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Opinion on my transgender friends potential to one day pass (link to pics)

Started by Ltl89, February 26, 2014, 03:38:44 PM

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Ltl89


Please don't quote or copy images.  Keep it secret, keep it safe. Also read wordy text before interpreting photos. Thank you.


I wanted to share some pics and get opinions on my transgender friends appearance.  She's feeling incredibly insecure and scared about going full time soon (early summer or late spring) and how she is going to be taken or judged by society, so she would really like honest opinions on her potential to pass as female.  As you all know, the ability to pass or blend is really important to this friend (probably more than it is healthy), so she really does care to know whether or not she is a lost cause in this department.  As scared as she may be to hear it,  she needs a dose of reality in order to process how she should move forward.  And before I get into it, I'd like to apologize for being so wordy and weird with this post, but this was the only way I'd feel comfortable posting this and taking this big step, so bear with me and my craziness.  After all, you all know how she is and must know how terrifying this post is for her, lol.   

Now before you judge my friends' appearance, please keep in mind a few things.  Even though my friend is very sensitive about how she looks as she feels both ugly and unpassable, she is looking to hear honest opinions that are done in a considerate manner.  While she doesn't want anyone to tear her down, she needs to know the reality of whether they will ever be able to pass and face her situation for what it really is.  So don't let the fact that she is a fragile snowflake prevent honesty because that's what she "needs" even if it upsets or hurts her.   It's time for her to face facts. Also, I should note that she is aware that there is much room for improvement and that her current appearance doesn't pass as she is stuck in androgynous stage limbo.  She has a ways to go with hormones, laser, losing weight and remains pre- rhinoplasty.  Yet at the same time the hormones keep making a big impact (slowly), laser is being done at 6 week intervals, and she's being really careful to exercise and limit her eating  (usually to one meal a day) so she can continue to lose that horrible excessive weight she put on during her denial phase.   With all that said, it should be clear that there is still much to be done.  However, she also realizes there are some flaws she can never change and will have to live with forever;  therefore, she needs to know whether or not she's a total lost cause.  While 100 percent passing isn't possible for her and she is coming to accept that, she would like the ability to blend in with the majority of people as she doesn't want the entire world knowing she is trans. 

Another thing to note is that these pictures are very raw and are more or less average photos of her (not the best nor are they the worst).   Generally she takes daily progress photos at night and in the morning with her phone to see how their natural appearance is changing with the influence of hormones.  So she isn't wearing any makeup or doing anything special (other than hair straightening in some) and sort of looks like a hot mess in baggy clothes in most. These photos are her natural appearance either before she is going to bed or while she's getting ready to head out for the day.  Since my friend hopes to one day come somewhat close to male fail mode (understanding it's not entirely possible for many reasons), it's important that they are judged for how they really look and not a dolled up picture that doesn't represent their true everyday appearance.   Obviously makeup and clothing helps improve her appearance in a big way, but I feel that could skew how people judge her natural appearance and whether there is passing potential.  So don't judge her "beauty"  (or lack thereof lol) but judge her potential to one day pass as female and let her know if she really is a lost cause because sometimes she feels that way and wonders if she is just hopeless.

Okay, now for the photos.  Remember keep all of the following in mind.  She's either in boymode or a hot mess before going to bed, so they aren't the most flattering shots. And she is wearing loose clothes, so she looks much bigger and fatter than she really is.  Still they show how she really looks and that's what needs to be seen in order for accurate assessment, so be honest on whether she has the potential to one day pass or not.   I'm so scared.  I'm terrified, but she needs to hear the reality despite her insecurities and fears.   Okay here is the link to her photostream- http://www.flickr.com/photos/118627967@N03/

Now her facial flaws that need fixing are very obvious.   She has a horrible hairline which detracts from a feminine appearance.  My friend wants to find the right hairstyle that will diminish the prominence of the  forehead and is currently thinking about going with wispy or feathered bangs ( she hates blunt bangs).   I think that will do a lot of good for her passing ability, what do you think?  Now we come to the worst flaw: her nose.   Yes, the beastly beak which she calls a nose.  She HATES her nose and it kills her to know she is going to require a nosejob because she doesn't have the means for it and will need to wait some time before getting it fixed.  This is one of the biggies that really prevents her from passing in my opinion.  Do you think it makes her unpassable or will keep her at that point if she doesn't get a nosejob?   Besides those issues, makeup does wonders and she isn't too concerned about anything else for when the time comes. 

Okay, I'll leave these photos up for a day or so. Please don't quote the images or copy them.  She's shaking and terrified for doing this, but she feels this is something she has to do.  After all, she needs to get over her fear and could use some help regarding her appearance.  Besides she needs to face facts and realize what she is working with rather than dreaming about her ideal situation and hoping for that to come.  So, this is a huge step for her even if it doesn't seem that way.  In any event, she would really like honesty about whether or not she can one day pass.  Any tips or advice you may wish to share would also be appreciated.  Maybe sometime in the future or soon she will show everyone what she looks like in makeup and clothes that suit her, lol.  We'll see.  Thanks everyone! :D

By the way, in case anyone stumbles upon this and recognizes my friend, please leave them be.  I'm sure you probably have thought she was weird or different in some way and now you know why.  Since she was little this has been eating away at her soul and causing her tremendous pain and sorrow that has been really hard to cope with.  As though her entire life she's been trapped in this emotional and physical prison that she couldn't escape.  If she is ever to have a happy life and feel comfortable in her own skin, she needs to embrace this and be true to how she feels on the inside.   I understand that it's different and perhaps confusing, but please don't judge, ridicule or hate them for being different.  All they want is to live a normal/happy life where they can feel free to be who they are.  I think that's something we can all agree with, so please respect her privacy as she would respect yours. Thanks in advance for this consideration.



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suzifrommd

Did you post the right photos? If so, I don't understand the issue. She already looks very feminine.
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FalseHybridPrincess

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Ok so If I was that girl Id definately get straight bangs...or any type of bangs to hide the forehead,,,I do it too...
Also  her eyebrows need a little work and a bit of make up should help too...

I didnt really noticed the nose until you said that its hideous,,,but yeah a nose job would be nice,,,but it isnt that mandatory I believe...
I mean she could definately pass with it...

Overall dear I really think that she looks really nice , there are only minor flaws to fix and then she d be able to go full time for sure...
hell if she has an ok voice I would most certaintly gender her female if I see her know , with this appearance...

anyway,,,how many months is she on hrt?
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big kim

Nothing to worry about,tidy up the eyebrows is all that's needed.
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Jessica Merriman

Eyebrows, makeup and female clothing and it would be hard for me to see anything other than female. I say full pass ability right now. You want honest, this is my honest opinion. :)
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izzy

Your friend looks gorgeous. Just need to find the right style and your friend is on hour way to being full time.
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Nero

She's cute! Already passes very well to me. Really doesn't look much different to the average cis girl not all done up. I actually think the 'extra weight' helps and the rounder cheeks are what give her a more female appearance. That's probably what puts her over into the female camp to me. Most guys don't have round faces like that unless they're really large.
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stephaniec

your friend is way too hard on herself. She also could use a smile .HRT hasn't completed the sculpture. She needs to not worry about her looks . She'll do quite well
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Hayley

Your friend looks quite nice. From what I see she is already passing. Eye brows cleaned up a bit maybe but even without that she looks quite lovely. I'd say she is well on her way to being a beautiful young woman, you be sure to tell her that.
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amZo

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on February 26, 2014, 03:53:57 PM
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Looking good, LtL - indeed, looking good. Having read those previous posts... Indeed, we are worst critics of ourselves!

LOL, my thoughts exactly, especially regarding looking (very) good.

LTL, your 'friend' looks great and will pass with flying colors!  :)
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Danielle Emmalee

Totally not what I was expecting.  Nose looks fine, eyebrows look fine.  I think bangs are a good idea.  Makeup would likely help, but I don't think its really necessary.  Some pictures from the side might reveal something different, but I think from this angle your friend has no real issues.  I would take her nose in a heartbeat.
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missy1992

If your friend goes through with any surgery I hope they are aware of the risks. Work on fixing a hairline for example can leave a large prominent scar for example.

If I were your friend, I would use this first stage to "find herself" with her style. When she reaches a point of comfort and after the HRT does its thang she'll know whats right for her
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JenSquid

She looks quite nice. The shape of her face is feminine, and she's already pretty passable. If I really had to nitpick, I'd say she could use a bit more laser around the mustache, but it sounds like she's already working on that. Give that some time and she should be just fine.

That being said, she has some dark circles around her eyes. Is she getting enough sleep?
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Ltl89

Everybody is being really nice and it means a lot! :)

May I ask though, is this really what you feel?  Because I really don't see what others are seeing.  I do think there is potential, but I feel I'm not at that point yet or even close to it.  I mean I look very different with makeup and the right style on (a lot better), but I feel like my core appearance still needs a lot of work (nose job, needs bangs, more laser and time on hrt).  That's why I put up photos to see where I am.  Maybe I just really do have a poor self image and that's why I can't see anything good.    I just feel like more work is needed and I'm still in rough shape.  However, I'm glad I'm not a lost cause because that's what I feel like sometimes.

Quote from: FalsePrincess on February 26, 2014, 03:48:07 PM
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Ok so If I was that girl Id definately get straight bangs...or any type of bangs to hide the forehead,,,I do it too...
Also  her eyebrows need a little work and a bit of make up should help too...

I didnt really noticed the nose until you said that its hideous,,,but yeah a nose job would be nice,,,but it isnt that mandatory I believe...
I mean she could definately pass with it...

Overall dear I really think that she looks really nice , there are only minor flaws to fix and then she d be able to go full time for sure...
hell if she has an ok voice I would most certaintly gender her female if I see her know , with this appearance...

anyway,,,how many months is she on hrt?

Well I've been on hrt since June, but the latest dose increase was in October.  Since then, there has been a lot of change which didn't really occur previously to that point.  I look very different from then and keep changing, so that's why I feel holding it off may do some good.  Yeah, I feel like the nose job and maybe wispy bangs will help big time.  Without that, I still see a mannish face and feel like I'm not passing.  Hell, this is what I mean by boymode, so I'm still not where I want to be.

As for the brows, believe me, you don't want to know what they used to look like.  This is the best she could get them because the sides are asymmetrical and she needs to get them as closely aligned.  I've come a long way.

And yes, I know I need a different style other than really baggy boy clothes, lol.  I'm just uncomfortable with people seeing my chest when I am in boymode.  I get stares and it's not always all that comfortable.  That's why I need to wear this baggy stuff. Once I have an income again, it will be time for me to start up my new wardrobe and then I will start wearing the appropriate attire once I feel ready to go full time. 

Quote from: JenSquid on February 26, 2014, 05:27:26 PM
She looks quite nice. The shape of her face is feminine, and she's already pretty passable. If I really had to nitpick, I'd say she could use a bit more laser around the mustache, but it sounds like she's already working on that. Give that some time and she should be just fine.

That being said, she has some dark circles around her eyes. Is she getting enough sleep?

I always have dark circles and major sleep issues.  I've done everything to get rid of the circles and only concealer does the job. 
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Danielle Emmalee

Wait, these are pictures of you?  I thought it was of your friend....;)
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Jessica Merriman

We are all not being nice, but truthful as you asked. I for one honestly see female. So up the confidence and self esteem a little, will you? :)
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stephaniec

OK, here you go I'm going to be absolutely honest. You'll do fine. The other honest thing is that I don't know what caused your self image to get mangled like it has but there's no way you have the true perception of what you actually look like. I'm not in any way trying to be mean. It's just that what you tell us about how you perceive your self just doesn't jive with our objective view of you. You'll do fine.

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kelly_aus

I was going to post that this person should have no troubles at all, assuming she has the right attitude and confidence..

Then I discover she doesn't.

Yeah, a change in hairstyle wouldn't hurt, maybe some eyebrow work, but apart from that, can I have your face?
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LivingTheDream

It's always the hot ones who have the biggest issues with their apperances! The only negative I can see is a tiny five o'clock shadow, everything else looks perfectly fine. I don't think her nose is big at all and I definitely don't see how she thinks she's fat. Tell your friend to go take some pics all dressed up and made up, she'd be a total hottie then, 10/10! Go on, tell her make us all jealous!
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