statements I have given have not only been seen as false but you (the op) seem to already know all this.which makes me wonder about the point behind the thread but that's none of my business.I will restate what I said in the posts above in a VERY clear way so they can not be misunderstood or claimed to be false.

1) I had already stated that I agree with nick and that it IS due to being comfortable and happybwith self.that was made clear.
2) I stated that ALL who take T for an extended amount of time,will receive the exact same traits from it.as those who 'know biology' will also know that men have 3 distinct traits and that sets their masculinity apart.strength,brain and lack of emotion.I do not care if your male,female,black,white.idc who or what you are-if taking T for an extended amount of time,you WILL receive these traits.
3) I stated that after receiving said traits,their EXTENT can vary but NOT the fact you receive them.if anyone claims that 'you can take T and never get an increase in sexual drive cause it varies' does not know what they are talking about because that is one traits of a male that can not be avoided.the extent will vary yes.it can be eithe strong,mild,light but you WILL have it.the same goes with every other trait that is male.they will think more with the brain and less with the heart.I said LESS not non existant.

I'm sorry if the facts I stated had pissed someone off but I ain't gonna lead people on to think something that's not true.either way,good luck.

Hi Chaos,

I see what you are trying to say and maybe *most* guys experience increased libido, but after many years I really haven't. But I had a high libido before and think it's probably the guys with a lower one who experience the most change there. The only libido change I've noticed is that it doesn't get all crazy during a certain time of the month anymore (probably because a certain time of the month doesn't happen anymore lol). Really, my libido seemed more out of control on E with the hormones shifting and everything.

As for the other things you listed, strength, lack of emotion, think more with the brain, less with the heart - these are male stereotypes. I think the lack of emotion stereotype probably stems from two things - it can be harder (physically) for men to cry and socialization. It's a lot less acceptable for men to display emotion.

Anyway, I do find it nearly impossible to cry and feel more pressure to stem emotion. But that's it. I don't feel or experience any less emotion - just the physical display of it. And I am arguably a much nicer person who considers people's feelings much more than before T and transition. My mother even comments that I seem to have a 'softer heart' (ouch! lol) where it was hidden under a tough exterior before. Now that doesn't mean it's the T. It could be as discussed above that I just feel much more comfortable and more 'human' than before.

Quote from: Edge on January 11, 2014, 09:06:22 AM
That's interesting. That's how I felt off T: moody, emotionally unstable, easily irritated with a horrible temper, hyper vigilant, paranoid, no emotional connection to anyone, etc.

That looks like validation our bodies need the "correct" hormone to function properly, doesn't it? I needed "E" and you needed "T" and now we are at peace.

Yes because if you think about it this way: if there was 'varying' effects from T (aka one person won't get crap and another everything) then what is the point in it at all if it only effects maybe 50 percent of those who take it?

And same here FA to an extent.see even I had high amounts of T through out my life due to (mainly) PCOS and my body adapted over time.after 20 years and now on a firm of T pill,even those effects are easy to notice.I'm sure that I'm explaining this wrong and that's all good but as someone who had 30 percent E and 60 percent T their entire life,yeah I had about the same things too.was physically and emotionally and even mentally ill,pissy,and many other negative things.so balancing out my system made things easier on me in every way.call it more complete then like before.so regardless of what ones effects were before T and E,doesn't mean those gained during will not be there or exist.as I also stated 'and for a lot of people,they do feel more at ease and comfortable with self' and so a lot of those negative effects tend to subside.no one person is the same and some will have less or more depending but they are there.anyway,since I'm not on pure T shots,I'm sure I have no opinion here nor knowledge so its best I take my leave.maybe once I get on it then ill have some vaild point about it somwhere but until then,ill stick to the places iwhere I have one.take care.

Quote from: Chaos on January 11, 2014, 10:35:14 AM
Yes because if you think about it this way: if there was 'varying' effects from T (aka one person won't get crap and another everything) then what is the point in it at all if it only effects maybe 50 percent of those who take it?

Varying effects does not mean no effects neither does it mean all or nothing.
Even if it didn't affect some of the people who take it, I'm pretty sure there is a point for the people who are. I know I wouldn't give it up just because it doesn't work for someone else.

Quote from: Chaos on January 11, 2014, 10:35:14 AM
Yes because if you think about it this way: if there was 'varying' effects from T (aka one person won't get crap and another everything) then what is the point in it at all if it only effects maybe 50 percent of those who take it?

Well, I think that's more or less true for the physical stuff. I mean, you will develop facial hair, a deeper voice, body hair, etc to varying degrees according to genetics and who knows what else. But behavioural and emotional changes aren't as easily quantified.

When we look at cis guys, there is such a huge variety physically, behaviorally and emotionally. And these are  XY guys - we don't know how consistent or reliable the effects of T on trans guys are. We don't have the same biology. Some may have more androgen receptors than others. Not to mention we haven't had the same socialization as cis guys which is as much a factor in behavior as hormones. It's not all nature as much we'd like to think.

QuoteI'm sure I have no opinion here nor knowledge so its best I take my leave.maybe once I get on it then ill have some vaild point about it somwhere but until then,ill stick to the places iwhere I have one.take care.

No need to leave, Chaos. 

Quote from: Edge on January 11, 2014, 09:06:22 AM
That's interesting. That's how I felt off T: moody, emotionally unstable, easily irritated with a horrible temper, hyper vigilant, paranoid, no emotional connection to anyone, etc.
While I'm here, I just want to say wow. I suspected that my brain would function better on T, but I couldn't have imagined how much. Even if I am abnormal. I even feel comfortable about the abnormalness.

Same for me, I would have made the same post if you didn't.

Quote from: Chaos on January 11, 2014, 10:35:14 AM
Yes because if you think about it this way: if there was 'varying' effects from T (aka one person won't get crap and another everything) then what is the point in it at all if it only effects maybe 50 percent of those who take it?

And same here FA to an extent.see even I had high amounts of T through out my life due to (mainly) PCOS and my body adapted over time.after 20 years and now on a firm of T pill,even those effects are easy to notice.I'm sure that I'm explaining this wrong and that's all good but as someone who had 30 percent E and 60 percent T their entire life,yeah I had about the same things too.was physically and emotionally and even mentally ill,pissy,and many other negative things.so balancing out my system made things easier on me in every way.call it more complete then like before.so regardless of what ones effects were before T and E,doesn't mean those gained during will not be there or exist.as I also stated 'and for a lot of people,they do feel more at ease and comfortable with self' and so a lot of those negative effects tend to subside.no one person is the same and some will have less or more depending but they are there.anyway,since I'm not on pure T shots,I'm sure I have no opinion here nor knowledge so its best I take my leave.maybe once I get on it then ill have some vaild point about it somwhere but until then,ill stick to the places iwhere I have one.take care.

Dude, I really think you're overreacting.

People are allowed to disagree with you - it's called discussion and this is a discussion forum.  I didn't see anything that you or anyone else said that was snarky or nasty, so back to the discussion.

For myself personally, I felt much less emotional having been on T for 2 years.  I was really and truly a basketcase pre-T - hysterical, upset and slighted at the smallest thing, crying constantly for no reason.  Now, I still get upset occasionally, but I don't hold onto things like I did at all.  It's like having emotional freedom.  I do still love deeply and care for others - I express those emotions in just the same ways as before - I haven't stopped hugging, kissing or being affectionate with my wife for example, nor being affectionate and hugging my relatives. 

Kreuz people can disagree with me all they want but there are two things that piss me off the most.1) having my education smashed because someone feels they are better.idgaf if your a biologist or anything else.its a discussion,not comparing the paper hanging on your wall.and 2) being misunderstood to the point that the effort I 'did' try to make,was rendered void.not only did he completely ignore me 'aka not address me at all' but when he did,it was to correct me and throw his education in the mix.and call me whatever the hell you want to.childish,overreacting,immature but like I said,this is the last topic involving transition ill be getting into.so no worriess right? So move on with your discussion and leave me out of it.