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What's the point in transitioning if you can't transition really young? rant. tw

Started by sad panda, April 19, 2014, 08:43:30 PM

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Ltl89

But seriously, how many of us want to continue aging?  Yes it's inevitable and part of life, but it's not like most of us are thinking "can't wait for my birthday in 5 years".  Regardless of your age, it feels scary to keep getting older.  I know for me, my 30th birthday is going to be horrible for me.  I guess I accept that will happen if I remain alive, but it's not something I'm looking forward too.  And this is something most of us feel.  Even if you're 50, you proably aren't looking forward to being 55.  It's just part of being human. 
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: learningtolive on April 19, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
Regardless of your age, it feels scary to keep getting older. 

Nah.

Not after you go through a year or two of being convinced that you are going to die.

Been there, done that.

It made me appreciate each passing year, rather than mourn it.

If you spend your life dreading the inevitable end, life isn't going to be much fun.
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Colleen♡Callie

My issue is a bit different but along the same line.

I'm not too worried about being old and transitioning, but the 30 years I've lost of the life I should have had since the start has been a sore spot that I've been struggling with lately.
"Tell my tale to those who ask.  Tell it truly; the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly.  The rest is silence." - Dinobot



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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Colleen♡Callie on April 19, 2014, 09:59:58 PM
My issue is a bit different but along the same line.

I'm not too worried about being old and transitioning, but the 30 years I've lost of the life I should have had since the start has been a sore spot that I've been struggling with lately.

I went through that for a couple of years. Then I realized it was a waste of energy and time.
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Carrie Liz

Sigh... why do the young pretty ones always have to have the most mental problems with not being young and pretty?
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sad panda

Quote from: learningtolive on April 19, 2014, 09:31:16 PM
Honestly, I struggle big time with my age.  I'm 25.  It sucks that my life will be starting so late in many ways, all when whatever potential I had to be pretty is already fading.  Sucks.  However, it's nothing I can change.  I guess living is better for me than not.  And living free without anxiety is something I never got to do.  Besides, I actually do look forward to one day being a mom (if I can ever adopt) and a wife (if I can ever trick some guy into marrying me) and all that.  I just would like to be forever young if you will. Sadly, that's not possible.  Overall, I do wish I could start over and be young again, but it's not going to happen and focusing on it will only make me cry more than I already do.  No point in that.

I know, it does just make me feel worse. But I feel like the best I can do other than feeling worse is to feel nothing. So it's feel nothing or feel bad... at least if I feel bad I don't feel like I'm running away from life. :( it makes me so sad. My therapist said my body is still stuck in the past. But even if it weren't, I don't know if I'd ever like being an adult.

Quote from: Aisla on April 19, 2014, 09:33:12 PM
Sad Panda

Why so down?   Life is great and it is always better than the alternative.  You are lucky to have the awareness of your dysphoria and treatment options available to you.   Must of us thought we were broken and defective and kept trying to live as expected.  Perhaps having dealt with dysphoria for so long just makes us more appreciative of the relief that has allowed us to live as we were supposed to.

One benefit of having a few years on the clock is to live in the moment, you waste too much time if you are always planning and if you keep revisiting the past you end up looking behind you,  which immediately leads you into a collision and pain because you lack awareness.

Think of the life you have ahead of you and rejoice.

Safe travels

Aisla

I guess I don't have the same view of transition as older transitioners, I don't feel good about being a woman or something, it's just how I have to present mostly for who I am. Anyway, what is fun about being old? And what do you do if the moment you're living in is not the one you want? :c

Quote from: Chic on April 19, 2014, 09:53:27 PM
I'm transitioning at 18, I don't see what the problem is. Perhaps it's because I'm going to college and that's like an even more fun version of high school, except people are more mature and you have more freedom. Personally, high school's nice and all, but transitioning now wouldn't be very fun...I'd probably get bullied quite a lot and I'd like to start a new life when I start HRT, meaning I don't want to live where I live.

I'm not sure, I didn't get to go to high school... :( I was pretty well liked in college as a femme boy though.

QuoteAlso, on hormones, many people have a more youthful look, so I suppose you could pass as a younger female, if that's a worry.

Hmm... I have to disagree with that. I looked way younger as a boy, because I looked like I had just started puberty. I basically got to be a young teen indefinitely. But as a girl, that's normal, so my skin texture makes me look my ageish. So sadly it makes my age dysphoria worse. The only positive part is that you can behave like a child as a woman cuz people don't respect you anyway.

QuoteWhen I transition at 18, it's likely I'll go full time somewhere around when I turn 19, before or after starting my sophomore year of college. That will give me my full sophomore, junior and senior year of college to live life young, and then I'll be 21. That's still 9 more golden years left of youth left.

When I get to 30? I don't know...maybe I'll have a husband by then, hopefully even married. I'd hope I'm still youthful into my 30's. Maybe I'd even be famous if I'm super lucky. I don't know.

I just think that focusing on being too old at 30 is ridiculous when most people are transitioning at 60. I know a 30 year old transwoman who's happy as can be, still looks youthful and has a lot of fun going out with friends and exercising and all that. She even has a daughter.

Life isn't over when you're 30. I think there's still a lot of fun to have in your 20's. Most people wish they were in their 20's too.

Maybe it's not your age that's keeping you from being happy. Maybe it's the fact you think that your age is restricting you from it that's really keeping you from happiness.

Yeah I know it's complicated and other people can be happy, but for me my age is really triggering. I guess because I didn't have the closure of being young in the first place. And no matter what I do, being old and frumpy just horrifies me, I can't even entertain the possibility. And I don't really understand adults. Or, I can't be like that I guess. Or not consistently.
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naomi599

There are many people that wait for transition for whatever reason. Many of us regret it but in the end the pain of staying in a male body will never go away not even with age. So transition at an older age is probably at the least a liberating experience for many. I wish I could have transitioned young like around 16. But life sucks and is not as fair as we imagine it to be.
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Colleen♡Callie

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on April 19, 2014, 10:01:21 PM
I went through that for a couple of years. Then I realized it was a waste of energy and time.

I know fully it's a waste of time and energy and will just make me bitter in the end.  Nothing seems to help me get over it thus far though.
"Tell my tale to those who ask.  Tell it truly; the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly.  The rest is silence." - Dinobot



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sad panda

Quote from: learningtolive on April 19, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
But seriously, how many of us want to continue aging?  Yes it's inevitable and part of life, but it's not like most of us are thinking "can't wait for my birthday in 5 years".  Regardless of your age, it feels scary to keep getting older.  I know for me, my 30th birthday is going to be horrible for me.  I guess I accept that will happen if I remain alive, but it's not something I'm looking forward too.  And this is something most of us feel.  Even if you're 50, you proably aren't looking forward to being 55.  It's just part of being human.

But part of getting old is becoming not special. You see it in everything. Women are not special when they're old. People with talents and stuff like that are not special anymore. Singers are not special. Sports players are not special. There's no real potential. You just become old and boring and take care of the next generation and try to be comfortable. So, it's like, why not just be cis then anyway if you're going to be frumpy and unspecial either way. Maybe that sounds weird.... but being trans is pretty hard even if you're super natural...

Quote from: Carrie Liz on April 19, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
Sigh... why do the young pretty ones always have to have the most mental problems with not being young and pretty?

Good question, maybe it's because we are trying so hard to be pretty from such a young age. It's what we always placed value in so not having it hurts more than anything else. I guess. I don't really feel pretty though. MAYBE for a trans girl, but not for a cis girl... at all.
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Colleen♡Callie on April 19, 2014, 10:08:01 PM
I know fully it's a waste of time and energy and will just make me bitter in the end.  Nothing seems to help me get over it thus far though.

Well, just give it some more time.
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sad panda

Quote from: naomi599 on April 19, 2014, 10:03:05 PM
There are many people that wait for transition for whatever reason. Many of us regret it but in the end the pain of staying in a male body will never go away not even with age. So transition at an older age is probably at the least a liberating experience for many. I wish I could have transitioned young like around 16. But life sucks and is not as fair as we imagine it to be.

Can you explain the pain of staying in a male body? I never totally understood. I guess I have the pain of staying in an old body. My question about if FFS can be used to make you look young still goes (:
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Ltl89

Quote from: sad panda on April 19, 2014, 10:08:54 PM
But part of getting old is becoming not special. You see it in everything. Women are not special when they're old. People with talents and stuff like that are not special anymore. Singers are not special. Sports players are not special. There's no real potential. You just become old and boring and take care of the next generation and try to be comfortable. So, it's like, why not just be cis then anyway if you're going to be frumpy and unspecial either way. Maybe that sounds weird.... but being trans is pretty hard even if you're super natural...

Good question, maybe it's because we are trying so hard to be pretty from such a young age. It's what we always placed value in so not having it hurts more than anything else. I guess. I don't really feel pretty though. MAYBE for a trans girl, but not for a cis girl... at all.

Well, that would be why I'm not excited about aging any further.  But overall, I'm miserable with my life.  I have a lot of dysphoria over my gender and I feel trapped being a guy.  I'm a joke of a guy anyway, so I never lived your typical or normal male life.  There really is nothing for me to fall back on other than misery, emptiness and a phony life that I hate.  And I never really formed much of a life anyway, I'm still very much a young adult that is finding their place in the world rather than having already found it.  In any case, I'd rather try to erase my anxiety at some point and give happiness a chance and actually form a life that I would like. And for me, I don't get to uspet about being a mother or getting married.  I just don't want to age nor do I really want that responsibility at all anytime soon. 

Then again, much of this is in my future and it's idealized.   What will be is a whole other thing.  Who knows if I'll ever escape my depression, anxiety and self hate.   
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Nero

Quote from: Carrie Liz on April 19, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
Sigh... why do the young pretty ones always have to have the most mental problems with not being young and pretty?

I'll try to answer that. I felt old before I was 20. Ancient at 23. 30? I honestly hoped I'd be dead by that time. I think pretty girls get obsessed with this stuff cause it's the main thing people say to us. Nobody ever shuts up about it, so we know it's all anyone cares about. We also know it won't last forever. I hate to to say this - but if I had been a ugly, flat chested girl? Maybe I would have actually developed some self-worth.  :(
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Veronica M

Sad Panda... If that is you in your avatar, in my opinion you don't need FFS... Your absolutely gorgeous.. And like a fine bottle of wine, you only get better with age. Relax and let life take you where it may.
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Carrie Liz

Quote from: FA on April 19, 2014, 10:24:25 PM
I'll try to answer that. I felt old before I was 20. Ancient at 23. 30? I honestly hoped I'd be dead by that time. I think pretty girls get obsessed with this stuff cause it's the main thing people say to us. Nobody ever shuts up about it, so we know it's all anyone cares about. We also know it won't last forever. I hate to to say this - but if I had been a ugly, flat chested girl? Maybe I would have actually developed some self-worth.  :(

Hmm... hadn't considered that. Maybe that's why I didn't see this as much... all of my female friends during those years were math nerds, science nerds, and theater geeks. So I guess maybe that's why my experience is a bit tainted... I was mostly around girls who'd long since given up on being pretty and popular, and were perfectly content with their small geeky social circles.
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Nero

Quote from: Carrie Liz on April 19, 2014, 10:47:52 PM
Quote from: FA on April 19, 2014, 10:24:25 PM
I'll try to answer that. I felt old before I was 20. Ancient at 23. 30? I honestly hoped I'd be dead by that time. I think pretty girls get obsessed with this stuff cause it's the main thing people say to us. Nobody ever shuts up about it, so we know it's all anyone cares about. We also know it won't last forever. I hate to to say this - but if I had been a ugly, flat chested girl? Maybe I would have actually developed some self-worth.  :(

Hmm... hadn't considered that. Maybe that's why I didn't see this as much... all of my female friends during those years were tomboys, math nerds, and theater geeks. So I guess maybe that's why my experience is a bit tainted...

maybe. definitely a different world when everyone's obsessed with your face and tits.

Anyway, I love this song and the video kind of illustrates my point. Look at Alicia and Liv Tyler. Now try to imagine they're 40. Or even 30. Nobody cares. The video would never have been made. But it's not just the video. That's the difference between being a pretty girl at 16, 20. Or maybe even 27. And after. It's a whole different world. Everybody loves you as a young, pretty thing. Everybody - men, women, everybody.



I mean, would he still be saying 'I need your loooove' if they were 30? Doubtful. Well, maybe not, because one of them's his daughter, but you get my drift.  :P
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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sad panda

Quote from: Veronica M on April 19, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
Sad Panda... If that is you in your avatar, in my opinion you don't need FFS... Your absolutely gorgeous.. And like a fine bottle of wine, you only get better with age. Relax and let life take you where it may.

If women age like a fine bottle of wine then why do they all want to be young again?

I don't know...

But the FFS thing was about looking younger, not even really about looking prettier, though I want to look prettier too.... I mean they are both things that I want. Anyway lol, I wanna age like Benjamin Button.
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Veronica M

Quote from: sad panda on April 19, 2014, 10:56:13 PM
If women age like a fine bottle of wine then why do they all want to be young again?

I don't know...

But the FFS thing was about looking younger, not even really about looking prettier, though I want to look prettier too.... I mean they are both things that I want. Anyway lol, I wanna age like Benjamin Button.

I really don't think all women want to be younger. I know I don't. While perhaps I should have transitioned sooner in life I think I just wasn't ready. But I really don't regret a single day with the exception of a few "That was really stupid" moments... I really like who I am, and even better since I started down the path of transition. I no longer have to be something I am not, and that is exciting for me to say the least. With age comes wisdom and confidence so would I want to be younger??? Not a chance. But you can bet once I am completely out I am going to give you younger girls a run for their money... (Smile)
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Joanna Dark

The Half life of Uranium 238 is 736 million years. The half life of my self is 29 -- Shelley Jackson, Half Life: A Novel.

You should read it. it's about gender, aging , bitterness, bitterness about gender, bitterness about aging, all kind of fun genderey stuff. I started trainstioning at 29, stopped for reasons I care not to explain, restarted when i could at 30, and I think of my life this way: A half life. At least I'll have something, anything--I hope. I had a job once, it was a great job, a job that only women do (since I had to go to conferences and i was the only man there) but they prolly thought I was a lesbian since I looked like a lesbian pre-transtion. Well, I still kinda do, but not so much lately. I mean I really can't detranstion--to what? A half jill, half jack freak who constantly gets asked if they're a hermaphrodite? No thanks. My point is is that hopefully as you get older it will get better. I actually have no point other than to say read that book. It may help you.

I don't know though. Life could get worse. it really can. I know if I talked about detransitioning as much as you do my BF would be gone in a heart beat. If he could he'd chop my junk of himself. Though he really enjoyed it the other night and had to cover my mouth but now I'm just being disgusting and tmi. He even tested me just today and said how would you feel about ya know stop wearing all the women's clothes and makeup and trying to hide your breasts? And I said NO. NO. NO. And he said. Good answer. I worry sometimes bacuse you once metioned detransitioning. I'm really glad you feel that way and are certain of everything now. So I think he sometimes worries he is going too far with me, or went, and then I'm going to up and back out and rip his hear out or something. He nver says he loves me but you don't spend every secongd of half a week with someone and talk and text them constantly and <not allowed> them without a condom (or rawdrog it as he says) if ur not i love.

Really I felt this way when I was your age 9 years ago. Its still there but maybe I'm just numb. But yeah when I see commericals or new clips about wedding, and showers, and women having babaies, I cry...like pretty much eyes my turn into a facet. I can only read fashion mags now cause they just talk about fashion. I read about other stuff, like having babies, and I wanna die.

But I mean other than this and the suckiness of getting an older and being a woman, I mean there's really not much ya can do but deal. And take xanax. Momma's little helper. Seriously, have you consdiered yoga, i know it sounds corny, but it really helps me relax and calm down and i can be an emotional basket case. I'm sure it's been noted.

Hugs xoxoxoxo
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