I am reading a book called the Atlas of Anatomy and it reads,

"The clitoris is actually similar in structure to the penis, even to the extent of having a hood of labia equivalent to the foreskin and a small connecting band of tissue called the frenulum.

It is primarily an organ of sexual excitement. It is extreamely sensitive and when stimulated its spongy tissue fills with blood and becomes erect. Friction on the erect clitoris will usually lead to orgasm"

It must be great to be born female, you get to have a penis and a vagina at the same time. 2 for one deal.

Hmmm Interesting. Must be why it works when surgeons use penile skin to construct the clit during SRS.
So transwomen literally end up with a real clit! Cool.

Um, yeah, and they already technically have one prior to SRS. Everything comes from the same tissue... it's just a matter of how it's arranged. Honestly, it's those with male anatomy that come out ahead... the penis has far more areas of arousal than the vagina does. Ever hear of a man who can't orgasm? Plenty of women can't.

Quote from: asiangurliee on August 18, 2007, 02:00:43 PM
It must be great to be born female, you get to have a penis and a vagina at the same time. 2 for one deal.

Heh, well there's nothing stopping an anatomically female person having metoidioplasty (or just a clitoral release) and keeping the vagina.

Guess there's no reason why an anatomically male person couldn't have colon section vaginoplasty without losing their penis either...

um... except that you'd have all that pain, and... oh yeah, an ass for a vagina!

Quote from: DeanO on August 18, 2007, 03:12:07 PMEver hear of a man who can't orgasm? Plenty of women can't.

Or maybe their partners just don't know what the hell they're doing. >

Quote from: Andra on August 18, 2007, 03:18:39 PM
Heh, well there's nothing stopping an anatomically female person having metoidioplasty (or just a clitoral release) and keeping the vagina.

Except that if they're not on T, chances are the clitoris wouldn't be large enough to be visible with a meta or a release.

Dennis

other diffrence...  the penis has only about half the nerve receptors a clitoris does... but makes up for that in the amount of "contact area" available...

Quote from: Dennis on August 18, 2007, 07:54:36 PM

Quote from: Andra on August 18, 2007, 03:18:39 PM
Heh, well there's nothing stopping an anatomically female person having metoidioplasty (or just a clitoral release) and keeping the vagina.

Except that if they're not on T, chances are the clitoris wouldn't be large enough to be visible with a meta or a release.

Dennis

Yeah, I was thinking of somebody who was on T.

Biology 101. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_genital_development

QuoteA few weeks after fertilization, the initial appearance of the human fetal genitalia is basically feminine: a pair of urogenital folds with a small protuberance in the middle, and the urethra behind the protuberance.

In typical fetal development, the presence of the SRY gene causes the fetal gonads to become testes; the absence of it allows the gonads to continue to develop into ovaries. Thereafter, the development of the internal reproductive organs and the external genitalia is determined by hormones produced by fetal gonads (ovaries or testes) and the cells response to them.

If the fetus has testes, and if the testes produce testosterone, and if the cells of the genitals respond to the testosterone, the outer urogenital folds swell and fuse in the midline to produce the scrotum; the protuberance grows larger and straighter to form the penis; the inner urogenital swellings swell, wrap around the penis, and fuse in the midline to form the penile urethra.

If testosterone is not present, normal female development continues, with the development of a perineal urethra and the formation of a uterus, clitoris and vagina.

The Müllerian ducts, which are paired ducts of the embryo which empty into the cloaca, and which develop into the upper vagina, cervix, uterus and oviducts; in the male they disappear except for the vestigial vagina masculina and the appendix testis.

Because of their common origin in fetal anatomy, a number of male and female anatomical features are said to be homologous; for example, the clitoris and penis are homologous with one another, as are Skenes glands in females and the prostate gland in males.

Most of the time, the result of fetal genital development follows the stereotypical male or stereotypical female development path. However, in a small but significant minority of cases, the path of development follows an intermediate or other pathway, leading to what are called ambiguous genitalia, one condition of those known as intersexuality.

Quote from: Pia on August 19, 2007, 02:35:52 AM
Biology 101. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_genital_development

QuoteA few weeks after fertilization, the initial appearance of the human fetal genitalia is basically feminine: a pair of urogenital folds with a small protuberance in the middle, and the urethra behind the protuberance.

In typical fetal development, the presence of the SRY gene causes the fetal gonads to become testes; the absence of it allows the gonads to continue to develop into ovaries. Thereafter, the development of the internal reproductive organs and the external genitalia is determined by hormones produced by fetal gonads (ovaries or testes) and the cells response to them.

If the fetus has testes, and if the testes produce testosterone, and if the cells of the genitals respond to the testosterone, the outer urogenital folds swell and fuse in the midline to produce the scrotum; the protuberance grows larger and straighter to form the penis; the inner urogenital swellings swell, wrap around the penis, and fuse in the midline to form the penile urethra.

If testosterone is not present, normal female development continues, with the development of a perineal urethra and the formation of a uterus, clitoris and vagina.

The Müllerian ducts, which are paired ducts of the embryo which empty into the cloaca, and which develop into the upper vagina, cervix, uterus and oviducts; in the male they disappear except for the vestigial vagina masculina and the appendix testis.

Because of their common origin in fetal anatomy, a number of male and female anatomical features are said to be homologous; for example, the clitoris and penis are homologous with one another, as are Skenes glands in females and the prostate gland in males.

Most of the time, the result of fetal genital development follows the stereotypical male or stereotypical female development path. However, in a small but significant minority of cases, the path of development follows an intermediate or other pathway, leading to what are called ambiguous genitalia, one condition of those known as intersexuality.

Informative.

I believe so yes!

So basically... SRS is exchanging one penis for another penis?..
Like.. Changing winter tires for summer tires?... <--- or is that an analogy gone bad..... 

Quote from: no_id on August 22, 2007, 12:06:05 PM
So basically... SRS is exchanging one penis for another penis?..
Like.. Changing winter tires for summer tires?... <--- or is that an analogy gone bad..... 

Well... no.  It's still the same penis, just changed in size.

Quote from: Lisbeth on August 22, 2007, 01:08:46 PM

Quote from: no_id on August 22, 2007, 12:06:05 PM
So basically... SRS is exchanging one penis for another penis?..
Like.. Changing winter tires for summer tires?... <--- or is that an analogy gone bad..... 

Well... no.  It's still the same penis, just changed in size.

Winter and summer tires vary in size too though...
Nevertheless, *digs up another analogy*
Like... Blowing up a balloon or taking out the air; it's still the same balloon. 

Quote from: no_id on August 22, 2007, 01:14:32 PM

Quote from: Lisbeth on August 22, 2007, 01:08:46 PM

Quote from: no_id on August 22, 2007, 12:06:05 PM
So basically... SRS is exchanging one penis for another penis?..
Like.. Changing winter tires for summer tires?... <--- or is that an analogy gone bad..... 

Well... no.  It's still the same penis, just changed in size.

Winter and summer tires vary in size too though...

All the same, I'd rather not have a winter penis with metal studs (the way most winter tires are hereabouts).

  Nfr

Well, human are all born female but during chemical reaction during birth it form the baby into male.
Just like every chemical reaction, mistake happen.
Weird is no one find way to change female to male but they did find way changing male to female.

Quote from: born2learn on August 29, 2007, 02:31:57 PM
Well, human are all born female but during chemical reaction during birth it form the baby into male.
Just like every chemical reaction, mistake happen.
Weird is no one find way to change female to male but they did find way changing male to female.

Born female?  sorry but that's not what I know.  all embryos are physically female during the first trimester of gestation.  They've got a clitoris, gonads and labia.  Each embryo none the less is imprinted with a chromosomal make up.  XX for girl, XY for boy and unindentified combinations that produce the various degrees of intersexuality.  When an embryo has an XX chromosomal make up, no testosterone is produced; thus her genitals dont evolve and remain female.  The clitoris remains a clitoris, the labia shapes itself around the vagina and the gonads become ovaries.  Yet if an embyo has an XY makeup, testosterone production happens and changes the embryo's genitals; thus the labia turns into the scrotum, the gonads into testicles and the clitoris into a penis.  Maleness (in the form of testosterone) is an addition.  Without testosterone, all embryos would remain female despite of chromosomal makeup.

Let's not even get into the hyenas...

http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SUA06/hyena.html

Quote from: Seshatneferw on August 22, 2007, 02:05:17 PM
All the same, I'd rather not have a winter penis with metal studs (the way most winter tires are hereabouts).

There are some primitive tribes where they cut slits in the penis and insert rocks then let the skin heal up over them.