Alright, if I would still be able to get it up without meds I'd be cool with that. Don't really mind if I would have to to be gotten in the mood beforehand, not a big fan of the morningwood anyway...
But your tip is basically: go to your doctor and tell him this?

Oh and by the way: As far as the starving goes, of course it's not healthy to starve yourself in it's very own right. However it DOES counteract testosterone production and since your body needs energy to age and change, you would be depriving your body from that energy and therefore stay more childlike. There are actually a lot of anorexics who become anorexics not because they want to be thin or fulfill any media boosted ideal of what you should look like. They become anorexics because they are desperately clinging to their childhoods and therefore want to prevent their body from becoming that of a grownup. This is fact.
As far as the unhealthiness goes, yeah sure, that's true. It's never healthy to starve yourself. You feel hungry for a reason. ;-)

Quote from: Bubblegum on March 07, 2014, 04:24:09 PM
@Jamie D: Yes that's pretty much the goal. I"m not really looking for further feminization, like I said I look quiet androgynous as I am, but I'm worried that things will change once I pass 25. (Jaw getting wider, chin and orbital rim more prominent etc.)

I wouldn't mind a little bit of feminization though, if Estrogen were to become the most prominent hormone in my body. It's just that I don't have the wish for cleavage nor do I want to become impotent (!) or start Viagra at the tender age of 30.
However the problem is, WHICH Antiandrogen would be advisable? Spiro is out of the question I think, seeing as it does cause permanent impotence after a certain while.

The other (bigger) problem is, how would I get a doctor to even prescribe it? I'm not trans and if you look at my case from an objective point of view, the entire reason for this wish is vanity. And what doctor would give you medications to keep you looking young(er) and childish(er) (thus more feminine) only because you go up to him and say: Hey, I wanna keep looking like 21 forever.

The only thing I'd get is a one way ticket to psych.

I don't think anyone would think wanting to retain a youthful appearance is odd.  After all, cosmetics are a multi-billion dollar industry!

Androgyny actually is part of the trans* spectrum.  So, if you identify as androgynous, even as a femme guy, there is reason to believe you fit in there somewhere.

In a sense, you are looking for the fountain of youth.  You aren't the first, and you won't be the last. 

But Father Time and Mother Nature have a way of stealing our youth and aging us.  I know, at 21 years old, you don't want to hear that.  Short of anti-androgens, and lots and lots of moisturizing, I'm not sure how you can hold on to your 20-year old appearance.

@Bubblegum hello....i'm almost at the same situation as you,but still i don't care about having sex or not.  Good thing is that the last couple of years i look more feminine than before,but unlike you i need to put a lot of effort to achieve it....because i have so many damn body hair and my facial hair grow rapidly and i really hate it.


Fortunately they've been slowed down a little bit because i had some waxing sessions with photolysis (laser is expensive ) for 2 years but yet they are still visible with naked eyes if i let them to grow for about 10 days (body hair)


I really don't care if i'll be sexualy active,i just want to have NO body/facial hair....so that's why i want to go for AA or estrogens.

@Jamie
Yeah, you got a point. Without these AAs I'm definitely not gonna be able to stick to this appearance. Although my family always has done a remarkable job at keeping their youthful looks well into their 30s. But I'm not willing to take my chances with that. However, why would my doc just give me access to this 'fountain of youth'? I mean, the only people who get prescriptions are menopausal women and MtF Trans people right? Or do you think I'd have a chance if I would just tell my doc exactly what I've told all of you in this topic?

@georges
I feel for you, however let me assure you, I have facial and body hair too and must shave almost daily to keep my skin smoothly. I'm just lucky they're blonde, so even if I don't shave for a day, you won't notice much of a difference. However, I'm looking into hair removal with a laser myself.

Oh yeah, anybody got any thought on the boobs? Do ALL AAs have this side effect?

I am not entirely sure of where your general location is, and which health services/plans you have access to.

In the US, ans some other places, the "informed consent" model is becoming increasingly popular.  Unfortunately, in some other countries, you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get treatment, like a circus dog.

here is an increasing body of knowledge concerning the use of anti-androgens and ultra low dose hormones in non-binary MAAB individuals.

One of the most knowledgeable folks on the site for this issue is "Ativan."

As I said, you won't stop aging if you are on AA's. There is no cure for that, even how much we all want it. The only things we can do are to try and live as healthy as we can and maybe add 5-10 years to our lives. If you want to look young forever there aren't anything to do except having surgery.

Quote from: Bubblegum on March 08, 2014, 07:19:00 PM

@georges
I feel for you, however let me assure you, I have facial and body hair too and must shave almost daily to keep my skin smoothly. I'm just lucky they're blonde, so even if I don't shave for a day, you won't notice much of a difference. However, I'm looking into hair removal with a laser myself.

Oh yeah, anybody got any thought on the boobs? Do ALL AAs have this side effect?

Me too,i have a shave every 2 days in my face,and that's really annoying.

Because the bad thing with me is that i get cut very easily...my facial hair are rough,so i use to put a lot of strength while shaving....i wish to DESTROY them -i really mean the word "Destroy"- or at least mellow them,so they won't be that hard and get cut so easy


btw,a lot of people i know suggested me to stop shaving so often in order to avoid cuttin,but i really HATE beard as hell so having a shave even if i get cut is my only option

Quote from: georges on March 09, 2014, 07:43:53 AM

Me too,i have a shave every 2 days in my face,and that's really annoying.

Because the bad thing with me is that i get cut very easily...my facial hair are rough,so i use to put a lot of strength while shaving....i wish to DESTROY them -i really mean the word "Destroy"- or at least mellow them,so they won't be that hard and get cut so easy


btw,a lot of people i know suggested me to stop shaving so often in order to avoid cuttin,but i really HATE beard as hell so having a shave even if i get cut is my only option

If it's hair removal you want I'd suggest laser or electrolysis. There aren't any other ways to make the removal permanent.

Quote from: 930310 on March 09, 2014, 08:47:18 AM
If it's hair removal you want I'd suggest laser or electrolysis. There aren't any other ways to make the removal permanent.

What about AA?

As i said above i had some sessions with photolysis,because laser is expensive...

Quote from: georges on March 09, 2014, 09:12:03 AM
What about AA?

As i said above i had some sessions with photolysis,because laser is expensive...

They won't stop your hair growth. They may slow down the growth speed, but otherwise they won't do much good.

Quote from: 930310 on March 09, 2014, 09:46:46 AM
They won't stop your hair growth. They may slow down the growth speed, but otherwise they won't do much good.

huh...but i heard some people here saying they had quite good results

Quote from: Jamie D on March 09, 2014, 12:26:59 AM
I am not entirely sure of where your general location is, and which health services/plans you have access to.

In the US, ans some other places, the "informed consent" model is becoming increasingly popular.  Unfortunately, in some other countries, you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get treatment, like a circus dog.

here is an increasing body of knowledge concerning the use of anti-androgens and ultra low dose hormones in non-binary MAAB individuals.

One of the most knowledgeable folks on the site for this issue is "Ativan."

Like I said, I'm in Holland now. Don't know how it is here. Google didn't really spit out anything aside from the MtF transgender people

Initially when I began transition my intention was to go all the way and have SRS, but for loads of reasons I didn't follow through and opted for androgyny and frankly it works for me. I used Spironolactone for several years but eventually opted for an orchiectomy back in 2001. Later though i had something of an emotional meltdown not due to transitioning but over war related PTSD issues, and during that time I de-transitioned for two years. Not having any hormonal base turned me into a very sick person and was even affecting my thyroid adversely, so still not dealing with MtF transition I opted for injectable testosterone which lasted for one month, I hated the effects so much that I quit and went back on a feminizing HRT regimen. I'm married and going on 71 years old, and still enjoy normal male/female sex with my spouse which is more than most my age can say. You might say, well how can this be? I use a tiny amount of T cream under where my prostate is .02ml several times a week and it keeps erectile tissues functional without interfering with the effects of the feminizing hrt. I might add that the female HRT has kept me a lot more youthful looking than would otherwise be the case. Never say never, hope this is helpful!

Quote from: georges on March 09, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
huh...but i heard some people here saying they had quite good results

Who said that they got rid of their facial hair by just taking Antiandrogens?
It won't happen, you might get some reduced growth and they may get a bit thinner. Otherwise there isn't anything AA's kan do for you there.

The anti-androgen bicalutimide (Casodex) has anti-hirsutic properties as well.  My six months on that medication practically eliminated by leg hair and diminished my torso hair.  Beard growth slowed; however, the beard has returned in the past two years.  Leg hair is permanently reduced, as is torso hair.

Quote from: Jamie D on March 09, 2014, 02:55:16 PM
The anti-androgen bicalutimide (Casodex) has anti-hirsutic properties as well.  My six months on that medication practically eliminated by leg hair and diminished my torso hair.  Beard growth slowed; however, the beard has returned in the past two years.  Leg hair is permanently reduced, as is torso hair.

Did you notice that the thickness if your beard changed too?

Quote from: Bubblegum on March 09, 2014, 10:40:42 AM
Like I said, I'm in Holland now. Don't know how it is here. Google didn't really spit out anything aside from the MtF transgender people

I'm from the same country. We don't have the informed consent model here. And there's no ''try out first'' when it comes to hormones.. you need to be absolutely sure.

I don't want to give up your hopes but I really doubt you will be given AA in this country because you wish to keep an androgynous look.

That's what I was afraid of. The entire health care system just sucks. It's not like I'm asking for clonazepam or any addictive crap.
But basically you're saying without being a MtF trans person (and psychologist approved) you don't stand a chance?

Quote from: 930310 on March 09, 2014, 03:03:29 PM
Did you notice that the thickness if your beard changed too?

Mine was always thin and patchy anyway.  I noticed that the rate of growth changed on bicalutimide, and for some time after stopping the medication.

New alternative treatment in hirsutism: bicalutamide 25 mg/day

Quote from: Bubblegum on March 09, 2014, 05:42:18 PM
That's what I was afraid of. The entire health care system just sucks. It's not like I'm asking for clonazepam or any addictive crap.
But basically you're saying without being a MtF trans person (and psychologist approved) you don't stand a chance?

It's the major downside of our health care system.. the choices are made for you.
Of course there would be risks involved if you went on AA, like your fear of decreased libido. But risks be damned.. we're adults. Freedom over security.

I can't say for sure but yes, I think you need to be TS to get the hormones. There may be other ways to get AA.. I dunno.