Quote from: Abbyxo on May 22, 2014, 05:02:17 AM
But heey, what's with all the manhate haha? I have to say, if that's your view of guys you've met up with some real duds. I've met as many gross girls as guys, anybody can be poorly groomed.

The right kinda guy can just...drive you crazy if that's what you go for. The way his skin looks or feel...not in a creepy way lmao. And I love men's fragrances and deoderant.

I hate most things related to testosterone, its consequence to beauty and aging (mine), and testosterones violence effect in society. Masculinity in general. Heck, so much so it's actually a problem for me. 

The way his skin feels? Greasy sebum, huge pores, and scuzzy facial hair? And these things get more pronounced with older men.... Just saying since you have youth on your side.

Nasty. No thanks!

Before self acceptance- identified as straight, with guilty attraction towards males that I never admitted to

After self acceptance- bisexual, but could only find attraction to very feminine males

after 3 months HRT- attracted to masculine men as well, and still remain my attraction to women. So I guess just bi/pansexual. Although I've caught myself checking out males more probably because its so new! Normally when I look at girls now I'm looking at what they're wearing or getting jealous of their boobies 

HRT didn't change my preference.. Self-discovery did.

I went in to my transition thinking I was a straight woman, it was a logical choice, I'd been living as a gay guy for a long while.. And then I fell in love - with a woman. This forced me to have a long, hard look at my past.. Which made me realise I'd never loved a man, not one, even the ones I'd wanted to. But I had loved women.

Given my lack of any real physical attraction to men and complete lack of romantic attraction to men, it was safe to assume I was not straight.. Or even bi.. However, my physical and emotional attraction to women was undeniable..

Ditto to quote below..
Carrie

Quote from: Debussy on May 22, 2014, 06:09:06 PM
Before self acceptance- identified as straight, with guilty attraction towards males that I never admitted to

After self acceptance- bisexual, but could only find attraction to very feminine males

after 3 months HRT- attracted to masculine men as well, and still remain my attraction to women. So I guess just bi/pansexual. Although I've caught myself checking out males more probably because its so new! Normally when I look at girls now I'm looking at what they're wearing or getting jealous of their boobies 

Quote from: Jennifer. on May 22, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
Liam Neeson gal.

<Jessica gets interested in the topic now>

I highly relate to this topic. I am about two months on HRT now and before HRT I was highly depressive and asexual. Now, im super social and I think i might be attracted to guys as a woman. I've always read erotic novels between a man and a woman and wanting to be the woman in that scenario but outside of those stories, I would feel no physical attraction to anyone but now my attraction level to guys is slowly rising....

Nope, my preference itself never changed but there have been some alterations to my sexuality.  I've considered myself straight prior to hrt and still do after starting treatment.  I still see women very much the same way in the sense that I can find some women to be pretty or cute, but lack any sense of romantic or sexual attraction to them.  With men, I've always been attracted both romantically and physically which has remained true all along.  What has changed is that I find myself craving more romantic things since starting estrogen.  I don't know how to explain it, but my desires are more romantically inclined and the longing for a relationship has gotten very stronger which sucks as it can make me feel even more lonely.  Like I now get butterflys in my stomach when I'm around a crush much more than I used to. Not a big change, but those things are the only noticeable shifts I've picked up on.   

In any case, go with the flow.  It's cool to be gay, bi or straight.  Just follow your heart and don't apologize for what it wants.  That's all that matters.

Quote from: ath on May 21, 2014, 10:07:48 PM
This has been an interesting area in which I have changed.

Pre-HRT - I felt like I was 99.975% attracted to girls, and .025% attracted to men - back then juuuusstttt the riiiighhhttt guy would be attractive to me.

Now?

At first, I strongly resisted it, but around the 2 month mark on HRT I started realizing I had an involuntary attraction to certain guys.

I've still got my attraction to girls, but now I've got this attraction to guys that I can't ignore because it just happens without me doing anything. If anything I was wanting to -not- be attracted to guys! Now it's almost like I see at least one guy every day I find attractive. Only recently has this begun, with me being like 6 days from my 3 month mark on hormones. I saw a guy walking on the sidewalk as I was stopped at a red light in my car, today. I was thinking -that- type of thoughts about him, if you get what I mean - and it just blows my mind.

Never in a thousand years did I think I would develop an un-ignorable attraction to guys, like the attraction I have/had for girls. But now it's there, not there by will AT ALL, because I was resisting it big time, but it is there, and I can't ignore it. I've sort of had to cope with my newfound attraction to guys, but I'm coping with it and I'm OK with it. I can totally see myself falling for the right guy. It's so weird because it feels so good and I love it, but I can't explain it, because it's different from my attraction to girls, yet it gives me the same feeling as when I'm really attracted to a girl. It's just so weird to me - but I've grown to be OK with it.

I can now for the first time see myself being with either a girl or a guy. It's super weird but it's not unheard of or uncommon. It's just weird. I didn't expect it to happen like this, but it has. Now I find certain guys attractive - it's still similar to my previous tastes in men, but my range and general level of attraction has changed a lot.

I'm scared that this will happen to me, but you make it sound much more exciting than I am expecting it to be! lol

Quote from: FilaFord on May 23, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
I'm scared that this will happen to me, but you make it sound much more exciting than I am expecting it to be! lol

guys can be intensely interesting after starting HRT.

Quote from: stephaniec on May 23, 2014, 03:49:09 PM
guys can be intensely interesting after starting HRT.

I find lots of guys interesting right now, but I just don't find them to be sexually attractive.

If that changes, then I will be okay with it.  I just don't see how it could possibly change! 

Quote from: FilaFord on May 23, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
I find lots of guys interesting right now, but I just don't find them to be sexually attractive.

If that changes, then I will be okay with it.  I just don't see how it could possibly change! 

I've been bi all my life so its not a big change

Curiously, does anyone think HRT non-sexual attraction to guys is really just inferred role playing? The power of suggestion?

We are presenting female after all.

Before hrt, I had become pretty much asexual and remain so after being on it 10 years. not expecting it to change any either.

Quote from: learningtolive on May 23, 2014, 03:11:09 PM
In any case, go with the flow.  It's cool to be gay, bi or straight.  Just follow your heart and don't apologize for what it wants.  That's all that matters.

I agree with this. Many people seem fearful of being open to new possibilities, but in the end you do yourself a disservice if you don't listen to your heart.

As for me, I guess I have a future as a Lesbian, I have been on hormones some time and my only attraction is to women, unfortunately fairly feminine women too, which means my potential dating pool is very small. I honestly think it is too bad I don't like men, or even butch women in a romantic way, because that would be more potential partners but, C'est la vie I can only be that which I am, and small dating pool or not I know I deserve to find someone again so it won't dissuade me.

^ Same here, and I would be willing to accept a trans woman also. But she would have to be at least as pretty as me

No seriously, it would all have to click of course. And I'd hope whoever she is, was and is a good girl. That's what I would bring to the table.

Quote from: Evelyn K on May 23, 2014, 05:26:11 PM
^ Same here, and I would be willing to accept a trans woman also. But she would have to be at least as pretty as me

No seriously, it would all have to click of course. And I'd hope whoever she is, was and is a good girl. That's what I would bring to the table.

Oh yeah, same here Trans or cis doesn't really bother me, to me a woman is a woman, I don't get too hung up on parts.

Quote from: Evelyn K on May 23, 2014, 04:57:14 PM
Curiously, does anyone think HRT non-sexual attraction to guys is really just inferred role playing? The power of suggestion?

We are presenting female after all.

It might be more about "feeling OK" about feeling that way. Dunno. I rarely noticed guys when I was in guy mode myself, even when I was on HRT. Now I'm presenting female full time I certainly notice guys I like the look of more frequently. The sexual fantasies I had about women pre HRT have all but dwindled to nothing. Something's going on but I don't know what.

Oh god, I'd certainly hope there is no HRT re-wiring of my brain going on. I'd have to plug a cardio defibrillator into my spine if that happened to me.

Quote from: Evelyn K on May 23, 2014, 05:52:44 PM
Oh god, I'd certainly hope there is no HRT re-wiring of my brain going on. I'd have to plug a cardio defibrillator into my spine if that happened to me.

invasion of the body snatchers just sit back and take a nap

Quote from: Evelyn K on May 23, 2014, 05:26:11 PM
^ Same here, and I would be willing to accept a trans woman also. But she would have to be at least as pretty as me

No seriously, it would all have to click of course. And I'd hope whoever she is, was and is a good girl. That's what I would bring to the table.

^^
Very interesting  , that was the next question I was hoping to ask of you Evelyn, very convenient of you thanks 
Would you prefer one over the other if you clicked with both, and they both had a comparable level appearance (not meaning to be shallow, attraction does usually have some physical component, which I am trying to control for in my question  )

Quote from: Evelyn K on May 22, 2014, 12:07:14 PM
I hate most things related to testosterone, its consequence to beauty and aging (mine), and testosterones violence effect in society. Masculinity in general. Heck, so much so it's actually a problem for me. 

^^
The way his skin feels? Greasy sebum, huge pores, and scuzzy facial hair? And these things get more pronounced with older men.... Just saying since you have youth on your side.

Nasty. No thanks!

I would be interested to talk about this with you sometime, not to question your point of view at all I just love stimulating discussion.
I certainly have to agree with several points you make there, testosterone and masculinity certainly isn't for me!! lol, and many of todays current ills are indeed perpetrated by those with an over supply of T or not enough maturity to control it... However as for me I do have a great respect for masculinity and I guess testosterone too by default. It was the brave and driven, typically males who have driven forward the exploration of our earth and now in its early stages, the cosmos; who have also been mostly responsible for massive advances in science and technology in the last two centuries, and indeed the many wars which, despite their terrible human cost, were the hot houses of so much of the technology we rely on today. I don't think many would doubt that it was an orgasm (lol) of testosterone that in the 50's and 60's drove us into space. However I actually feel quite sorry for many males today, so many traits that were essential to them (and all of us) during most our evolution are now, in our modern civilisation, redundant; and are often now being expressed in very negative ways.. I hope we can find more ways to direct them in a more positive direction  I know so many good and amazing men, as well as some monsters. I think our world we be much the poorer if we lost them, in fact for all their warts and body odour lol, I think we will really need their drive and direction to surmount the many terrible problems that are rushing toward to us in our very near future..

Anyway that's my spiel lol, I certainly don't expect you to agree, I think our diversity of opinion gives us strength     

Philippa

ps sorry, that was way off topic lol, please don't follow my lead here ladies, this has been so interesting with some great posts thanks