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Started by TheQuestion, April 11, 2014, 03:36:38 AM

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TheQuestion

Hi ladies; this is a long time coming, my being here, or at least my finally seeking help.  I'm experiencing some pretty severe dysphoria right now, in-fact, I have been for the last year or so.  I've been suffering for the majority of my life now and, as time drags on, things only seem to get worse.  Anyway, here are a few pics of me dressed, and one of my male face.  Let me know what you think.  I know it's mileage may vary; but just give me an idea of whether you think I could pass well enough following through with everything.  I'd be aiming for full time/passable in about three years...

I recently turned 26 (I could pass for 18-26) and since childhood have been totally hiding my feelings.  Recently I came out to my mother, sister, and a few other family members (the ones who matter).  Actually, I've been horribly depressed and a bit suicidal over the last few months, so it kind of came out that I was trans through my venting.  I've shocked everybody.  I tried to appear "normal" as a kid.  I read comic books, played video games, and was great at baseball.  I don't really have any friends, sad I know.  In high school I was very popular, but since then I've kind of withdrawn, quietly wandered through college and work.  It's a shame.  I'm really friend-worthy IMO.  My family seems to want me to just get help.  They'd support me, or not fully abandon me at least - but how relationships would truly be affected, I don't know.

I've known deep down, not so deep down actually, that I wanted to be female since around five years old, at least I had a feeling.  I remember watching Power Rangers, looking ordinary to my parents, while wanting to be the pink ranger inside.  Wanting to be the female characters within media outlets was, and is, a pattern that persists strongly still.  I wasn't so sure of what I was feeling at that age, once I hit middle school I began to realize that I wanted to be female, but I didn't know how and was scared to tell anyone.  Once high school hit I relegated those feelings to "no way you could ever be a woman... just ignore it."  I remember being 19, sitting in a college class, and getting so depressed looking at all the young women that I got up, left, and had to fight back the tears as I walked down the hall.  I was upset at that moment because it hit me - I was fully grown, maybe there was a chance, but I guess it's gone.  I'm now angry that I didn't begin transitioning then, afraid that if I don't now, I'll be writing of this moment in 7 years.

The thing that bothers me the most is that I'm so conflicted while at the same time knowing exactly what I want.  I want to be a woman.  I'm just not sure if I'm transitionable.  I began going out for rides en femme about a year ago, this turned up the dysphoria.  I realized for the first time in my life that I could maybe pass as a woman, maybe even well, despite what I'd always seen as being impossible.  I got a mono-filament lace-front wig (not the best, but OK) matching my hair color, make up, breast forms etc.  I've been going out on Friday nights, prob about ten times now, and I'm fairly certain that I pass for what I'm doing.  I don't feel that I can get out of the car yet, and that's what depresses me, but I drive through major city's, stop at red lights and look directly at people of all sorts and no one seems to think twice.  I've had a number of men glaring at me and a college guy said "hello" in a playful type of way while sort of giving me a lustful look. 

-I'm 6 feet tall at the most, sometimes I come out as about 5' 11" and 3/4".  I'm aware that most models are about 5'9-6'0", and I think it's a lot more common than people realize to see a women 5'10" or taller, so height alone doesn't concern me. 

-My hands are massive; they don't always look bad, but there huge - huge knuckles, couple screwed up looking joints, all bone, veins, long and wide.  My fingers themselves are pretty slender and long, and I have the female digit ratio, it's really the veins that make them look super masculine. 

-My chest cavity doesn't seem huge-huge, but I feel like it could be a problem - I'm a 38 bra band and I'm not so sure if I'd be possible for me to get much lower, 36 would feel great.  I do have a decent amount of muscle on my back and under arms...

-I feel I have a decent face (nice, smooth skin too); I'm not sure, but I feel through hormones, electrolysis, and a little FFS you could make my face very female and attractive. 

-I've lost a little hair, but I'd say I have more than enough to lower and feminize my hairline and totally thicken me up across, and that's without the potential thickening from hormones. 

-My Adam's apple is there but I would't say it's prominent, could probably be totally shaved or very close. 

-I'm sure my breasts wouldn't fully develop, and frankly I'd probably need to augment regardless, being my size.  I'd probably go a size or two bigger than those forms in the pic, D or DD...

-I tend to be pretty lean.  I'm essentially all muscle.  I don't necessarily look it (which is good) and they aren't huge, but I'm all muscle.  I have athletic shoulders, about 18", so not huge, but still bulky and strong looking.  I'm very lean, but athletic looking.  HRT should hopefully shrink my muscles a bit and soften the definition, that could do a lot for me.  My trapezius muscle; neck and down the center of back, seems to have a good amount to lose.  My legs are also pretty muscular, but not bulky.  I feel that I could develop killer legs if my calves shrunk a bit...

-Bought a women's size 12 shoe and it doesn't stay on my foot, so I'd say I'm a 10 or 11, not bad for a woman of my height.

-I have the ability to drop and gain weight in a flash.  I could easily drop down to 130, maybe even 125, before HRT then put on 40 or so while on, then maybe drop 10 or have the fat transferred from my male areas to female. 

-I'd consider butt implants if I needed; I feel like having a fuller bottom would be important for me given my size. 

-I'd want to have full bottom srs

-In that pic I'm about 155-160lbs, my waist is about 32".  Hopefully, while on hormones, my waist would be an inch or two lower.  When I'm about 140lbs its 28"-29".

-My voice isn't totally deep at all; I could probably develop it well enough, but part of me (I know the risks) would want vocal feminization...

I'm going to see a therapist and hopeful I'll be able to get into some sort of support group.  I really need to sort this out.  I'm realizing that I made a mistake in not realizing what I was earlier and I'm afraid that I can't fix things now.  I know a lot of people will say it isn't about passing, but for me that's a big part for me, I'd like to at least not be an obvious ts.  That's why I'm conflicted; I feel that I could potentially end up looking like an attractive + size model or a man with implants.  Thanks in advance...
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immortal gypsy

Hi The Question and welcome first details which ranger (mine where Kimberly and Jen).

You mentioned a therapist that's good they can be expensive but that's what they do help us sort out our problems. Most of us here have been where you are before so don't be afraid to speak up and ask for help when needed. Other times jump right in and join the fun, I've yet to find someone who bites.

I hope you find the answers your looking for
Do not fear those who have nothing left to lose, fear those who are prepared to lose it all

Si vis bellum, parra pacem
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V M

The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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CaitlinH

Hey TheQuestion, welcome to the forums! :D

Everyone past puberty wishes that they could have transitioned younger no matter how old they are, so that's totally normal. At 26 you're still really young and in the prime of your life, so while you may have had to pretend to be something you're not for this long, there's so much time left to be yourself. I really wouldn't worry about 'passing' from what you've described, you'd be surprised how masculine some cis women can look and still be gendered as female. One of the most profound effects of feminising hormones is the reduction of muscle mass to a more feminine pattern. Shoulders often reduce in width by a few inches simply from the muscles shrinking.

I definitely agree with seeing a therapist, they're fantastic for helping you with your doubts about the process if you're dead set on it as well as providing a friendly ear to talk to. This site is also fantastic for support from people who know exactly what you're going through and I'm sure you'll fit in here just fine!
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TheQuestion

Hi again, and thanks to all who've replied thus far; it really does help knowing that there is somewhere to speak freely with others who are in the same situation.  Obviously people are more empathetic here, knowing how displaced things can feel, and I'm grateful for that.

To answer your question Immortal Gypse, it was Kimberly, I was a Mighty Morphing kid.  That's the odd thing actually, and a big part of my ignoring how I felt - she wasn't my favorite ranger.  What I mean is, even though I may have liked a character better, Green/White Ranger, if I'd have had a choice, I'd have chosen to be pink (always the female character).  It was the same with X-Men and everything else - Wolverine was my favorite, but I wanted to be Jean Grey.  I've always liked a lot of male oriented things - don't much care for sports anymore though - and I always kind of let that jade me.

I was able to deal for a long time and thought that I was just strange.  I didn't really fully understand gender dysphoria and didn't think that I had it.  I feel like I've gotten more masculine over the last couple years and that sort of turned up the dial to a point where I'm basically disgusted by my male characteristics, and afraid of masculinizing further.  The feelings of regret and everything that I mentioned before have picked up as well.  I'm fairly certain that I'm certifiably gender dysphoric, though not officially diagnosed.  I'm not crazy; I'm fairly well accomplished academically, so I respect everyone here as being fully capable, ordinary human beings; which I feel I am.  I just hate that people don't understand fully
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TheQuestion

Wow, I totally forgot to say what I wanted to say in that last post, or at least a good portion of it.

Anyway, sorry for claiming I'd have pics.  I'm too much of a bum to post any at this point, once I'm at a high enough level, I'll re-up this post.  No distasteful pictures or anything.  I've always been very self-conscious about my appearance as either gender.  I may be good looking, not sure at all, I really don't know for the life of me.  I feel that as a female I may look reasonably attractive, I'm just afraid of being slightly too largely skeletoned to pull it off.  I'm not sure though.  A pic with me all done up should hopefully give people an idea of how well I may pass after all is said and done, I'd just like some opinions.

Anyway, thanks again...
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TheQuestion

Well, apparently I can post photos now, but I still can't figure it out.  I uploaded an avatar pic at least, that's me.  It was taken two months ago tops, so it's very recent.  I hope it doesn't look like I'm just wearing a bra, it wasn't, it was a thin strapped top. 

Anyway, that's a decent pic, but my lip stick is smudged and it's probably several hours after having applied it.  I need to slap makeup on constantly to prevent beard from showing through, so after a while I look like a clown.  I have thick and dark beard hair.  I don't like wearing so much make up, but I have to for coverage and it softens my features a bit.  Plus, my face has gotten a bit fat-less over the last year and I feel like I'm sagging a bit around the mouth, cheeks, and under my eyes; it's noticeable in certain lighting, while in others I look totally fine.  With maybe fat transfers, hrt, ffs, electrolysis, and the hopeful skin texture change, I wouldn't need to wear much if any makeup at all. 

I really have no clue if I have a face that can be feminized through either ffs or hrt.  My head isn't very big.  I'm not totally masculine looking, but I do look like a guy through the face, I'd say, but maybe in a softer way I guess...

I do have male gender markers in my face that you can't really make out from that pic, not too bad, but I probably would need ffs if I was going to pass.  In general, I like my face and the shape of my features, just need to be tweaked a bit, have a few masculine features removed.  I think that's probably from a month ago or so
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Ms Grace

If that avatar is you I honestly can't see how anyone would perceive you as anything but female.

I'm 6'3" and seem to do OK!

Welcome to Susan's!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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TheQuestion

I think from the neck up I could do well.  Like I said, definitely have male markers in my face, sometimes I feel flat out rugged.  You can't see them really in that pic, but I would need ffs.  I'd be fine with that though. 

And that's a wig, a medium quality one, basically my hair color.  My hair is still nice and dark, but I've had a decent amount of recession and thinning across.  Still a lot of hair though I'd say - could pass as a fairly full head - also have a lot of thin hairs that could thicken up with hrt.  I'd probably need a decent sized hair transplant, nothing monumental, for the lowering and thickening across.  As long as hrt halted any further loss, I'd probably be OK or good...

It's really the height, hand size, and maybe bone structure from the ribs up.  The lower ribs, I suppose I could corset or bind, I'd dedicate to it for a number of years.  I'd be nice if I could tapper them in a bit, even a bit would probably help. 

I don't feel my bone structure is huge, but I'd not call it slim.  I'm slim, but my bone structure is probably medium (tiny wrists though, so I could be a mix).  I'm a bit of a freak athlete.  My arms aren't huge, probably normal sized to small for someone at my height and weight, but when I flex the entire thing turns to muscle (not huge muscle, but clearly all muscle, so I guess don't flex).  My skeleton even feels and looks athletic.  My hands are enormous, and in a noticeable way. Not meaty, just all bone, they look like they could do damage.

I'd be fine with being built like Wonder Woman, but I don't want to have a body that's just off enough to clearly out me.  At some angles I look great, my body I mean, but others I look thick.   I do feel that I bulge with muscle sometime, alibi not huge muscle, so hopefully hrt would shrink that up, I'm just not sure if there's much "size" to loose.

Thank you for the comment and you look great by the way...
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TheQuestion

Quote from: Ms Grace on April 13, 2014, 04:22:04 AM
If that avatar is you I honestly can't see how anyone would perceive you as anything but female.

I'm 6'3" and seem to do OK!

Welcome to Susan's!

and from looking at your picture, I'd say you have a slighter bone structure than I for the additional three inches...
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CaitlinH

Going by your avatar you look absolutely fantastic, as Grace said I can't imagine you being perceived as anything other than female. Pretty much every trans person I've met has said that passing is all above the shoulders anyway, so I don't think you have anything to worry about. :)
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TheQuestion

wow, thank you, I feel a bit better now. I'm still hung up on the male skeleton, but it's great to hear a few saying I look decent. I've literally never had a relationship with anyone, family members have been the only ones to ever tell me that I'm attractive, as a guy at least. I've sort of always hated the way I look. I'm grossly self-conscious...
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Ms Grace

Quote from: TheQuestion on April 13, 2014, 10:49:51 AM
I'm grossly self-conscious...

That is frequently many trans* peoples' number one enemy.  :-\
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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