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Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female? 2.0

Started by V M, November 15, 2013, 06:49:08 AM

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FilaFord

Quote from: Allyda on March 15, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
You'll be a knockout with or without makeup when your hair gets a little longer. Don't get me wrong your very cute now. Some women like you look great with shorter hair. I myself feel I don't because though I have the delicate features, I'm Native American and we don't doo well with shorter hair. I have had a pixie before though twice and all my friends loved it and said it made me look younger. But alas I like you prefer my hair longer. It's down to the middle of my back now and getting thicker also growing much faster since starting hrt. Anyway you look great! Wait til you start having trouble with men oggling you. It get's annoying I can tell you that, lol! :laugh: but it does make you feel more feminine.

Are you kidding?!  She is a knock out no matter what!  <3 <3 <3
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jussmoi4nao

#1441
Quote from: FilaFord on March 15, 2014, 12:30:32 AM
Yep this is why I am not transitioning.  There are some that should (jussmoi4nao) and some that shouldn't (me) and I am not one to interfere with that!

That's not how I see it personally. It fundamentally comes down to need. When you need to transition, you will. It's as simple as that, because humans have very strong survival instincts and if luving as your birth sex compromises your ability to survive, transition becomes as natural as eating, drinking, breathing.

In my opinion, you need to be sure in transition. If you're not then don't worry about it. If it's meant to be, you'll GET sure pretty quick. If it's not you'll learn to live. Pretty simple stuff without mindf-ing.
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thevaliantx

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
The problem is that I do care... too much.  Way too much, in fact! 

Pretty much every trans person here cares about themselves, tremendously, enough that he or she decided to do something about it, society be damned. 

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
I don't want to get "clocked".

If you ever decide to resume your transition, you will.  Regardless of any amount of surgery you might have.  That's not an indictment on you, though.  If you stand in place long enough, someone in society will clock you.  Either they will pick you apart with their minds, try and scare you off with their words, clock you with their vehicles because you're standing in the middle of the highway.  That goes for anyone on this planet, natal or not.  There is not one single trans person on this planet who isn't aware of his or her lot in life, where he or she fits in with society, and who isn't worried about that 'secret' getting out. 

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
I don't want to be seen as anything but a human being.

Oh, you will be seen as a human being, you may just not be liked.  Last I checked, we still haven't found any signs of extraterrestrial life.  And, don't give me the spill about wanting to be treated like a human being, because God knows how that goes in parts of this world.  What you want is to be loved, and honey, whether you transition or not, how you are seen, treated or loved pretty much evens itself out regardless of what side of the fence you are on.  You can choose to chew the grass on the other side of the fence, or continue chewing where the last cow pooped. 

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
I don't have faith that our (the American) society will accept me, and that is not so much my preconception that others will judge me that way, as much as it is that I judge myself that way.

How you judge yourself, and how you perceive society will judge you, are two different things.  One really does not have a causal effect on the other.  You take someone who is, literally speaking, in their own world.  Nothing that occurs around that person even matters.

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
I'm not physically or mentally ready for such a drastic change, and even though my better judgment (and the judgment of those around me) says that I should not care, I do care.  I can't do it.  I am not ready to take the step.  I guess the massively overwhelming notion is that it's "transition or death" and right now I am not in that mindset.

I like me.  I like life.  I'm not ready to F*** up everyone else's preconceived notion of what I am just so that I can try and see if transitioning cures what ails me...

I just had a great heart-to-heart with my sister-in-law that my wife outted me to.   She told me that she thinks our family will accept me just fine.  I agreed with her, but that doesn't change the fact that I am not ready.  I wish I was, but I am simply just not ready for other people to start seeing me as something that I don't see myself as...

That quoted part has me wondering how you ended up on HRT in the first place.  I'm not a therapist, obviously, but my last therapist (who was following the older WPATH SOC) said that she does not write letters of referral for HRT until that time has come, where the client is 'ready', literally where the client can't stand to be in his or her present skin.  I do not want this conversation to turn into a "you're not a transsexual, so why are you here?", but I definitely do wonder how you got past the gatekeeper.  I say that out of concern for you, and am wondering about your therapist.  I have to warn you though:  many therapists, once a situation like this has happened, won't ever give a nod of acceptance for a client's wishes again, and because most are worried about maintaining their license, some will even refer their clients onto someone else.  Just be prepared.  They don't want their credentials or reputation tainted.   

Quote from: FilaFord on March 14, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
I wish it was easier, but it's not.  I hate these feelings and living as a male repressing these feelings seems much easier than living as a transwoman who expresses them.  I love everyone here.  You girls have given me so much courage, but I am not strong enough to pursue this life.  I know it should not be a choice, but I am not going to choose to transition anymore.  It will choose me if that time comes, but right now that time has not manifested itself yet!

So ..... you do not sound like your classic 'transsexual' case, but that certainly does not exclude you from being under the transgender umbrella.  Either you're transgender or completely nuts (no pun intended, lol), or you wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.  You can wait this one out, but you will find that the longer things change, the more they stay the same.  If those around you, as you perceive them, will not accept you because of some image of yourself that you've planted in their minds, then imagine how much more difficult that mold will be to break later on down the road.  If you're doing this to make THEM happy, then bank on nothing changing until they're gone. 

While I think this conversation would be more appropriate in the transition forum (or perhaps even the beauty section), let me close by saying this:  I had an epiphany, about a month ago, after chewing gaping wounds into both cheeks of my mouth, that I had been spending all these years of my life LIVING OTHER PEOPLES' LIVES.  I was making THEM happy, making THEM comfortable, giving THEM what they wanted, and as long as I continued to do those things they (seemingly) treated me with the respect and love I felt I deserved.  It was the moment that I decided that playing THEIR game was not a game I wanted to play anymore, that I found who THEY really were.  In all that chaos, they made themselves known.  Got what they wanted.  Living the grand life.  Problem is, they didn't know anything about me.  Why?  Because if they did, all of the above that I said about them would be untrue.  So .... it's not really about making yourself out to be a freak that is so upsetting to others, it's them being forced to ponder their own existence and how I have affected their existence, that makes them upset.  Ever heard the saying "I Know You Are, But What Am I..."?  Do you really know them?  Do they really know you?  How about all of you just start fresh and get to know each other?  Hugs, Kristy   :angel:
10-13 tried mother's finger nail polish, dresses and her heels
23 phase of body building and then suddenly cross dressing and wearing makeup
26 started calling myself Kristy in my voicemail recording
36 saw therapist, went on HRT and partially identified as Kristy
37 moved and started HRT again, dressing a little more feminitely
41 started HRT again, and wife made agreement if I would give up Kristy
45 started HRT again, this time for good, because wife didn't hold up her end of the agreement.  New agreement with 11 year old son and wife is that Kristy be present only at certain times and not around strangers or family, unless they are ready to be a part of Kristy.
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Allyda

#1443
Quote from: jussmoi4nao on March 15, 2014, 12:44:58 AM
That's not how I see it personally. It fundamentally comes down to need. When you need to transition, you will. It's as simple as that, because humans have very strong survival instincts and if luving as your birth sex compromises your ability to survive, transition becomes as natural as eating, drinking, breathing.

In my opinion, you need to be sure in transition. If you're not then don't worry about it. If it's meant to be, you'll GET sure pretty quick. If it's not you'll learn to live. Pretty simple stuff without mindf-ing.
Thanks, you explained that way better than I did, or tried to.
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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TotallyAwks

Quote from: jussmoi4nao on March 14, 2014, 11:46:44 PM
Nooo makeup, crappy camera, raggedy oversized comfort hoodie that's seen better days, mcdonalds bag...general ghettoness...aka, I felt like posting a seriously raaw photo haha. Not sure WHAT I pass as in it, but w/e haha


WOAH wait wut?
I had to read the rest of the thread to work it out real quick. I thought you were a cisgirl for a good 5 mins until i realised.
Just wow... you look incredibly good. holy crap.
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barbie

Quote from: Caitlyn on March 12, 2014, 04:20:59 PM
It's been awhile since I posted in this thread lol But I've started to change a few things about myself so I figured I'd post again. I've gotten a bit of a different haircut, more layering, side swept bangs. Also I've been practicing with makeup, and I feel like I'm starting to get the hang of it :) Thoughts?

      

You seem to have a very fair face. How about wearing eyeliner and mascara? I guess it will enhance greatly your feminine face.

barbie~~
Just do it.
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dualk87

Do you think i can pass. This is my first attempt at makeup with a cheep wig.
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thevaliantx

Quote from: dualk87 on March 15, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Do you think i can pass. This is my first attempt at makeup with a cheep wig.

You have a pretty face, but I'm trying to look at this without thinking it was done on a dare.  Try this:  take a bandana or a towel and cover up your head.  That will take the hair out of the equation.  Then, try with some makeup. 
10-13 tried mother's finger nail polish, dresses and her heels
23 phase of body building and then suddenly cross dressing and wearing makeup
26 started calling myself Kristy in my voicemail recording
36 saw therapist, went on HRT and partially identified as Kristy
37 moved and started HRT again, dressing a little more feminitely
41 started HRT again, and wife made agreement if I would give up Kristy
45 started HRT again, this time for good, because wife didn't hold up her end of the agreement.  New agreement with 11 year old son and wife is that Kristy be present only at certain times and not around strangers or family, unless they are ready to be a part of Kristy.
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amZo

Quote from: dualk87 on March 15, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Do you think i can pass. This is my first attempt at makeup with a cheep wig.

If you got a nice wig, plucked your eyebrows, and had a nice makeup job... you'd likely shock a few folks.  ;)
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930310

Quote from: dualk87 on March 15, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Do you think i can pass. This is my first attempt at makeup with a cheep wig.
You'll surely pass in the future. Some makeup and trimming your eybrows will do wonders!
Also, HRT will help you quite a bit too if you choose that way. :)
HRT on and off since January 20, 2014
Diagnosed with GD: March 2018

https://www.youtube.com/user/930310
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TotallyAwks

Quote from: dualk87 on March 15, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Do you think i can pass. This is my first attempt at makeup with a cheep wig.
Actually, you look fine.
aside from the eyebrows which need trimming :p (so do mine lolz)
I think maybe just try and "rough" that wig up a little... or however you say it xD

Or maybe its just how its cut... idk. i shouldnt be giving advice as ive never even tried to dress up haha.
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Allyda

Quote from: dualk87 on March 15, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Do you think i can pass. This is my first attempt at makeup with a cheep wig.
My advice, unless your bald lose the wig or get a better one that is a natural hair color ie: blonde, brown, rusty red, black -you get the idea. You have a face that will respond well to hrt.
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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barbie

Just do it.
  • skype:barbie?call
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thevaliantx

Quote from: barbie on March 15, 2014, 07:16:38 AM
Am I passing?







barbie~~

In western culture, you would be.  It appears to my eyes that you've found a way to move faster than light.  (everything is blurred out except for you, haha).  Ever watched the move The Langoliers?
10-13 tried mother's finger nail polish, dresses and her heels
23 phase of body building and then suddenly cross dressing and wearing makeup
26 started calling myself Kristy in my voicemail recording
36 saw therapist, went on HRT and partially identified as Kristy
37 moved and started HRT again, dressing a little more feminitely
41 started HRT again, and wife made agreement if I would give up Kristy
45 started HRT again, this time for good, because wife didn't hold up her end of the agreement.  New agreement with 11 year old son and wife is that Kristy be present only at certain times and not around strangers or family, unless they are ready to be a part of Kristy.
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AshleeLC

New Pics :D Breast growth has finally started to accelerate, and ive had some comments about growing "man boobs" lol






Weird face :D


Hoping I can eventually pass :D



Love is love, you are you, if the world cant see that, laugh and carry on. <3
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barbie

Quote from: thevaliantx on March 15, 2014, 07:38:38 AM
In western culture, you would be.  It appears to my eyes that you've found a way to move faster than light.  (everything is blurred out except for you, haha).  Ever watched the move The Langoliers?

The problem is that everybody knows that I am biologically male, although all of those aged women in the top photo adore my body shape.

barbie~~
Just do it.
  • skype:barbie?call
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AshleeLC

Quote from: jussmoi4nao on March 14, 2014, 11:46:44 PM
Nooo makeup, crappy camera, raggedy oversized comfort hoodie that's seen better days, mcdonalds bag...general ghettoness...aka, I felt like posting a seriously raaw photo haha. Not sure WHAT I pass as in it, but w/e haha


Extremely Jealous. Your not gonna have a single problem passing, heck, you dont now.


Love is love, you are you, if the world cant see that, laugh and carry on. <3
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jussmoi4nao

Quote from: Tic Est Ipse on March 15, 2014, 08:45:05 AM
Extremely Jealous. Your not gonna have a single problem passing, heck, you dont now.

Haha thankss and welll I'm actually pretty much "fulltime" now tho I dont really agree with the concept personally. I don't generally leave the house looking like I do in that pic, I dress muuch better and do my hair and wear makeup. I just wanted to post something really revealing and raw. I still get gendered female every time looking that way tho soo go figure.
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Allyda

Quote from: Tic Est Ipse on March 15, 2014, 08:31:16 AM
New Pics :D Breast growth has finally started to accelerate, and ive had some comments about growing "man boobs" lol
Weird face :D
Hoping I can eventually pass :D
I think as your hrt progresses you'll be amazed. You have good facial structure and after a year on hrt I think you'll see a few significant changes in your face. I'm only about a week more into my hrt than you are so I understand a little of what your feeling. Just remember hrt takes time and you'll do fine. You are alot younger than me so you have a great advantage in that T hasn't had that long to screw things up.
Allyda
Full Time August 2009
HRT Dec 27 2013
VFS [ ? ]
FFS [ ? ]
SRS Spring 2015



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930310

Quote from: Tic Est Ipse on March 15, 2014, 08:31:16 AM
New Pics :D Breast growth has finally started to accelerate, and ive had some comments about growing "man boobs" lol






Weird face :D


Hoping I can eventually pass :D
You have a very androgyne face already and I bet that it will change even more to your liking in the following months!
HRT on and off since January 20, 2014
Diagnosed with GD: March 2018

https://www.youtube.com/user/930310
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