Aesthetically, Suporn is probably the best but you have to wait at least 1 year to judge the final result, not after a couple of weeks. Hence ignore pictures of a couple of weeks post-op. Try to find pics of 1 year post-op patients.

At the other hand I gather you really have unrealistic expectations of a SRS. Suporn does not create pornstar pussies, but natural looking ones. Rimmed vaginas are unnatural and fake. They belong to the pornographic world and Suporn won't give you that.

LauraGirl : Considering I said I more or less look like that, that's kinda rude. I think there's a huge variation in cis vulvas; I've had girlfriends who looked like me, and I know *they* weren't surgically altered.  Granted, the pictures on that plastic surgery web site are arranged to look as post-surgical/"fake" as possible to highlight the results, but there ARE cis women who have small or even absent inner labia naturally.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on April 14, 2014, 05:41:28 AM
LauraGirl : Considering I said I more or less look like that, that's kinda rude. I think there's a huge variation in cis vulvas; I've had girlfriends who looked like me, and I know *they* weren't surgically altered.  Granted, the pictures on that plastic surgery web site are arranged to look as post-surgical/"fake" as possible to highlight the results, but there ARE cis women who have small or even absent inner labia naturally.

I have seen thousands of vaginas in real life during my gyne training. None are the same but as a transsexual, wishing a porn star vagina, is quite dangerous and might end in a huge disappointment. The problem is that many of us simply don't know how a natural vagina looks like. Hence they seek on the internet for 'examples' and they will find porno star vagina's. Subsequently dreaming of it whilst booking an SRS.

Be realistic! It is the only recommendation I would like to give. Save yourself a huge disappointment.

Quote from: daahrling on April 13, 2014, 11:14:35 PM
Ah, I see. The only results from him I can find are on Anne's website and one result on Susan's. Do you know any where else I can find them?

there's this very detailed thread in which a couple of suporn patients have recently shared their experiences, they seem to be very satisfied. i don't know if they'd be willing to show their results.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,162607.0.html

if you are from Brazil I guess that you are well endowed and that can be a problem with Suporn technique. Many patients complain about having buried penises, which can cause great pain with well endowed patients.

I cannot find any post-op pictures of Suporn after 1 year. The only website I found was his own,  and of that blogger I pointed out. If anyone knows where else I might find any, I truly would be grateful.

Also, yes, I've heard of many people who were disappointed with him because of having "buried penises" (which was what I said would be unacceptable for me)

I think that Brassard might be able to give me a more "Rim" (or porn-star) look, as you call it, Laura. I think each person should want the best for themselves. "Realistic" = a very abstract concept. I recommend the movie Inception to understand what I mean 

What I want is a very "clean" vagina.

Also, Jenna and Isabell (and any other girls who went to Brassard), someone said to me two things I'd like to ask you about regarding Brassard. They had two friends who had surgery with him, and they said both had a very firm and large outer labia, and a clitoris that was too large. They also said that inside it didn't feel very natural either. Do you think you also had this problem (even if temporarily?), or any of the girls you may know that went to him?

Thank you for any help. This is a really big decision and I want to know as much as I can 

LauraGirl : Honestly, this is why I don't want to post pics of myself; after two years, this is my *genitals,* and I don't want to see them criticized and picked apart for flaws. I agree with you that going into it with unrealistic expectations is likely to lead to disappointment, actually. But I've also visited sites with hundreds of pictures of cis vulvas (from women who are not porn stars, but moderators have previously requested that I not post links like that), and found quite a few that look like mine. My vulva is unique and does not look like an airbrushed porn pussy, and I do indeed have inner labia that tuck neatly inside the outer.

That's like claiming that because some women get breast implants that look "fake," all large-breasted cis women will look like that. Sometimes natural human variation covers the same ground other women have to pay for, in other words.  


Daahrling : I did not have results like that, no. My outer labia are still a bit puffy but not firm at all, and as I said earlier, my clit is tiny. Inside feels natural NOW, after two years, but yes, it was tight and dry and rough/scarred at first. (That's unavoidable when it's still healing up from surgery.) At this point, at the risk of being indelicate, the vaginal texture, moistness, and even scent are within the range of what I've encountered on cis girlfriends. Other than that, I don't have details that specific from other friends who've used him.

Amusingly enough, there's another thread going on right now from a woman who wants large/long inner labia. I'd absolutely tell her to avoid Brassard! As you say, it's a matter of personal taste, and I don't think any surgeon is "wrong" simply for producing (in general) a look that isn't to someone's individual preference.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on April 14, 2014, 04:53:13 PM
LauraGirl : Honestly, this is why I don't want to post pics of myself; after two years, this is my *genitals,* and I don't want to see them criticized and picked apart for flaws. I agree with you that going into it with unrealistic expectations is likely to lead to disappointment, actually. But I've also visited sites with hundreds of pictures of cis vulvas (from women who are not porn stars, but moderators have previously requested that I not post links like that), and found quite a few that look like mine. My vulva is unique and does not look like an airbrushed porn pussy, and I do indeed have inner labia that tuck neatly inside the outer.

That's like claiming that because some women get breast implants that look "fake," all large-breasted cis women will look like that. Sometimes natural human variation covers the same ground other women have to pay for, in other words.  


Daahrling : I did not have results like that, no. My outer labia are still a bit puffy but not firm at all, and as I said earlier, my clit is tiny. Inside feels natural NOW, after two years, but yes, it was tight and dry and rough/scarred at first. (That's unavoidable when it's still healing up from surgery.) At this point, at the risk of being indelicate, the vaginal texture, moistness, and even scent are within the range of what I've encountered on cis girlfriends. Other than that, I don't have details that specific from other friends who've used him.

Amusingly enough, there's another thread going on right now from a woman who wants large/long inner labia. I'd absolutely tell her to avoid Brassard! As you say, it's a matter of personal taste, and I don't think any surgeon is "wrong" simply for producing (in general) a look that isn't to someone's individual preference.

*hugs* Don't be mad, sometimes people can be offensive without knowing they are. Of course, there are those that seem to take pleasure in doing so, but I don't think that is the case of anyone here on this forum 

Thank you for all your help. I know it must be really difficult to talk about something so private.

Truly, the closest SRS result I've seen was done by Yvon Menard: http://www.annelawrence.com/menard0206.html

I think it is pretty close to what I want, except that I'd like the entrance to the vagina to be pink as well. If I may ask, Jenna, do you know if this is possible?

Oh, no worries, I'm not mad. I know I WOULD be if I actually posted pics and people criticized them, though.

Actually, the outer labia on that result from Menard do in fact look very large and stiff. Mine are much more soft and "closed." But yes, I thought having the vaginal opening be pink was kind of a normal result in GRS, in fact? I dunno, but mine is definitely bright pink.reddish and moist looking.  I also have the pink around the inside of the  inner labia and clitoral hood, which I agree is a fantastic result in that photo - it all looks very natural. Oh, and you can sort of see the fourchette in that photo as well (the way the outer labia extend past the vaginal opening and then connect beneath it), so I guess Menard and therefore Brassard have been doing it for a while and I didn't realize. My scars look like that, too, although I let the hair grow so they're almost entirely hidden as well as largely faded.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on April 14, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
Oh, no worries, I'm not mad. I know I WOULD be if I actually posted pics and people criticized them, though.

Actually, the outer labia on that result from Menard do in fact look very large and stiff. Mine are much more soft and "closed." But yes, I thought having the vaginal opening be pink was kind of a normal result in GRS, in fact? I dunno, but mine is definitely bright pink.reddish and moist looking.  I also have the pink around the inside of the  inner labia and clitoral hood, which I agree is a fantastic result in that photo - it all looks very natural. Oh, and you can sort of see the fourchette in that photo as well (the way the outer labia extend past the vaginal opening and then connect beneath it), so I guess Menard and therefore Brassard have been doing it for a while and I didn't realize. My scars look like that, too, although I let the hair grow so they're almost entirely hidden as well as largely faded.

These were taken after 6 months. I think that the labia majora eventually gets softer, right? Is that pink similar to yours, or is yours more reddish? Excuse me for asking, but I've seen another one of his results and they looked rather red, and not so pink.

I've been looking at some results in Suporn's support group, and now I am definitely not sure if he is the one I want to do my surgery. I mean, he keeps the penis glans and you can clearly see it.

Does Brassard dissect the glans and only take part of it for the clitoris?
Also, Suporn seems to keep a lot of the erectile tissue sometimes, and it doesn't always look very good. I mean, it definitely makes the labia majora open by itself... but sometimes it is too much. As far as I know, Brassard takes out that tissue, correct?

*sigh* I wish there was technology to use stem cells for this surgery. Some results I've seen really scare me, while others give me some hope. But it's a lottery.

Sad part it comes down to your material that can be used.

Each of us has our own bodies and the way they heal, what is dark on me might be darker on you or lighter.

As said here and other posts I think no matter who you use you are going to be disappointed.

You seem to be hung up on a designer vagina but do you have what is needed ?

Calm down. It is a surgery of art and no two brush strokes are the same.

Isabell

Quote from: mind is quiet now on April 14, 2014, 06:37:11 PM
Sad part it comes down to you material that can be used.

Each of us has our own bodies and the way they heal, what is dark on me might be darker on you or lighter.

As said here and other posts I think no matter who you use you are going to be disappointed.

You seem to be hung up on a designer vagina but do you have what is needed ?

Calm down. It is a surgery of art.

Isabell

Maybe, but I have seen a couple of results I think I could be fairly happy with 

LOL I don't really know what is needed for a designer vagina

I'm pretty young and uncircumcised, I think maybe that helps? I hope so

I don't know how it works for other people - those 2 girls you said still had the labia very firm? - but mine were pretty soft from the beginning. (I also had a lot of swelling, so I might not be typical. I have no idea.)

Mine is mostly pink at the exterior of the vaginal opening, and reddish as it shades into the vaginal canal itself. Again, that's normal, or at least common with cis women. I haven't actually seen a cis vagina up close that was more pink than red, though maybe that's a feature of a woman's coloring or the difficulty lighting in there or something. A gynecologist and their lights they can shine up in there would have a better idea.   The inner labia and clitoral hood are definitely very similar to that soft pink in the photo, though.

I'm sorry, but I don't know how else to tell you that my clitoris is *tiny.* Like 1/20th the size my penis glans was. I have to assume Brassard preserved only a small portion of the glans, but I honestly have no way of telling precisely how he did it; I do know that his operation instructions say he retains ALL of the nerves of the glans, though, concentrated into that small area. I have no erectile tissue that I can find except around the clitoris, which is fine by me, and matches a cis woman. (There might be a slight bit in the labia, I suppose. If so, I can't find or notice it.)

I actually agree with Isabell... it's possible to get too hung up on this stuff. I can pretty much promise you that once you're done, what you have is YOURS; after a few months, I started regarding my vulva as something that's unique and which I didn't have much control over, but have come to love. Cis women don't get a choice in what they get, after all. Some do go in for surgery to fix it, yeah, but a lot don't.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on April 14, 2014, 06:42:34 PM
I don't know how it works for other people - those 2 girls you said still had the labia very firm? - but mine were pretty soft from the beginning. (I also had a lot of swelling, so I might not be typical. I have no idea.)

Mine is mostly pink at the exterior of the vaginal opening, and reddish as it shades into the vaginal canal itself. Again, that's normal, or at least common with cis women. I haven't actually seen a cis vagina up close that was more pink than red, though maybe that's a feature of a woman's coloring or the difficulty lighting in there or something. A gynecologist and their lights they can shine up in there would have a better idea.   The inner labia and clitoral hood are definitely very similar to that soft pink in the photo, though.

I'm sorry, but I don't know how else to tell you that my clitoris is *tiny.* Like 1/20th the size my penis glans was. I have to assume Brassard preserved only a small portion of the glans, but I honestly have no way of telling precisely how he did it; I do know that his operation instructions say he retains ALL of the nerves of the glans, though, concentrated into that small area. I have no erectile tissue that I can find except around the clitoris, which is fine by me, and matches a cis woman. (There might be a slight bit in the labia, I suppose. If so, I can't find or notice it.)

I actually agree with Isabell... it's possible to get too hung up on this stuff. I can pretty much promise you that once you're done, what you have is YOURS; after a few months, I started regarding my vulva as something that's unique and which I didn't have much control over, but have come to love. Cis women don't get a choice in what they get, after all. Some do go in for surgery to fix it, yeah, but a lot don't.

Did Brassard ask you at all what you wanted your vulva to look like? Small or big clitoris, small or big lips...?

True, it just seems like this is a lottery. It is very unfair  Some girls have such great and natural results, while others... well, not so much 

He did ask. I told him I wanted a normal-sized clitoris and was happy to leave the rest up to him. He said I had sufficient material for pretty much anything within reason, but honestly, I didn't have strong opinions beyond "want it to be as sensate and cis-looking as possible."

Quote from: daahrling on April 14, 2014, 06:46:19 PM
Did Brassard ask you at all what you wanted your vulva to look like? Small or big clitoris, small or big lips...?

True, it just seems like this is a lottery. It is very unfair  Some girls have such great and natural results, while others... well, not so much 

Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.

If you want a larger labia minora he does have a second surgery for extra charge.

Izzy

Quote from: Jenna Marie on April 14, 2014, 06:51:48 PM
He did ask. I told him I wanted a normal-sized clitoris and was happy to leave the rest up to him. He said I had sufficient material for pretty much anything within reason, but honestly, I didn't have strong opinions beyond "want it to be as sensate and cis-looking as possible."

Ah, yes, I see. I guess I will just have to go to Montreal and have an appointment with him *sigh* It is so difficult when something so essential to us is left uncertain 

Quote from: mind is quiet now on April 14, 2014, 06:54:45 PM
Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder.

If you want a larger labia minora he does have a second surgery for extra charge.

Izzy

I want a labia minora that is very pink and slender, with the vagina surrounded by it.

I thought Brassard did revisions for free (as long as the patient was his in the first place, of course)?

Quote from: daahrling on April 14, 2014, 07:07:02 PM
Ah, yes, I see. I guess I will just have to go to Montreal and have an appointment with him *sigh* It is so difficult when something so essential to us is left uncertain 

I want a labia minora that is very pink and slender, with the vagina surrounded by it.

I thought Brassard did revisions for free (as long as the patient was his in the first place, of course)?

Larger labia other then what he does in the single step is extra. All the doctors charge now if you want larger inner labias.

Izzy

Quote from: mind is quiet now on April 14, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
Larger labia other then what he does in the single step is extra. All the doctors charge now if you want large inner labias.

Izzy

I think what I want is considered small. By the way how does he make the inner labia bigger? Doesn't he use the urethra for that in SRS? I'm very confused now. What about foreskin? Do you know what he uses it for?

Okay, so I contacted the clinic (Brassard's) and they sent me some pictures of his results. Some of them seem really nice. Probably much more than Suporn's (his secondary sensate organ [penis glans] always gives the surgery away I think)

But then there is the issue of depth and sensation. Not my sensation, but my partner's. I wonder if inside the vagina also feels natural?