I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Wouldn't this be the perfect way to mindF with people and totally fly over all that femininity "do I pass" bullcrap?

I can imagine life would be intriguing if you did this.

Well I don't look at my femininity as bullcrap and I don't act feminine to pass I just do what I feel comfortable with and that's being feminine. And I really was never comfortable with masculine mannerisms.

I already moved feminine prior to transitioning, many people just assumed I was closeted gay. (We'll technically they were correct in that I'm a lesbian.) Feminine mannerisms just came natural to me. It so nice to be myself and not have to try and fake male mannerisms.

The other day I was having lunch at Panera Bread and I noticed a woman in her late 20's who at first I thought was cis. She kept looking at me and then I noticed how she walked and her mannerisms were. (Seems like transgender people can spot each other no matter how well we pass.) I was wearing a feminine top, women's jeans and open toe sandals showing off my painted toenails. She was in a much more feminine skirt, heals and and her hair was really nice. Her mannerisms gave it away from how she walked to how she picked up things.

My mannerisms kinda switch I dont know why...
but sometimes I act really feminine and sometimes really masculine,,,

I guess its more fun like this?
I dunno...

Yeah... I can't go down to doing that. It brings up too much emotional baggage.

I think if you're attractive you can get away with so much more. It's like an earned right to flaunt any which way you want.

But if you are not attractive or passing as such then you have to stay within boundaries or draw the ire of the stink eye.

Quote from: Evelyn K on May 05, 2014, 12:19:55 AM
I think if you're attractive you can get away with so much more. It's like an earned right to flaunt any which way you want.

But if you are not attractive or passing as such then you have to stay within boundaries or draw the ire of the stink eye.

Sadly this is how it works

I ve said it before,
If you are a cis girl with a cis female voice
no matter how you act /speak/walk etc
you would still be percieved as a 100% cis female...

its the freedom of expression that most of us cant have for obvious reasons...
trust me when I say that I know girls who act extremely masculine, that doesnt lessen their femininity,not even by a little...

thats why I call bull->-bleeped-<- when I hear people talking about how important mannerisms are...
really, they are not ,,,whats important is the female appearance and of course the voice ...
thats what im trying to achieve...


my opinion...

^^ Exactly. Bold truthful assessment - no skirting the issue or need to psychologize it into oblivion.

It is what it is.

When I'm out I don't fuss about manerisme or anything, but I naturally have a lot of mannerisms anyway. First time I went out pressenting as femail I was wearing an almost to short skirt tights two inch heel ankle boots and a Tshirt. Ot was when I first when to inform my doctor about my situation, and no body seemed to notice, well I got noticed as legs :p car honks and grinning builders on oposite side of the road thogh. And oh yeah being called out as his name and having to respond to it kind of threw a spanner in to works, don't think anyone noticed up to that point. But I think if my legs had of been covered then eyes might of been elswear. So somtimes bold presentation can help, but then again that only works at not so claose ranges.

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on May 05, 2014, 03:36:43 AM
having a jacket on somehow stiffens me up instantly... Old habits die hard.

My cis female roommate said something interesting to me the other day. She mentioned how she thinks that her outfit kind of defines her mood that day. So, she tailors her outfit to take on whatever persona she wants.

I tried it today, and I found that it works like crazy. Funny how just some fabric hanging over your body can change the way the mind operates.

I'm polygender so not binary identified and even if I'm pretty hot I do vacillate between definite female and definite male mannerism/body language. When I assume a more dykeish gender presentation I basically do everything 100% like a guy except I keep my female voice. But not it's not mind->-bleeped-<-ing much because people just assume I'm pretty much what I am most of the time which is a masculine lesbian. Using my male voice on the other hand is serious mind->-bleeped-<- because I look like your average girl next door but I can sing like Frank Sinatra.

Interesting thread.

My mannerisms were pretty girly when I was a kid until they were routinely beaten out of me.  Everyone thought I was a little gay boy.  I wasn't even too sure about that.  Faking masculinity wore so thin by age 43 that it became soul-crushing.  When I finally began to shed the mask, my femininity was very easy to recover.  I just did what came naturally and unfiltered.   It turns out that my wife has far more masculine mannerisms than I do.  She sits with her legs open, sprawls out, belches when she drinks beer and walks like a soldier when she wears sneakers.  I had to force myself to do these things.  Anyway, we're quite an interesting pair now.

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on May 05, 2014, 03:36:43 AM
Means like farting, burping and doing other nasty things? Wait till You start HRT, get a couple of months of E running through Your veins and then we will get back to this topic, mkey?

The only time when I switch on my "predator" mode is when I need to go to male WC (cause neutral/handicapped rooms are not available) and even then I feel inside like I am infiltrating enemy camp and drawing stares. Oh, and when I am forced into semi official dress - having a jacket on somehow stiffens me up instantly... Old habits die hard.

Well not that extreme lol! I mean being like a hotty urban cowboy (or cowgirl) not concerned whatsoever with exasperating girlishness that might get her clocked.

Letting it all relax and hang out.

She's hot in her tomboyish way, she can sit with her legs open or slightly crossed with her ankle on her top knee and void sitting 'proper' with her hands together, fluttering eyes and that forced puckered face expression that so many trans women do. Ughh.

Say looking sexy and relaxed like her (you still have to accent things in female ways like the heels) but have a guy attitude and presentation. Along the lines of what Seyranna was saying. Maybe something like being a lipstick lesbian with a David Beckham or Hugh Jackman attitude and demeanor.

While I am certainly not among the hot, I'm sure I do have some masculine mannerisms about me, but I don't worry about it. Guys do kind of get thrown off if I open the door for them though, lol. I also move fairly fast, but its generally smooth, so no one notices anything out of kilter. I really don't think about how I move or what I do most times, just keep moving and doing. 

Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on May 05, 2014, 03:32:24 PM
Or rather someone like Cynthia Rothrock?
Gosh, I must be really old to remember her...

How about Sarah Conner in Terminator 2...

Here's an example of a complete MindF of a woman.

Angelina Jolie in any of her actiony adventury movies?

I think Angela is more of an over-the-top expression of hotness not realistically achievable.

But Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton in pissed off mode), plausibly.

Welp, I'm going to have to add that to my movie queue. I'm a sucker for alpha females

Quote from: Seyranna on May 05, 2014, 09:37:33 AM
Using my male voice on the other hand is serious mind->-bleeped-<- because I look like your average girl next door

Heh.... Speaking of that - I mind->-bleeped-<-ed my therapist recently. I naturally have a soft voice that's in the female range, and with voice training it's gotten even better. My therapist seems to have forgotten about my boy mode since she's seen me in female mode for so long. In a recent therapy session I was making some random point and I on purpose dropped into my lowest boy voice and a look of absolute shock/horror came across her face lol...... She told me not to do that anymore because "that voice shouldn't be coming out of you"