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Passing in everyone's eyes but my own and other goodies. Anyone relate?

Started by Ltl89, March 04, 2014, 05:54:39 PM

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JordanBlue

I simply don't get it. 
Why is always the young passable ones saying 'I don't pass' ?
Why?
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Brooke777

Quote from: JordanBlue on March 05, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
I simply don't get it. 
Why is always the young passable ones saying 'I don't pass' ?
Why?

If you wouldn't mind explaining "young" for me. That is a comparative statement. I may, or may not be older than you.

Also, it might be best to avoid sweeping generalizations.
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Ltl89

Quote from: JordanBlue on March 05, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
I simply don't get it. 
Why is always the young passable ones saying 'I don't pass' ?
Why?

In my case, it's probably a mixture of fear and intimate self knowledge.  We know ourselves all too well.  What may appear feminine to everyone else still has a little bit of my past always imprinted in my face.  Without knowing that, it may be easier to see me as female.  Knwoing that makes it much much harder.  Though, I will say that I do look very very different and everybody tells me the same.  I just can't erase my own self knowledge and that's why I am open to the idea that self bias may come into play.  The other part of it is fear that makes my already shaky self image become a victim to my insane over-thinking and horror scenarios that I conjure up, lol.  I just want to make sure I'm on the strongest ground I can be before I risk crashing and burning.  After all, we are all doing an incredibly tough thing that most people will never experience in their lives.  Being overly critical and sensitive at such a overwheliming task makes a lot of sense and it's why many shy away or delay from seeing it through.  I'm still learning to grow not only as a woman but a person and thats why it remains hard for me even though I'll see it through in the end.  Of course, I can only explain my own feelings and why I probably over think this all to death, lol. 

In any case, I do appreciate being seen as young and passable!  That's a plus for me. :)   
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BunnyBee

It's that body dysmorphia thing I'm sure, where your reflection in the mirror is overlayed with whatever your mind is projecting onto it, and consequently the image you see is totally distorted by the negative feelings you have about yourself.  I have this issue all the time.  I think it is common for trans peeps.

Sometimes though, I really do look bad, but a lot of times I look bad when i actually don't.
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JaimeD

Quote from: JordanBlue on March 05, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
I simply don't get it. 
Why is always the young passable ones saying 'I don't pass' ?
Why?
how about an old ugly one saying "I don't pass?"   
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JordanBlue

Quote from: Brooke777 on March 05, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
If you wouldn't mind explaining "young" for me. That is a comparative statement. I may, or may not be older than you.

Also, it might be best to avoid sweeping generalizations.
Let's just say 25 and under.

This makes zero sense to me.  I see the pictures and I'm thinking WTH? you pass just fine.
Yet, when someone tells you that you pass, you don't accept that. I don't get it.


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Ltl89

Quote from: JordanBlue on March 05, 2014, 05:13:42 PM
Let's just say 25 and under.

This makes zero sense to me.  I see the pictures and I'm thinking WTH? you pass just fine.
Yet, when someone tells you that you pass, you think they're lying. I don't get it.
It seems to be never-ending.
What about all the other M2F who are twice your age and older?   
Don't you think we have the same type of concerns?

I would like to just say that no one says that those who are older don't have the same issues.  I'm sure they do.  It's not a contest rather than sharing how I feel.  I'm sure there are older people that are going through the same thing and they have my sympathies.  I also know older people that pass very well and are in better shape than I am.  I don't put too much stock into my age.  Sharing my concerns should never be seen as an attempt to diminish the struggles of any other person regardless of their background.  I'm just trying to overcome my own feelings.

Secondly, I'm not accussing anyone of lying on this site and don't want anyone to mistakengly think that's what I'm going for.  Not being able to see something for yourself and understanding the source of it is a tad different.  In the end, I'm really trying to better myself in many different ways and learn to grow as a person as well as succesfully transition.  I'm sure these concerns are not all that different from others and I'm just getting some insight.  Please don't see me as someone who doesn't empathize with the struggles of others.  That's never my intention when I share my own issues.  I'm never trying to upset or hurt anyone else.  It's the last thing I'd ever want to do. 
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Brooke777

Quote from: JordanBlue on March 05, 2014, 05:13:42 PM
Let's just say 25 and under.

This makes zero sense to me.  I see the pictures and I'm thinking WTH? you pass just fine.
Yet, when someone tells you that you pass, you think they're lying. I don't get it.
It seems to be never-ending.
What about all the other M2F who are twice your age and older?   
Don't you think we have the same type of concerns?

Alright, so I am 31, so I don't fall into the young crowd. In my mind, I don't pass. However, experience has told me that I really do pass. Honestly it is no longer a concern of mine. I just go with the flow.

Yes, I think that every trans person has this feeling from time to time. I believe that each of us have the same issues in public. How people handle them is where the difference comes in. Speaking extremely generally (yes, I am using a generalization), the ones that have more life experience handle situations a bit better, and therefore are able to walk around with the confidence needed to pass.
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Ltl89

I just want everyone to know that my intent is to never trigger or upset anyone else.  We all have struggles and issues that we deal with when transitioning.  It's a growing experience no matter where you are in life or in your transition.  This is just where I am and how I feel about myself.  Please don't let that impact your own perception or hurt you in any way because it's the last thing I'd ever want to do.  Seriously, I'm sorry if I've ever upset anyone in some form. 
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Jenna Marie

I agree with everyone who's said that it's basically that your mind remembers you the way you used to be, plus we're harder on ourselves than anyone else. I still look in the mirror and see a guy sometimes, even though when I actually LOOK at my old male photos I barely recognize that guy as me (and  a couple times I've mistaken a pic of my sister on FB for me, heh). In other words, "he" disappears in situations where my brain is taken off guard and sees me as I *truly* look, but the rest of the time...

You're darned cute. :) I saw 100% girl in all your pictures; slightly sad-looking, but female.

(Oh, and I'm 36, if it matters.)
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JordanBlue

Quote from: Jenna Marie on March 05, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
I agree with everyone who's said that it's basically that your mind remembers you the way you used to be, plus we're harder on ourselves than anyone else. I still look in the mirror and see a guy sometimes, even though when I actually LOOK at my old male photos I barely recognize that guy as me (and  a couple times I've mistaken a pic of my sister on FB for me, heh). In other words, "he" disappears in situations where my brain is taken off guard and sees me as I *truly* look, but the rest of the time...

You're darned cute. :) I saw 100% girl in all your pictures; slightly sad-looking, but female.

(Oh, and I'm 36, if it matters.)
I agree with this poster 100%.
We are our own worst critics.   Take a walk thru any Walmart and look at how women in there look.  There are women with all kinds of sizes, figures, and looks on this planet.  and the truth is, people are so wrapped up in their own little world, they could care less about you.
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly...
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Carrie Liz

Quote from: JordanBlue on March 05, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
I simply don't get it. 
Why is always the young passable ones saying 'I don't pass' ?
Why?

I think us yungin's are a little more concerned about looking "normal" and blending in completely, so we're a bit more self-critical. With age seems to bring more of an "I don't care what people think about me" attitude rather than an "OMG, what is everyone thinking of me? I'm so scared!" attitude. I'm definitely guilty of it myself.

Quote from: learningtolive on March 05, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
Thank you for the compliments! :)

Yet, I'm a bit afraid to take my chances at trying to pass as female prematurely and have my ego bruised severely.  It's like I'm in gender limbo at the moment.  Then again, there are also people that are really nice to me and most are like that.  I have no idea if they know or even suspect anything about me because most of the times people avoid gender terms with me.  So I really don't know. That's why I've been asking people that know how they'd gender me and the answers are all female or more in that direction.  As of now, I'm really getting nothing to the contrary which is odd.  It's confusing because I don't see it myself nor do I really know if i'd pass if I tried presenting female in public.  I feel like I'm still at that andro in between stage.  Like it's too early for me to start presenting the right way.  I don't know.  I just want to do it right and want it to work out in the end.  And I'm terrified.  But maybe it's time that I start getting out as me and I plan on attempting it before the end of the month.  To be honest, I've been a real shut in lately and hate being that.  I want to go out and live my life, yet I'm not interested in doing that as a boy nor do I feel ready to live as a girl.  Like my life is on hold until I can get past this terrible phase.  But I guess I really just need to push myself forward.

Yeah, I'm pretty much in the exact same state. Without the wig on, I get a combination of "he"s and "she"s, and I'm frankly terrified to present as blatantly female because I'm afraid of looking blatantly trans. So yeah, not sure what I can say in regards to that. All I know is that it really sucks. Constant feelings of inadequacy, constant worry, constant hyper-sensitivity to how I'm being perceived, feeling like my life is on hold and I can't progress forward because I'm not more passable yet. Go figure. I totally get that. All I know is that it's not a healthy state to be in, because it leads to constant anxiety, depression, and feeling like you don't even want to leave the house because the perceptions of others scare you so much.
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izzy

My bigest inhibition was believing that I could not pass. When I have showed myself how feminine I can be even without hormones, I convinced myself that transition is possible. Quite honestly you can make it work right now. Your not even trying and your face looks unbelievable without makeup. I wish I could just go shopping with you, pick a few outfits and you will totally kick ass.
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stephaniec

sorry , I don't divulge my age. It's an interesting phenomenon this looking in the mirror. It's a blend of psychology and physics and biology. When I started transitioning 5 months ago I kept looking at my web cam to see any changes. It took a while , but I finally saw what looked like feminization and fat distribution . The crazy thing was it totally depends on the degree of light involved as to whether I can see female in my face or male. I thinks it the angle the light hits your facial structure. I know at first while sitting in my favorite coffee house I noticed when night came and the lights were prominent I could see a lot of female and during the day Mr, male was all I could see. As the months have progressed even at times in bright sun light the female shines through. It's difficult because I've lived as presenting male for a long time and you just can't delete that experience from all the brain cells holding information. I'm hoping for the female to completely dominate eventually because it's truly who I am.  It just takes time. As far as "passing" goes I look at it as if I were a cancer patient given to choice of taking medicine that will keep me alive for what ever amount of time(transitioning) or not taking the medicine because of the side effects(not "passing") personally I choose life for whatever amount of time I had and not worry about the side effects. Just my opinion. and to be honest I'm probably one of the older ones on this site.
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Aina

Quote from: Carrie Liz on March 05, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
I think us yungin's are a little more concerned about looking "normal" and blending in completely, so we're a bit more self-critical. With age seems to bring more of an "I don't care what people think about me" attitude rather than an "OMG, what is everyone thinking of me? I'm so scared!" attitude. I'm definitely guilty of it myself.

Yeah, I'm pretty much in the exact same state. Without the wig on, I get a combination of "he"s and "she"s, and I'm frankly terrified to present as blatantly female because I'm afraid of looking blatantly trans. So yeah, not sure what I can say in regards to that. All I know is that it really sucks. Constant feelings of inadequacy, constant worry, constant hyper-sensitivity to how I'm being perceived, feeling like my life is on hold and I can't progress forward because I'm not more passable yet. Go figure. I totally get that. All I know is that it's not a healthy state to be in, because it leads to constant anxiety, depression, and feeling like you don't even want to leave the house because the perceptions of others scare you so much.

I don't think its just really young people, I am 30 and well I still feel 18 and I know I am always worried about how I look and I am still a "guy" in rl. I think alot people are concerned with it. I mainly blame our society since we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to be "young" and "beautiful". While it is much more noticable for women, these days a lot of pressure is on guys to be the ideal guy also.

I am trying to remember who said this but it was pretty nice quote "people need to understand loving yourself is not just loving your body, but who want to be also" I am sure I completely destroyed that wonderful quote but it went something like that....

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Ltl89

Quote from: Carrie Liz on March 05, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
I think us yungin's are a little more concerned about looking "normal" and blending in completely, so we're a bit more self-critical. With age seems to bring more of an "I don't care what people think about me" attitude rather than an "OMG, what is everyone thinking of me? I'm so scared!" attitude. I'm definitely guilty of it myself.

Yeah, I'm pretty much in the exact same state. Without the wig on, I get a combination of "he"s and "she"s, and I'm frankly terrified to present as blatantly female because I'm afraid of looking blatantly trans. So yeah, not sure what I can say in regards to that. All I know is that it really sucks. Constant feelings of inadequacy, constant worry, constant hyper-sensitivity to how I'm being perceived, feeling like my life is on hold and I can't progress forward because I'm not more passable yet. Go figure. I totally get that. All I know is that it's not a healthy state to be in, because it leads to constant anxiety, depression, and feeling like you don't even want to leave the house because the perceptions of others scare you so much.

Thanks. Yeah, the more I transition the more concerned I am about my appearance.  Let's face it, society really does do a number on the self image of women.  And as a transwoman with very little confidence to begin with, it's hard for me to not compare myself to my peers and feel bad about my appearance.  I can't help but compare myself and as such I find myself always falling short.   I'm not too hung up on the beauty aspect, though it is important to me, but knowing whether I will have the ability to be taken as a "normal" girl and blending is important to me.  For me, that's what gives me the pass to be myself and live the life that I want.  The life that I've been deniying myself for so long.  But I feel I need that blending privilege before.  I don't know.  It's just how I feel.

Sorry you are going through the same phase.  For what it's worth, I've followed your transition and you have come so far.  Seriously, you are an inspiration to me and I'm sure many others.

Quote from: izzy on March 05, 2014, 06:02:42 PM
My bigest inhibition was believing that I could not pass. When I have showed myself how feminine I can be even without hormones, I convinced myself that transition is possible. Quite honestly you can make it work right now. Your not even trying and your face looks unbelievable without makeup. I wish I could just go shopping with you, pick a few outfits and you will totally kick ass.

Thanks.

Quote from: JordanBlue on March 05, 2014, 05:47:40 PM
I agree with this poster 100%.
We are our own worst critics.   Take a walk thru any Walmart and look at how women in there look.  There are women with all kinds of sizes, figures, and looks on this planet.  and the truth is, people are so wrapped up in their own little world, they could care less about you.

Thank you.  I'm sure you are right.  It's just getting it into my own head that's hard. 

Quote from: Jenna Marie on March 05, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
I agree with everyone who's said that it's basically that your mind remembers you the way you used to be, plus we're harder on ourselves than anyone else. I still look in the mirror and see a guy sometimes, even though when I actually LOOK at my old male photos I barely recognize that guy as me (and  a couple times I've mistaken a pic of my sister on FB for me, heh). In other words, "he" disappears in situations where my brain is taken off guard and sees me as I *truly* look, but the rest of the time...

You're darned cute. :) I saw 100% girl in all your pictures; slightly sad-looking, but female.

(Oh, and I'm 36, if it matters.)

Thanks.  I'm sure this is just a phase and is indicative of the stage I find myself in.

Quote from: stephaniec on March 05, 2014, 06:06:42 PM
sorry , I don't divulge my age. It's an interesting phenomenon this looking in the mirror. It's a blend of psychology and physics and biology. When I started transitioning 5 months ago I kept looking at my web cam to see any changes. It took a while , but I finally saw what looked like feminization and fat distribution . The crazy thing was it totally depends on the degree of light involved as to whether I can see female in my face or male. I thinks it the angle the light hits your facial structure. I know at first while sitting in my favorite coffee house I noticed when night came and the lights were prominent I could see a lot of female and during the day Mr, male was all I could see. As the months have progressed even at times in bright sun light the female shines through. It's difficult because I've lived as presenting male for a long time and you just can't delete that experience from all the brain cells holding information. I'm hoping for the female to completely dominate eventually because it's truly who I am.  It just takes time. As far as "passing" goes I look at it as if I were a cancer patient given to choice of taking medicine that will keep me alive for what ever amount of time(transitioning) or not taking the medicine because of the side effects(not "passing") personally I choose life for whatever amount of time I had and not worry about the side effects. Just my opinion. and to be honest I'm probably one of the older ones on this site.

You have a healthy way of looking at it, and I wish I could see things in the same light.   I'm really working on getting there.

Quote from: Aina on March 05, 2014, 06:08:23 PM
I don't think its just really young people, I am 30 and well I still feel 18 and I know I am always worried about how I look and I am still a "guy" in rl. I think alot people are concerned with it. I mainly blame our society since we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to be "young" and "beautiful". While it is much more noticable for women, these days a lot of pressure is on guys to be the ideal guy also.

I am trying to remember who said this but it was pretty nice quote "people need to understand loving yourself is not just loving your body, but who want to be also" I am sure I completely destroyed that wonderful quote but it went something like that....



Yeah, I really do feel pressured to fit in and look the female role as best as possible.  It's why I obsess on it because I really want to be taken as a girl and not an imposter.  You know?  It's like fitting into the ideal conventions of beauty and looking just like other women my age allows me to blend.  Right now, I just feel I fall short of other girls and it really hurts.

Quote from: Cynthia Michelle on March 05, 2014, 06:18:17 PM
L2l, you are beautiful and look female. When the time is right (which you know is approaching) to be yourself I am sure you will have a wonderful day.

Thank you! :)

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JLT1

Hi LTL,

This is hard.  I wrote a response earlier for your other post and it got deleted.  (???)  I'll try again...

I understand your fears, both on a personal level and after seeing your pictures. Your fear is understandable but without warrant.  You are just starting the HRT route, being only 5+ months into it.  You need to allow HRT time to work. So, depending on the angle of the camera, the light and the facial expression, you seem to vary between beautiful girl and fem boy. In numbers, the beautiful girl thing wins.  However, if we look at the worst of the pictures, yes, it is fem. That is what you are seeing and what you are doing....looking at the worse possible situation.  The darkness of your eyes, nose and facial hair does not help.  However, I'm not sure that any woman, when looked at in the worst possible conditions, without makeup, wouldn't have some fem boy in there.  I will state again, HRT will take care of that.  I have seen much worse come out very well after a year or so on HRT.  You are just now getting to the face changing time. 

Having typed that (which was hard), I will say what I said in my first (and lost) response:  You need to work on your hair.  I work with a girl who has a similar bone structure and facial features.  She does her hair differently and it is amazing.  Second, your eyes are to die for.  They are like, fantastic.  Your nose is a little large but within the range of female norm.  Your lips are wonderful.  In the final picture, which I think is your best, you are amazing.  Yep, there are some FFS procedures that would make you more beautiful.  But please note the "more" thing.

So...Full power forward.  You are going to be somewhere between cute to beautiful. 

Hugs,

Jen
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BunnyBee

Quote from: Carrie Liz on March 05, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
I think us yungin's are a little more concerned about looking "normal" and blending in completely, so we're a bit more self-critical. With age seems to bring more of an "I don't care what people think about me" attitude rather than an "OMG, what is everyone thinking of me? I'm so scared!" attitude. I'm definitely guilty of it myself.

Yeah, I'm pretty much in the exact same state. Without the wig on, I get a combination of "he"s and "she"s, and I'm frankly terrified to present as blatantly female because I'm afraid of looking blatantly trans. So yeah, not sure what I can say in regards to that. All I know is that it really sucks. Constant feelings of inadequacy, constant worry, constant hyper-sensitivity to how I'm being perceived, feeling like my life is on hold and I can't progress forward because I'm not more passable yet. Go figure. I totally get that. All I know is that it's not a healthy state to be in, because it leads to constant anxiety, depression, and feeling like you don't even want to leave the house because the perceptions of others scare you so much.

Hair makes such a big difference, it really does.  I say a lot if I can hide my hair so it doesn't seem to be there I could pass as male anytime I want, and people always say I'm wrong but honestly it's true.  My height, short hair, it doesn't matter what my face looks like.  But with long hair, no matter how hard I tried, there is no way I can pass as male, I mean I could wear a suit I'm pretty sure and people would just be confused.  Hair is a way bigger deal than people give it credit for.  Well, at least for me.  I'm sure there are some short people that would not be able to pull off male no matter what.

BTW you look really great with long hair.  It really does make a big diff for you too, Carrie.  You look totally fine without it, but with it there is no hint of anything but a pretty girl.  That wig seems like a really good one, at least in that little tiny pic.

Also, I can identify with not wanting to go out full female with the fear that I would be seen 100% trans instead of 50/50 of either gender.  That was probably my biggest hurdle that I had to overcome.  The only way I could get past it was to learn how to embrace being trans, because I very much identify as woman, not trans.  Meaning, trans is an adjective for me not noun, if that makes sense?  But still, even if it is an adjective, trans is still part of my truth, and my continuing existence in spite of dealing with being born that way is something I am truly actually proud of, and if people realize the truth about me, it's just that-- the truth, and it's okay.  That is sort of the inner-dialog I have a lot.  It does help.  And I also do that thing where I let go of my anxieties and imagine them floating away that I talked about before.  Those things help me.
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Ltl89

Quote from: JLT1 on March 05, 2014, 07:31:36 PM
Hi LTL,

This is hard.  I wrote a response earlier for your other post and it got deleted.  (???)  I'll try again...

I understand your fears, both on a personal level and after seeing your pictures. Your fear is understandable but without warrant.  You are just starting the HRT route, being only 5+ months into it.  You need to allow HRT time to work. So, depending on the angle of the camera, the light and the facial expression, you seem to vary between beautiful girl and fem boy. In numbers, the beautiful girl thing wins.  However, if we look at the worst of the pictures, yes, it is fem. That is what you are seeing and what you are doing....looking at the worse possible situation.  The darkness of your eyes, nose and facial hair does not help.  However, I'm not sure that any woman, when looked at in the worst possible conditions, without makeup, wouldn't have some fem boy in there.  I will state again, HRT will take care of that.  I have seen much worse come out very well after a year or so on HRT.  You are just now getting to the face changing time. 

Having typed that (which was hard), I will say what I said in my first (and lost) response:  You need to work on your hair.  I work with a girl who has a similar bone structure and facial features.  She does her hair differently and it is amazing.  Second, your eyes are to die for.  They are like, fantastic.  Your nose is a little large but within the range of female norm.  Your lips are wonderful.  In the final picture, which I think is your best, you are amazing.  Yep, there are some FFS procedures that would make you more beautiful.  But please note the "more" thing.

So...Full power forward.  You are going to be somewhere between cute to beautiful. 

Hugs,

Jen

Thanks Jen.  By the way, I honestly don't know why your response got deleted because I don't block anyone and have always appreciated your input. :)

Yeah, see the fem boy thing is what I'm still seeing.  It's just hard for me to know where I am when I still have view myself that way.  We are our worst critics, but passing is very important to me.  It's not so much a beauty thing (whatever, I've never really considered that I'd ever be that) and more of a blending thing.  See if I can be accepted as female on a social level, I will feel more free to be myself.  Less fear to embrace the life that I want and to simply live.  Without that priveledge I feel like I'm stuck in a cage both emotionally and physically.  Passing allows me to cast that off to some degree.  And sadly, while everyone is telling me that I pass, I really do feel like I fall short of my female peers.  There are aspects of my body that I can never be change and it'll never be perfect.  It makes me fear being detected and being seen as an imposter of some sort.  So I'm obsessing over passing and getting to the point where blending is as close as possible so that I won't have to fear judgement for being me.  In order to be me, I feel like I need that approval and having the ability to pass is like a tacit one a best since I identify heavily as a girl.  I do care about beauty though too.  It's always been tough being trapped in a boys body and hating myself for it throughout my life.  And when you compare yourself to other women, it hurts so bad.  Still being cute or pretty isn't nearly as important to me as the blending aspect.  It's being seen as female and having the privilege to be myself without fear of judgement that is very important which is why I hate seeing the fem boy in my face and certain aspects of my body.  Sadly, I don't know if I can ever match other girls my age and wonder if I'll always stick out in some way.

The hair definetly needs some work.  I've been searching for work (though I think I might have something), so I haven't changed up my hair yet.  I'm considering doing bangs (wispy or side swept) and think that will help with the forehead and nose issue I have.  It's just hard for me to pass as male if I do that because that goes out the window, and I need that to secure work.  The eyes are just beyond help.  I need concealer at all times.  And while the nose job might not be needed I will get that done for my own self confidence because it's a remaining symbol of my trans status. 

Quote from: Jen on March 05, 2014, 08:44:26 PM
Hair makes such a big difference, it really does.  I say a lot if I can hide my hair so it doesn't seem to be there I could pass as male anytime I want, and people always say I'm wrong but honestly it's true.  My height, short hair, it doesn't matter what my face looks like.  But with long hair, no matter how hard I tried, there is no way I can pass as male, I mean I could wear a suit I'm pretty sure and people would just be confused.  Hair is a way bigger deal than people give it credit for.  Well, at least for me.  I'm sure there are some short people that would not be able to pull off male no matter what.

BTW you look really great with long hair.  It really does make a big diff for you too, Carrie.  You look totally fine without it, but with it there is no hint of anything but a pretty girl.  That wig seems like a really good one, at least in that little tiny pic.

Also, I can identify with not wanting to go out full female with the fear that I would be seen 100% trans instead of 50/50 of either gender.  That was probably my biggest hurdle that I had to overcome.  The only way I could get past it was to learn how to embrace being trans, because I very much identify as woman, not trans.  Meaning, trans is an adjective for me not noun, if that makes sense?  But still, even if it is an adjective, trans is still part of my truth, and my continuing existence in spite of dealing with being born that way is something I am truly actually proud of, and if people realize the truth about me, it's just that-- the truth, and it's okay.  That is sort of the inner-dialog I have a lot.  It does help.  And I also do that thing where I let go of my anxieties and imagine them floating away that I talked about before.  Those things help me.

Yeah, see I have no doubt that I'd pass as female, but I want to blend in with ciswomen rather than be seen as a transgirl.  That's why I'm obsessing over any little flaw or perceived male trait because it puts me at risk of being detected.  It just makes me feel bad.  Like I feel uncomfortable about other people knowing or seeing me as a fraud when this is really who I am.  The societal privilege to be myself is almost riding on the tacit approval that passing can provide.  Seeing anything that could distinguish me from other women makes me feel like this will be in danger.  Overall, I realize this is a very unhealthy way of living.  At some point I will need some sense of internal trans pride and self confidence, which is being worked on very much at this point, but it still isn't up to par.  All in all, I realize there is no such thing as passing 100 percent and that people will know, so I really am trying to get over this social hurdle.  Knowing that my passing potential is high makes it a little more bearable for me. 
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