Haha thanks everyone, ill try and take a better picture sometime today, although im extremely bad at taking them

Here it is Fuzed in the flesh. I'm happy that i look barely masculine when i shave.

Quote from: fuzed on March 14, 2014, 12:18:38 PM
Here it is Fuzed in the flesh. I'm happy that i look barely masculine when i shave.

I think you look great! Grow your hair out and everything will be just amazing.

Quote from: fuzed on March 14, 2014, 12:18:38 PM
Here it is Fuzed in the flesh. I'm happy that i look barely masculine when i shave.

I agree with Caitlyn. You have a good shape on your head and longer hair would definitely help!

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 02:41:08 PM
Last picture for a while.  Think I am going to tell my therapist tomorrow that I want to press pause on transitioning for now...

If you still want to pass I'd suggest fixing your eyebrows a little. Otherwise it's mostly good.

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 02:41:08 PM
Last picture for a while.  Think I am going to tell my therapist tomorrow that I want to press pause on transitioning for now...

Ever heard that beauty of the face is divided into thirds?  It's a well known concept used by visual artists.  Take the back of your hand, and using the photo you've put up here on Susan's, start at the top.  First, cover everything except the hair and eyes.  You will see a beautiful woman emerging, sans the eyebrows.  Then, cover everything except the chin and mouth.  Problem.  FFS will be good to you (not every FFS client would be as fortunate).  Your chin is still larger than normal, and you have lips with little fat in them.  Supposedly HRT can fatten up the lips better, but there are other solutions for that, too.  Next, cover everything except the chin, lips and nose.  You will see that the nose is very pretty, but would look better with a rhinoplasty. (would look like prominent).  So.....as you start at the top of your face, and considering each element on its own, as you go toward the bottom, it becomes more male-like.  The bony brow area of your face, from that view, doesn't look bad.  Your hairline, or at least the way you have your hair presenting it, looks MUCH better than many MtF's.  It appears you have been on HRT for awhile, but I wonder if awhile longer would help to, relatively speaking, shrink the appearance of the chin area.  I would NOT stop transitioning if I were you, and here's why. 

* beautiful hair
* beautiful eyes
* eyebrows that would only make the top third of your face all the more stunning, if shaped correctly
* FFS would EASILY resolve your nose, lips and chin issues
* you have a feminine profile to your look
* you are a trans woman, and even if you didn't pass 100% of the time you look VERY attractive for a transwoman and most who clock who would say to themselves "well, he (borrowing their wording, not mine) looks a hell of a lot better than most guys....in makeup and girl's clothing".  You 100% pass as a transwoman, in the face. 

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 02:41:08 PM
Last picture for a while.  Think I am going to tell my therapist tomorrow that I want to press pause on transitioning for now...

You don't look entirely female but if you choose to get FFS, I bet it'll make your face look more feminine. I do love the hair though!

HRT and transitioning are NOT the same thing.  You can feminize your body to match what you expect to see in the mirror, to what you identify as, but you do NOT have to transition to the other gender.  Many transwomen (and transmen) choose to not transition.  I completely empathize with your fears.  I am married, have a seven year old son, have a big time religious family on one side, and an ultra conservative one on the other side.  On top of that, I live in a poor state (Kentucky) that has little 'real' support for the transgender population, let alone the entire LGBT family.  You can be "in stealth" and have the body you want, and go out to clubs or with your "girlfriends", and be the girl you are in the privacy of your home (or on long walks, etc.) and not transition.  Please do not stop HRT because you don't think you can transition.  If you wait too long, you may start to lose your hair to balding, get crows feet, and other issues, and then things will be even more difficult as far as transitioning.  Also, if you hit pause on HRT, it can throw up a red flag to doctors / endo's and you may not be able to get back on it again the legal way.

Quote from: thevaliantx on March 14, 2014, 09:11:43 PM
HRT and transitioning are NOT the same thing.  You can feminize your body to match what you expect to see in the mirror, to what you identify as, but you do NOT have to transition to the other gender.  Many transwomen (and transmen) choose to not transition.  I completely empathize with your fears.  I am married, have a seven year old son, have a big time religious family on one side, and an ultra conservative one on the other side.  On top of that, I live in a poor state (Kentucky) that has little 'real' support for the transgender population, let alone the entire LGBT family.  You can be "in stealth" and have the body you want, and go out to clubs or with your "girlfriends", and be the girl you are in the privacy of your home (or on long walks, etc.) and not transition.  Please do not stop HRT because you don't think you can transition.  If you wait too long, you may start to lose your hair to balding, get crows feet, and other issues, and then things will be even more difficult as far as transitioning.  Also, if you hit pause on HRT, it can throw up a red flag to doctors / endo's and you may not be able to get back on it again the legal way.

I have to agree here with thevaliantx. That is, unless you have doubts about being trans? Three weeks is no where near long enough on hrt to have much of any results. Hrt takes time to work. However you can take it from someone, me, who knew at a very early age I was female -actually for as long as I can remember, that waiting too long to transition brings upon more difficulty. My reasons for waiting were family, career, and finances but mostly I waited for my family's sake hoping they would eventually come around, which didn't happen despite my always looking more like a girl than a guy, having small feminime features, being xxy to boot, and being an adoptee in a family that had a biological son. Long story short I lost the best years of my life to misery and despair that twice became so bad it almost cost me my life. And now at 49 going on 50 (I'll turn 50 this coming Halloween) I had hair loss issues (not male pattern baldness, but the female kind) that thankfully hrt is correcting, I have wrinkles, burn scars on my left side of my face from an aircraft accident, and the worse of all graying facial hair that is very very veeery difficult to get rid of (I'm Native American with black hair). Though I've for the most part gotten rid of all my dark facial hair with my own lasers and IPL device (flash-n-go) I have to use this very messy carbon dye on the grays to make my lasers somewhat effective. Had I transitioned sooner I'd have had a much happier life as the woman I am, I may never have been in that aircraft to have an accident, And I'd definately have no discusting repulsive wretched facial hair left for it would have been all treated while it was all one color.
For me, now that I am transitioning I wouldn't stop it for anything, and for me to be whole I must fully transition with SRS/GRS to remove that repulsive thing between my legs and replace it with what should have been there in the first place. Due to my more delecate features I probably won't need FFS with the exception of Rhinoplasty, but I will need VFS (voice feminization surgery) due to the damage waiting all these years has cost, and, I'll need some plastic surgery to remove the rest of these scars (I've already had some), scars I may never have had had I transitioned sooner at a much younger age.
On the other side of the coin though getting back to my 1st sentence, You have to know inside for yourself, not because of what other people think, but for what you think and how you feel, that you are female and transitioning is right for you to be happy. However I speak from experience when I say that holding off, or pausing or delaying your transition because of what other people may or may not think, your family may or may not accept you as female, or your afraid you may or may not lose a few friends, or because you live in Kentucky if you know in your heart, mind and soul your female will be the biggest mistake of your life, and you will regret it later. The dysphoria doesn't go away as the years go by, it gets worse and worse, and will eat you alive from the inside out if you let it. In the end, you must do what makes you and only you happy, for your happiness to live the best life you can as happy as you can.

I hope what I've said helps whatever you decide.

Ally

wow your being really bold in saying this LOL...couldn't resist

Quote from: Just Shelly on March 14, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
wow your being really bold in saying this LOL...couldn't resist

No, I'm not trying to be bold, self righteous, influence anybody's decisions, or anything like that. I'm only trying to help by sharing my own experiences over the years, and by sharing some of my regrets for waiting. If you notice I clearly state that the person must be sure with themselves that transitioning is right for them. Obviously, it isn't for everybody. Many MTF's don't need to fully transition to be happy as I do. In fully transitioning I'm only describing what is right for me. And how waiting so long to begin has made things more difficult. However it may not be right for everybody.

In the end we all must make our own decisions, and live with the consequences good or bad. What I said above is from the heart, and it wasn't easy for me to remeniss. My main point in the above words is only this: Our individual happiness no matter what level of transitioning we each decide to persue, should be each of our own decisions.

Allyda, exactly!  The thing that gives me HOPE that I will be able to express the real me in public is that there are transwomen out there with far worse circumstances surrounding transition than mine.   I didn't even realize that Fila had been on HRT for such a short period of time. 

Even though my wife is struggling with all of this, she does try to understand what is going on the minds of trans folk.  I told her of Fila's situation today, and she said that (she was addressing Fila) if you are going on HRT because you have all these expectations of what you will look like as a result of HRT, and if you are transitioning because of how you see yourself later on down the road, you are going to be disappointed. 

Not that << I >> am brave enough to do this, but I challenge any transwomen (or transman) to go out in public, dressed and presenting (very little to no makeup, though) how you would in a perfect world, using your natural voice and all (but talk femininely if you are MtF and roughly if you are FtM) and with a little exaggeration in  your movements...and just be happy.....and my gut feeling is that you will make it back to your vehicle, bus, bike, horse or even camel alive....and happier.  I'd love to see the pictures of others trying this approach.   

It all seems ironic to me because I personally know a transwoman (she lives full-time as a woman, even buying tampons) who is my age...went to school with her up to a point before she dropped out.  She does NOT have the most feminine face or even hands or feet.  She  has NOT had electrolysis, or even gone on HRT.  She has no money to do those things and lives here in Kentucky, where there are no clinics for this kind of stuff.  I don't like her, personally (she has a really vindictive personality).  One thing that she has a lot of that I don't have, is hair.  I can tell you this:  she is ALL GIRL, she shaves her face, puts on a little makeup (no foundation, just light lipstick, tweaks her eyebrows, wears eye shadow) and paints her nails sometimes.  While she is an unhappy person in general, as a woman she is riding it sky high.  She 'passes' because she accepts herself, froggy voice, muscular hands -- her body in general is a slender frame -- and just has that womanly demeanor about her.  Even if she gets clocked, no one will care because she doesn't care.  Oh, and she has boyfriends galore.  Most of them, that I've seen, are trash, but they obviously are going after a special kind of girl.   

Nooo makeup, crappy camera, raggedy oversized comfort hoodie that's seen better days, mcdonalds bag...general ghettoness...aka, I felt like posting a seriously raaw photo haha. Not sure WHAT I pass as in it, but w/e haha

Quote from: thevaliantx on March 14, 2014, 11:12:18 PM
Allyda, exactly!  The thing that gives me HOPE that I will be able to express the real me in public is that there are transwomen out there with far worse circumstances surrounding transition than mine.   I didn't even realize that Fila had been on HRT for such a short period of time. 

Even though my wife is struggling with all of this, she does try to understand what is going on the minds of trans folk.  I told her of Fila's situation today, and she said that (she was addressing Fila) if you are going on HRT because you have all these expectations of what you will look like as a result of HRT, and if you are transitioning because of how you see yourself later on down the road, you are going to be disappointed. 

Not that << I >> am brave enough to do this, but I challenge any transwomen (or transman) to go out in public, dressed and presenting (very little to no makeup, though) how you would in a perfect world, using your natural voice and all (but talk femininely if you are MtF and roughly if you are FtM) and with a little exaggeration in  your movements...and just be happy.....and my gut feeling is that you will make it back to your vehicle, bus, bike, horse or even camel alive....and happier.  I'd love to see the pictures of others trying this approach.   

It all seems ironic to me because I personally know a transwoman (she lives full-time as a woman, even buying tampons) who is my age...went to school with her up to a point before she dropped out.  She does NOT have the most feminine face or even hands or feet.  She  has NOT had electrolysis, or even gone on HRT.  She has no money to do those things and lives here in Kentucky, where there are no clinics for this kind of stuff.  I don't like her, personally (she has a really vindictive personality).  One thing that she has a lot of that I don't have, is hair.  I can tell you this:  she is ALL GIRL, she shaves her face, puts on a little makeup (no foundation, just light lipstick, tweaks her eyebrows, wears eye shadow) and paints her nails sometimes.  While she is an unhappy person in general, as a woman she is riding it sky high.  She 'passes' because she accepts herself, froggy voice, muscular hands -- her body in general is a slender frame -- and just has that womanly demeanor about her.  Even if she gets clocked, no one will care because she doesn't care.  Oh, and she has boyfriends galore.  Most of them, that I've seen, are trash, but they obviously are going after a special kind of girl.   

I myself have been living full time for the last 5 years even before hrt. I don't own any male clothes. But even when I did I was still for years prior always getting gendered as female, and it became increasingly impossible for me to pass as male. I'm in no way always getting spiffied up though. In fact, alot of times I go out with my hair in a pony, a tank or halter top with a light jacket and sweats with no makeup. I go as just, well, "Me" looking like a normal retired middle aged woman I am. I never get clocked despite sometimes I'm not feeling very feminine. I was sick all last week with the flu. A couple of times I couldn't avoid going out as I live alone and had to get some NyQuil and cough medicine. I had bed head, lol! but I did brush out my locks before heading into the Dollar General but the point is I looked terrible. You know I was never treated nicer as the cashears could see and by mt sniffles they could tell I was sick. However I was always addressed properly as Ms., Mam, etc., and a gentleman helped me out to my truck with my bags. It was Mme at my worse but it was just Me. Yea sometimes I do get gussied up but most of the time I'm just myself when I go out. I'm not overly confident nor underconfident (most of the time, lol) I'm just being myself, and it seems to work. Go figure.

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 11:55:14 PM
PSH!  Stop stressing, girl.  You are gorgeous! 

I bet you look great in the morning after the roughest sleep you ever had...

Haha, I'm actually not stressing, its just I always post pictures with makeup, nice clthes, etcand I wanted to post one that's more..au naturale haha cuz I feel like I'm only telling half the story by always poisting makeup pics. I most certainly look horrrid in the morning haha

Quote from: jussmoi4nao on March 14, 2014, 11:46:44 PM
Nooo makeup, crappy camera, raggedy oversized comfort hoodie that's seen better days, mcdonalds bag...general ghettoness...aka, I felt like posting a seriously raaw photo haha. Not sure WHAT I pass as in it, but w/e haha

You actually look very cute sitting there in that outfit. You have wonderful facial structure and wonderful skin. You look all girl to me.

Quote from: Allyda on March 14, 2014, 11:52:06 PM
I myself have been living full time for the last 5 years even before hrt. I don't own any male clothes. But even when I did I was still for years prior always getting gendered as female, and it became increasingly impossible for me to pass as male. I'm in no way always getting spiffied up though. In fact, alot of times I go out with my hair in a pony, a tank or halter top with a light jacket and sweats with no makeup. I go as just, well, "Me" looking like a normal retired middle aged woman I am. I never get clocked despite sometimes I'm not feeling very feminine. I was sick all last week with the flu. A couple of times I couldn't avoid going out as I live alone and had to get some NyQuil and cough medicine. I had bed head, lol! but I did brush out my locks before heading into the Dollar General but the point is I looked terrible. You know I was never treated nicer as the cashears could see and by mt sniffles they could tell I was sick. However I was always addressed properly as Ms., Mam, etc., and a gentleman helped me out to my truck with my bags. It was Mme at my worse but it was just Me. Yea sometimes I do get gussied up but most of the time I'm just myself when I go out. I'm not overly confident nor underconfident (most of the time, lol) I'm just being myself, and it seems to work. Go figure.

Omg I posted the above pic at the perfect time. Cuz tbh I feel the same lately. Like in that pic I obvs look terrible, but despite that I only get gendered female even looking like that.  Lately I've been trying to separate myself from this idea that I stop being "me" or female when ilI take my makeup off...I'm definitely less attractive, for sure, haha. But really, I realize more and more the reason I pass is cuz I'm just being myself and embodying my female essence, not cuz of makeup. I guess authenticity is pretty important to me so I'm trying to get beyond the idea of NEEDING makeup

Quote from: jussmoi4nao on March 15, 2014, 12:10:43 AM
Omg I posted the above pic at the perfect time. Cuz tbh I feel the same lately. Like in that pic I obvs look terrible, but despite that I only get gendered female even looking like that.  Lately I've been trying to separate myself from this idea that I stop being "me" or female when ilI take my makeup off...I'm definitely less attractive, for sure, haha. But really, I realize more and more the reason I pass is cuz I'm just being myself and embodying my female essence, not cuz of makeup. I guess authenticity is pretty important to me so I'm trying to get beyond the idea of NEEDING makeup

There ya go. You have those delicate feminine facial feartures as I do though I'm much older and wrinkled, lol! but not too bad for my age though. But you got it. Just be yourself no matter what your wearing or where you are. You don't stop being you just because you've taken your makeup off do you? Therefore you don't stop being a woman when the makeup comes off either. I know I don't.

I LOooooovve your eyebrows by the way. Are those natural? They have a nice arch and fit your face well.

Quote from: Allyda on March 15, 2014, 12:21:52 AM
There ya go. You have those delicate feminine facial feartures as I do though I'm much older and wrinkled, lol! but not too bad for my age though. But you got it. Just be yourself no matter what your wearing or where you are. You don't stop being you just because you've taken your makeup off do you? Therefore you don't stop being a woman when the makeup comes off either. I know I don't.

I LOooooovve your eyebrows by the way. Are those natural? They have a nice arch and fit your face well.

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Thankss you're really sweet and yeah, I agree with all that tho I still feel I look better with makeup atm,ihope as my hair regrows iget more confident going without it.

And aww thanks. They're mostly natural. I trim them to keep them tidy but follow their natural arch and such

Quote from: jussmoi4nao on March 15, 2014, 12:27:04 AM
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Thankss you're really sweet and yeah, I agree with all that tho I still feel I look better with makeup atm,ihope as my hair regrows iget more confident going without it.

And aww thanks. They're mostly natural. I trim them to keep them tidy but follow their natural arch and such

You'll be a knockout with or without makeup when your hair gets a little longer. Don't get me wrong your very cute now. Some women like you look great with shorter hair. I myself feel I don't because though I have the delicate features, I'm Native American and we don't doo well with shorter hair. I have had a pixie before though twice and all my friends loved it and said it made me look younger. But alas I like you prefer my hair longer. It's down to the middle of my back now and getting thicker also growing much faster since starting hrt. Anyway you look great! Wait til you start having trouble with men oggling you. It get's annoying I can tell you that, lol! but it does make you feel more feminine.