Quote from: Nicolette on April 12, 2014, 06:09:50 PM
Without doubt, I'd prefer to be an ordinary looking genetic woman than a bombshell unpassable "->-bleeped-<-". Many cis-super models look exceptionally ordinary without the war paint and rags. And this is the thing.

This is very true,  It's amazing how often we forget this, and think that's how super models look all the time.

I'm not saying super models aren't beautiful naturally, though, no.

QuotePlace a very attractive ts into a crowd of cis-women and they suddenly become very ordinary indeed.

I agree 

Quote from: FA on April 12, 2014, 09:22:07 PM
That is very true, chic. I'm glad I'm not alone. I think some transgirls are way too hard on themselves, even though they're beautiful. I swear it, transgirls can be as attractive as any cis girl.. There are a lot of them too.


Yep. Cis women certainly don't have a monopoly on beauty.

Anyway, it sucks we live in society where women are so judged on the outside. It's a detriment to all women, cis and trans, beautiful and less so. Every last woman in this thread should know she is beautiful no matter her outsides.

thank you very much for the kind words.

Quote from: FA on April 12, 2014, 09:22:07 PM
Every last woman in this thread should know she is beautiful no matter her outsides.

As if!

Why do you think I post an avatar of my fictional anthro teenage genetic female counterpart?

I honestly think aesthetically speaking the prettiest transgirls and feminine androgynes are the most beauitiful creatures on earth. I've seen some stunning ones on this site (rarer, but they're here), real life, YouTube, fashion magazines and cisgirls just pale in comparison, they're so bland anddull compared to that kind of unique, almost futuristic, beauty. That's one area where I don't have internalized transphobia.

But then I suppose it's partly cuz I'm attracted to men, so I can appreciate the beauty purely aesthetically without sexual attraction coming into play. Maybe some users have these feelings because of their internalized homophobia clashing with their sexuality.

There is ZERO reason an MtF can't be prettier than most cisgirls. Truth be told? I'm hotter than most basic biatches in my town. I live in the South so that plays a role. But yeah, I have a not bad face, I'm good at makeup when I give an effort, I try to dress well, I got a nicely proportioned body, not bad tits. And honestly, im just getting started, im not anywhere neaar finished. I have tons of insecurities and some days I feelsoo not pretty and I wana die (like today), but most of the time that's one thing I've got.

For everything I said I didn't say anything as bad as what that implies, really. I may have come off as arrogant but that's plain ignorant. Y'all can be as beautiful as you're gonna be.if you're not, luck of the draw, too bad. But simply having T slapped on you doesn't mean you can't be beautiful, or exceptionally beaitiful, or surpass ciswomen, cuz that's so not true.

Yes, I'm arrogant, and no im not perfect, inside OR out. I am as source designed me no more, no less. I had a long day (stupidd birthday) and I'm in a no BS mood, so I'm mildly lucid right now, which is rare these days tbh. And honestly? Miranda Kerr is ehh. Amazing body obvs anyone would be jealous, but kinda ehh face. Opinion is a funny thing.

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Chic,

I have to say this to you too babydoll, I haven't seen many pics but you aare beautiful from what I've seen. Let that grow into something fabulous that resonates inside AND out. Don't let the naysers on here get you down and think you're less than, but careful not to turn out a vain, empty, arrogant vapid youth, beauty obsessed whiny b-ch like me. But you won't, I can tell, for sure!

Quote from: Abbyxo on April 12, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
I honestly think aesthetically speaking the prettiest transgirls and feminine androgynes are the most beauitiful creatures on earth. I've seen some stunning ones on this site (rarer, but they're here), real life, YouTube, fashion magazines and cisgirls just pale in comparison, they're so bland anddull compared to that kind of unique, almost futuristic, beauty. That's one area where I don't have internalized transphobia.

But then I suppose it's partly cuz I'm attracted to men, so I can appreciate the beauty purely aesthetically without sexual attraction coming into play. Maybe some users have these feelings because of their internalized homophobia clashing with their sexuality.

There is ZERO reason an MtF can't be prettier than most cisgirls. Truth be told? I'm hotter than most basic biatches in my town. I live in the South so that plays a role. But yeah, I have a not bad face, I'm good at makeup when I give an effort, I try to dress well, I got a nicely proportioned body, not bad tits. And honestly, im just getting started, im not anywhere neaar finished. I have tons of insecurities and some days I feelsoo not pretty and I wana die (like today), but most of the time that's one thing I've got.

For everything I said I didn't say anything as bad as what that implies, really. I may have come off as arrogant but that's plain ignorant. Y'all can be as beautiful as you're gonna be.if you're not, luck of the draw, too bad. But simply having T slapped on you doesn't mean you can't be beautiful, or exceptionally beaitiful, or surpass ciswomen, cuz that's so not true.

Yes, I'm arrogant, and no im not perfect, inside OR out. I am as source designed me no more, no less. I had a long day (stupidd birthday) and I'm in a no BS mood, so I'm mildly lucid right now, which is rare these days tbh. And honestly? Miranda Kerr is ehh. Amazing body, kinda ehh face. Taste is a funny thing.

I wouldn't worry about being bold. You need to support your self too.

Quote from: Abbyxo on April 12, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
I honestly think aesthetically speaking the prettiest transgirls and feminine androgynes are the most beauitiful creatures on earth. I've seen some stunning ones on this site (rarer, but they're here), real life, YouTube, fashion magazines and cisgirls just pale in comparison, they're so bland anddull compared to that kind of unique, almost futuristic, beauty. That's one area where I don't have internalized transphobia.

But then I suppose it's partly cuz I'm attracted to men, so I can appreciate the beauty purely aesthetically without sexual attraction coming into play. Maybe some users have these feelings because of their internalized homophobia clashing with their sexuality.

There is ZERO reason an MtF can't be prettier than most cisgirls. Truth be told? I'm hotter than most basic biatches in my town. I live in the South so that plays a role. But yeah, I have a not bad face, I'm good at makeup when I give an effort, I try to dress well, I got a nicely proportioned body, not bad tits. And honestly, im just getting started, im not anywhere neaar finished. I have tons of insecurities and some days I feelsoo not pretty and I wana die (like today), but most of the time that's one thing I've got.

For everything I said I didn't say anything as bad as what that implies, really. I may have come off as arrogant but that's plain ignorant. Y'all can be as beautiful as you're gonna be.if you're not, luck of the draw, too bad. But simply having T slapped on you doesn't mean you can't be beautiful, or exceptionally beaitiful, or surpass ciswomen, cuz that's so not true.

Yes, I'm arrogant, and no im not perfect, inside OR out. I am as source designed me no more, no less. I had a long day (stupidd birthday) and I'm in a no BS mood, so I'm mildly lucid right now, which is rare these days tbh. And honestly? Miranda Kerr is ehh. Amazing body obvs anyone would be jealous, but kinda ehh face. Opinion is a funny thing.

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Chic,

I have to say this to you too babydoll, I haven't seen many pics but you aare beautiful from what I've seen. Let that grow into something fabulous that resonates inside AND out. Don't let the naysers on here get you down and think you're less than, but careful not to turn out a vain, empty, arrogant vapid youth, beauty obsessed whiny b-ch like me. But you won't, I can tell, for sure!

...

... and Happy Birthday Abby!

Quote from: Abbyxo on April 12, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
I honestly think aesthetically speaking the prettiest transgirls and feminine androgynes are the most beauitiful creatures on earth. I've seen some stunning ones on this site (rarer, but they're here), real life, YouTube, fashion magazines and cisgirls just pale in comparison, they're so bland anddull compared to that kind of unique, almost futuristic, beauty. That's one area where I don't have internalized transphobia.

But then I suppose it's partly cuz I'm attracted to men, so I can appreciate the beauty purely aesthetically without sexual attraction coming into play. Maybe some users have these feelings because of their internalized homophobia clashing with their sexuality.

There is ZERO reason an MtF can't be prettier than most cisgirls. Truth be told? I'm hotter than most basic biatches in my town. I live in the South so that plays a role. But yeah, I have a not bad face, I'm good at makeup when I give an effort, I try to dress well, I got a nicely proportioned body, not bad tits. And honestly, im just getting started, im not anywhere neaar finished. I have tons of insecurities and some days I feelsoo not pretty and I wana die (like today), but most of the time that's one thing I've got.

For everything I said I didn't say anything as bad as what that implies, really. I may have come off as arrogant but that's plain ignorant. Y'all can be as beautiful as you're gonna be.if you're not, luck of the draw, too bad. But simply having T slapped on you doesn't mean you can't be beautiful, or exceptionally beaitiful, or surpass ciswomen, cuz that's so not true.

Yes, I'm arrogant, and no im not perfect, inside OR out. I am as source designed me no more, no less. I had a long day (stupidd birthday) and I'm in a no BS mood, so I'm mildly lucid right now, which is rare these days tbh. And honestly? Miranda Kerr is ehh. Amazing body obvs anyone would be jealous, but kinda ehh face. Opinion is a funny thing.

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Chic,

I have to say this to you too babydoll, I haven't seen many pics but you aare beautiful from what I've seen. Let that grow into something fabulous that resonates inside AND out. Don't let the naysers on here get you down and think you're less than, but careful not to turn out a vain, empty, arrogant vapid youth, beauty obsessed whiny b-ch like me. But you won't, I can tell, for sure!

In no way are you any of the things you claim yourself to be. I see a lot of similarities between us, you're just more mature. Confidence is often mistaken for arrogance, and honestly, for what many T girls must suffer through on a daily basis such as dysphoria, transphobia, financial troubles (depending on the person) and other copious and unrelenting obstacles, the right to be arrogant is well deserved and thus rewarded. T girls are very often misunderstood and therefore stereotyped as being ugly or unattractive, so to not only pass but be physically beautiful in the process is something that those who are fortunate enough to have great and feminine genetic makeup and/or the luck that HRT will work extreme wonders should proudly reap the benefits of. If Carmen Carrera or Laverne Cox didn't look as stunning as they do, would they really be on TV giving interviews and partly representing the trans* community? You don't see many people who don't pass standing up there with an Access Hollywood interviewer giving a commentary on transpeople and spilling out a condensed autobiography on the air. While a bit sad, in all honesty the media and who it covers has never been anything more than superficial and biased, and it shouldn't really be taken personally for that very reason. Point is, usually only the most gorgeous t women are the famous ones, as with cis women...so why not flaunt what you have if you're beautiful? Don't feel bad about saying it, you have the right to. You in particular are model status and very fortunate. I hope to be the same as you in that aspect someday...a model by cis standards.

Here's more pics of me, since you haven't seen many. I'd actually like to know your opinion because you're gorgeous, and based on how you looked pre-transition, you might be able to take a guess on if I'll look beautiful or not after transition. I'm pre-everything: http://instagram.com/setsukaheel

And Happy Birthday! <3

Quote from: Chic on April 12, 2014, 10:42:31 PM
In no way are you any of the things you claim yourself to be. I see a lot of similarities between us, you're just more mature. Confidence is often mistaken for arrogance, and honestly, for what many T girls must suffer through on a daily basis such as dysphoria, transphobia, financial troubles (depending on the person) and other copious and unrelenting obstacles, the right to be arrogant is well deserved and thus rewarded. T girls are very often misunderstood and therefore stereotyped as being ugly or unattractive, so to not only pass but be physically beautiful in the process is something that those who are fortunate enough to have great and feminine genetic makeup and/or the luck that HRT will work extreme wonders should proudly reap the benefits of. If Carmen Carrera or Laverne Cox didn't look as stunning as they do, would they really be on TV giving interviews and partly representing the trans* community? You don't see many people who don't pass standing up there with an Access Hollywood interviewer giving a commentary on transpeople and spilling out a condensed autobiography on the air. While a bit sad, in all honesty the media and who it covers has never been anything more than superficial and biased, and it shouldn't really be taken personally for that very reason. Point is, usually only the most gorgeous t women are the famous ones, as with cis women...so why not flaunt what you have if you're beautiful? Don't feel bad about saying it, you have the right to. You in particular are model status and very fortunate. I hope to be the same as you in that aspect someday...a model by cis standards.

Here's more pics of me, since you haven't seen many. I'd actually like to know your opinion because you're gorgeous, and based on how you looked pre-transition, you might be able to take a guess on if I'll look beautiful or not after transition. I'm pre-everything: http://instagram.com/setsukaheel

And Happy Birthday! <3

Noo, don't say that, you don't want to be like me, trust me. You're very sweet but I have a lot of problems, and the best thing I can do is tell you not to look up to me as a role model. For some reason I randomly feel big sisterly toward you and I think you should be soo so careful in transition cuz lots of things can happen. People are gonna bring you down, they're gonna make you trust them and betray you and aall of that is bad, but please don't let yourself get lost along the way or in bad stuff. There's better ways okay? I'm being vague but ima bit tipsy (but not drunk so I know what I'm saying still)..

As for your looks, soo beautiful, grrl. Hrt is gonna be amazing for you! I can't compare to me cuz we have very different looks and I haven't seen your 'boy mode' to compare to mine but I have zero doubt you're going to be just beautiful, cuz you look amazing in those pics. You remind me of this girl from my home town, she was gorgeous and you look juust like her in one of your pics.

Quote from: Abbyxo on April 12, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
I honestly think aesthetically speaking the prettiest transgirls and feminine androgynes are the most beauitiful creatures on earth. I've seen some stunning ones on this site (rarer, but they're here), real life, YouTube, fashion magazines and cisgirls just pale in comparison, they're so bland anddull compared to that kind of unique, almost futuristic, beauty. That's one area where I don't have internalized transphobia.

Very well said,    I agree with you said, I'd say transgirls and androgynes are the most beautiful, that's just how I see. There's just something about them...... I went through a phase where I had this internalized transphobia for sure, but it's gone now.

There are stunning ones on this site, wow! How can people who use this site so often say something like 'Transgirls can't compete with cisgirls', the proof is right here... I've seen it, and I'm convinced

QuoteFor everything I said I didn't say anything as bad as what that implies, really. I may have come off as arrogant but that's plain ignorant. Y'all can be as beautiful as you're gonna be.if you're not, luck of the draw, too bad. But simply having T slapped on you doesn't mean you can't be beautiful, or exceptionally beaitiful, or surpass ciswomen, cuz that's so not true.

You don't come off as arrogant to me, you just come off as a real, honest person who speaks her mind.. always..

QuoteYes, I'm arrogant, and no im not perfect, inside OR out.

Nobody is perfect.

Quote from: Abbyxo on April 13, 2014, 12:01:05 AM
Noo, don't say that, you don't want to be like me, trust me. You're very sweet but I have a lot of problems, and the best thing I can do is tell you not to look up to me as a role model. For some reason I randomly feel big sisterly toward you and I think you should be soo so careful in transition cuz lots of things can happen. People are gonna bring you down, they're gonna make you trust them and betray you and aall of that is bad, but please don't let yourself get lost along the way or in bad stuff. There's better ways okay? I'm being vague but ima bit tipsy (but not drunk so I know what I'm saying still)..

As for your looks, soo beautiful, grrl. Hrt is gonna be amazing for you! I can't compare to me cuz we have very different looks and I haven't seen your 'boy mode' to compare to mine but I have zero doubt you're going to be just beautiful, cuz you look amazing in those pics. You remind me of this girl from my home town, she was gorgeous and you look juust like her in one of your pics.

Thank you! I've been through so many horrible experiences in my life that I'm hoping I have the skills equipped to deal with whatever comes my way. I don't think there's any reason not to look up to you, because I've suffered from serious depression occasionally for years and I doubt our reasons could be much different. I've always had self-doubt and always saw myself as arrogant when in reality I can be quite insecure. I feel to you as a little sister would a big sister, haha

Boymode:




Girlmode for immediate comparison:

@chic, yeah I think being a girl suits you so much more. You are gonna be really pretty!

Off topic, but did anyone notice they were less and less able to see themselves as pretty over time on HRT? I actually realized that's why i never post pics online much anymore, at some point i stopped being able to find pics i like of me, I feel ugly almost all the time ever since hrt worked a bit. Is it cuz I find masculinity attractive and maybe I'm like an autoandrophile? Hah. Guess it's just hard to judge yourself though.

Quote from: Chic on April 13, 2014, 12:41:09 AM

Boymode:

Soft baby faces turn out the best. Wow your youth + HRT is going to do you wonders.

Are you part asian?

Quote from: Evelyn K on April 13, 2014, 01:17:10 AM
Soft baby faces turn out the best. Wow your youth + HRT is going to do you wonders.

Are you part asian?

Thank you!

I'm not Asian at all, I'm primarily Italian with a good amount of Irish and Scottish People tell me that I look like I have a bit of Asian in me all the time

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on April 12, 2014, 03:49:36 PM
I tried all of that make up rubbish and it turned out to an expensive waste of time that did nothing but eat up my money. Besides, all of that stuff is HORRIBLE for your skin, nails, etc. I've seen the effects of that stuff on the women that I know and it ages them a lot. I also get a fair amount of compliments from the women that know me on my skin and I tell them all the same thing: All I did was drink plenty of water, stayed away from make up and I never did the sun-bathing/tanning booth thing.

Makeup is not bad for you, as long as you don't sleep in it and remove it properly. It can actually do good to your skin as many foundations these days contain additional SPF or moisturisation. and makeup makes HUGE difference, it's amazing

Yep no harm in good quality makeup!

Quote from: sad panda on April 13, 2014, 12:50:12 AM
@chic, yeah I think being a girl suits you so much more. You are gonna be really pretty!

Off topic, but did anyone notice they were less and less able to see themselves as pretty over time on HRT? I actually realized that's why i never post pics online much anymore, at some point i stopped being able to find pics i like of me, I feel ugly almost all the time ever since hrt worked a bit. Is it cuz I find masculinity attractive and maybe I'm like an autoandrophile? Hah. Guess it's just hard to judge yourself though.

I don't think it's that at all. We see ourselves in the mirror every day. Because we do this and the changes hrt makes happen so slowly we don't notice them. I've just recently ran into people who know I'm trans, but haven't seen me in 2 or three months (this also happened with a person I saw just 1 month ago) and even I couldn't believe the attention and compliments I got at first. 7 of them actually didn't even recognize me at first. And now even at my Doctors offices there's no more "Mr" before my name when I'm called to be seen, only "Ms." despite what it says on a piece of paper. And the one girl that did make a mistake honestly because she'd just started her shift and hadn't seen me yet, couldn't stop apologizing. All without me saying a word.

I pass on the street and in shopping centers/stores all the time and have for the last 5 years however at my Doctors offices (excluding my Endo -there I've been gendered correctly from day one) I was always called Mr. because of what it said on a piece of paper and the fact at my PC and Pain Management Dr's offices I used to dress in very baggy clothes (I only did this because of their staff rotation). Also they rotate their office staff between offices. So they weren't sure despite my feminine looks what I was and went by what it said on paper. However, now that there's no hiding I'm female/trans mainly because of my boobs and obvious thicker fuller hair and disappearing thinning areas, combined with slight facial changes and the fact it's springtime in Florida and I'm over 3 months in on hrt which my Doctors themselves know about I dressed as I normally do every day this time around.

My point is, because we see ourselves in the mirror every day we hardly notice the changes for the better hrt is making to our face hair and bodies. However other people who don't see us every day notice these changes bigtime. This is why I believe we are our own worse critics. If you want an accurate assessment, go see a friend you trust who  hasn't seen you in 3 months or so. Oh you won't need to ask them anything. They're reaction and the look on their face when they realize it's you will be all the proof you need the "mones" are working their magic.

Oh and I agree with CrowCrow223, good quality makeup is your friend.

Ally

Allyda, very good point but I think sadpanda meant sth else.

Hormones change our perception of ourselves. Example: If You showed me a photograph of me now think April 2014, when I was preHRT, think May 2009, I'd be jumping, screaming, I'd be over the moon. Seriously. But now, I can't stand the reflection in the mirror, I hate what I see, and it consumes 98% of my thoughts, I literally count down seconds until the moment when I will have a perspective of getting plastic surgeries.

My point is: HRT makes us more mature, as well as more I'd say harsh on ourselves, which can be seen as both good and bad, and also we become perfectionists.

Quote from: crowcrow223 on April 13, 2014, 06:03:53 AM
Allyda, very good point but I think sadpanda meant sth else.

Hormones change our perception of ourselves. Example: If You showed me a photograph of me now think April 2014, when I was preHRT, think May 2009, I'd be jumping, screaming, I'd be over the moon. Seriously. But now, I can't stand the reflection in the mirror, I hate what I see, and it consumes 98% of my thoughts, I literally count down seconds until the moment when I will have a perspective of getting plastic surgeries.

My point is: HRT makes us more mature, as well as more I'd say harsh on ourselves, which can be seen as both good and bad, and also we become perfectionists.

I think I see yours and Sad Panda's point. You are focusing more around our individual perceptions of ourselves rather than what other people see. On that I agree 100%. Though I'm constantly told by my friends and others I'm being too critical of myself when I bring up these points, but I feel my eyebrows are too close to my eyes so I need a facelift, my neck is losing elasticity so a necklift is in order as well, and in addition I still have these scars on the left side of my face just before and below my left ear so these need addressed, and above all and why I now see your point, because I passed easily before starting hrt none of this bothered me nearly as much as it does now. Sorry I missed it the first time Sad Panda, CrowCrow223.

I think I pass better post-HRT, but my face particularly was prettier in pictures before. My facial structure before was more angular and striking. Now it's more oval and there's more fat on my cheeks.

I wonder how much more impact it would have to wait until a year into hormones to look at oneself in a mirror again for the first time since starting transition. Would it be a more noticeable difference, or would you still be used to the way you look from before? Is that something you can just simply forget over time?

Perhaps this could be something practiced by people who are afraid of not seeing any difference after a while on hormones.