I really don't consider myself religious, but my parents are very much so and it influences my life, I certainly cannot simply not think about it. The question is, if hell is real am I not going there for being transgendered? The bible does say a man or woman wearing the other genders clothes is an abomination. I'm so worried about this.

I'm an atheist, but the bible is clear. Eunuchs are among the most pious, and that is the closest parallel available.

Quote from: Hopeful cutie on March 19, 2014, 10:27:12 AM
I really don't consider myself religious, but my parents are very much so and it influences my life, I certainly cannot simply not think about it. The question is, if hell is real am I not going there for being transgendered? The bible does say a man or woman wearing the other genders clothes is an abomination. I'm so worried about this.

The bible doesn't say dressing in clothes of the opposite sex is an abomination. Can I make a suggestion don't listen to others interpretation of the bible or what God likes or doesn't like. Pray and ask for his guidance with this if God has a problem with it you will know.

That passage from Leviticus is a straw grabbed at by the group that wants to use it.  It was intended for a specific group of ancient Hebrew's though, and is in the context of neighborly dealings which is important for context. 

Abomination in the meaning of those passages applies to a clergy class of person, the effect today would be if your pastor has on a wool suit and a polyester pulpit gown, he cannot preach his Sunday sermon!  (Great for the congregation since they don't have to pay the dude!)

The abominations related to a death sentence involved clergy folk doing things the other religions' of the times clergy folk did and with the other religion's clergy folk.  Firing the renegade clergy was simpler that way.  Not good for their retirement prospects.

A couple that relate to non clergy people were the result of inaccurate scientific knowledge that has since been cleared up, ----well sorta cleared up unless you are a creation scientist and not all of them.

You are not going to hell baby! Remember G-D made us in the image of G-D, male and female. You are a part of that. The old testament Laws of Moses was used to guide believers before Christ's coming. It also says to follow ALL of the laws or it is an abomination. No one I know has ever followed all the laws prescribed in it. The Mosaic Laws became mute anyway when Jesus came. He himself said all you have to do to enter the kingdom of G-D is to profess a belief in G-D whole heartedly. The laws of Moses became void at that point. 

I'm not a biblical scholar, but Leviticus is part of the OT's Mosaic Law (aka: the law) which was given to the Jewish people -- unless you are of the Jewish faith, the Law isn't applicable to you: Christians are saved through faith in Jesus (read the book of Galation (sp?) -- only four chapters, really short); it's comforting to me, at least. 

I'd rather go to hell than end up in heaven with the people who think I'm an abomination. Or was it the other way around?

No the hell we experience is a bit different and on this earth.  But we need to keep the spirit and truths of the whole gospel, its compassion, its purity, etc, and get that main communion with Christ through prayer.  We need His help in transition big time, and He will give it.  The enemy, however, will seek to inflame any misunderstood scriptures, lies, bigotry, negative thinking and just plain gunk to get us to say oh well I'm done I might as well go out and live like heck...  that dear is a trick.

Not hell for trans.  Especially when you get that there are some physical causes for it that we didn't ask for,  making it a birth anomoly.

Keep posting in here there is a lot of help and most of us drove ourselves nuts on your very question, doing extensive research that eventually set us free to worship Jesus in Spirit and in Truth.

I am persueded that a person goes to hell from rejecting the free gift of salvation for their sins, not because someone is transgendered, or wears clothes of the opposite sex/gender which btw, isn't the same as being transgendered.

Now I needed that one tonight myself Malachite.  Thanks!

Quote from: Satinjoy on March 24, 2014, 06:59:13 PM
Now I needed that one tonight myself Malachite.  Thanks!

That is pretty comforting, isn't it? 

No. I was brought up in a very religious family also and always thought my fate was fixed. But when I finally got to the point where I felt this game was no fun any more and was ready to quit playing; I read a couple passages that spoke to me, and I began my transition that month. I have been blessed in that every time one door would close another would open. God created me, and he created me the way he wanted me to be, transsexual. He did not make a mistake, and people that continue to say God would not put a female spirit in a male body needs to read and study Job, God made it clear that he did not appreciate someone speaking for him, or questioning his plan. They may not understand his plan, neither do I; but that doesn't mean they should say it's not something God would do. That reeks of arrogance and pride, the same sin that brought down angels.

Kia Ora HC,

"Those who fear they shall suffer....already suffer what they fear !"

Metta Anatta

Quote from: Malachite on March 24, 2014, 06:39:46 PM
I am persueded that a person goes to hell from rejecting the free gift of salvation for their sins, not because someone is transgendered, or wears clothes of the opposite sex/gender which btw, isn't the same as being transgendered.

^ This! ^

Stop worrying. I'm an atheist myself and I reason that since there are no evidence of a hell existing I have nothing to worry about.

Quote from: Quarky on March 25, 2014, 09:05:16 AM
Stop worrying. I'm an atheist myself and I reason that since there are no evidence of a hell existing I have nothing to worry about.

Quarky that's like refusing to admit that a car is coming as you step out into traffic and by not acknowledging it's existence that it won't be there. No I think all of the previous posts were more helpful to the OP as it's been a consensus of billions who have gone before you that G-d is,

As someone who has a lot of faith in god and has read the bible and still does I have to say that there is nothing in there saying you are going to hell.  It is ignorant people who quote one line.  There is so much in there that if quoted out of context would mean we are all going to hell.  So please if you are truly concerned I suggest reading from front to back very slowly and really trying to understand what the text is saying.  If you can do that I am sure you will feel better and you will not have to concern yourself with what others are going to think.  Just remember that you can not argue with someone's faith.  It is never worth it.  I have learned that it is better to just smile and say that you have your own beliefs and do not expect them to understand yours so if they could display the same courtesy that would be wonderful.  I hope this helps.

Disclaimer: These are my opinions and I truly respect others belief systems what ever they may be.

Here is my opinion and I tread lightly as everyone has their own image of God. I was raised Lutheran. And I still believe in God, but that is where I went off on a tangent. Being somewhat intellectual, I found my self questioning the bible. So being the inquisitive person I am I started researching different religions and their origins. After talking with people who have actually read and helped translate the bible from the original scrolls and Greek and Hebrew text today's translation is so far from the original text and it is a wonder it makes any sense at all. This is the consensus of more than 90% of linguistic scholars. And that hold true to for Islam text also.

Are you going to hell? If there actually is one, I doubt it. I myself am a realist... I believe there is a creator, but it didn't happen in 3000 years. Let's face it, Science is based on fact where religion is based poor translations and faith. I am saddened by the number of people that have died due to religious beliefs. Anyway I am rambling. I feel God is inside each and every one of us and how we treat other people reflects his/her image. As humans I think when you put us into the vast wonder of creation we at this point do not have the ability to grasp it all, and are just a small part of that miracle.

There's a line about Bible quoting -- "Proof-text without context is pretext."  i.e., read the whole thing.  It's best, I think, to read the whole Bible, not small portions.  And especially not just single lines out of context. (Applies to more than the Bible.)

One approach suggested to reading the Bible is to look for repetition.  And, if you're Christian, to look for things repeated between both the old and the new testament.  A single line from the old testament is just that single line.  What you'll find repeated within and between the old and new testaments is (in somewhat varying wording*) "Love thy neighbor as thyself."  Not merely repeated, but in the new testament, this is the gospels quoting Christ.  That strikes me as being ultimate authority if you're a Christian.

What you'll find on reading more completely is that there is no asterisk -- no "unless they're gay, or trans*, or not Christian, or attend a different church or synagogue than you, or dress differently".  It is a straightforward commandment, no ifs, ands, or buts.  Christ puts this as the second highest of all commandments (the first being to worship the Lord).  Again, solid authority for Christians.

So, my take is that if Christians are enjoined to love you, as their neighbor, and without qualification, that you can not be on your way to hell for being who the Lord made you.

* The varying wording is also significant.  Think about some legalese -- "on or about the 15th", "will not bend, fold, spindle, or mutilate", "in, on, about, within, or near the premises".  The varying wording is to ensure that there's little difficulty in figuring out what is meant.  So it goes for the passage I quote.

ATTENTION: I am just stating my beliefs and I don't want to offend anyone or any religion...so, don't send me things like "you have no god on your heat" ...thank you.

You are not going to hell.

In my point of view we can live on hell or on paradise. We can be the devil or we can be god. God and the devil are nowehere but inside our hearts.

On my beliefs, there is nothing else than that. We have the power to be good and to do good for others. I think this is our purpose here on Earth. We cannot be seduced by the "dark side" (Am I a Jedi?) 

Religion is there to make us fear the unknown, to give us moral laws and make us fear breaking them, like the fear we have for breaking our "sacred" birth gender..the problem is that our morality changes...what could be something "wrong" and impossible centuries ago can now be totally accepted and mainly due to our advances in understanding who we are.  Religion can comfort us when we need to believe that there is something beyond death...but at the same time it is a huge brainwash that makes us blind and close-minded to everything that is not stated on the "sacred" books.

If there is a god that will send you to burn for all eternity just because you want to change your gender, then this god doesn't deserve your respect.

And the way you choose to live your life will never change who you are, your morality or turn you into a bad person.