http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/19/us-church-claims-that-men-dressed-as-women-can-legally-use-female-toilets/

In case you were inclined to give them your opinion, they are NOT the church referenced in the comments.  The one you're looking for is on Gulf Freeway in Houston.


US: Church claims that 'men dressed as women' can use female toilets

    19th May 2014, 10:10 PM
    Nick Duffy

A Houston church has put up a sign claiming that "men dressed as women" will use the female toilets if the city passes an equal rights ordinance.

According to Houston Press, the sign in Grace Community Church reads: "Warning to all biological women. Use this restroom at your own risk

"Men who are dressed as women are legally allowed to be in this restroom and the police cannot ask them to leave.

"Houston City council members and other civic-minded groups feel that allowing men or those who are biologically men but who now think otherwise to have access to your restroom or locker room, or sauna, will be what makes Houston the best place to live, work, and build a business.

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Sad and dangerous.

Sounds like we may be wearing scarlet "Ts" before long, huh.

Scarlet Ts?

The movie the scarlet letter. People were required to wear letters for various crimes like an "A' for adultery or "B" for batterers. Happened during the Puritan era.

Sounds like a bunch of you girls in Houston need to visit that church and exhibit exemplary behavior. Let them learn that we are not perverts with a bathroom fetish.

Trouble is, bathroom seperation exsits, to seperate would be victims, from would victimisers. And people fail to understand, that beings trans woman, makes us would be victims too.

That's how a femail cis freind of mine put it, during a time of discomfort, concerning legality. She turned around and pretty much told me, those signs on the doors don't mean, man and woman. But hunter and prey, and pointed out that I'm prey.

Of course everybody becomes a target for countless reasons anyway. But their is still things we can do to avoid some situations.

Sigh.... Many of the problembs we face, are as a result of cis men, and cis womans fear of them. I'm not talking good men of course. But that bad people everybody is scared of. If it wasn't for these people, nobody would panic we might be like them

But all I can say is, (forgive me for sounding like a broken record) the chances are who ever made that sign has never met and/or taken the time to understand what gender dysphoria is about and/or like.

A person is smart, but mankind is stupid.

Women have been police officers for a long time now. It's not a recent thing.

If I were a lady I'd be inclined to go use their restrooms.

That said, I did send them an email with a compassion check.  Maybe they need to read their Bibles a bit more carefully.


Jay

CLEARLY that church doesn't understand that trans people aren't the gender their body is.  I think someone outta stick a sign on them pointing something about themselves out and see how it feels.    (Jk on the bat lol)

Houston Mayor drops bathroom provision from nondiscrimination ordinance
By Jayme Fraser |  Updated: May 14, 2014

Quote from: amid outcry specific paragraph has been droppedMayor Annise Parker and supporters of her proposed nondiscrimination ordinance announced a compromise Tuesday in hopes of deflecting controversy over a small provision that had dominated discussion on the measure . . . The proposed amendment would remove that paragraph of the expansive ordinance. Transgender people barred access to a restroom still would be able to file a discrimination complaint to the city's Office of Inspector General under the process outlined for all protected characteristics, such as race and veteran status.

"The base ordinance is still the same," Parker said. "It says you can't discriminate."

Bully pulpit: Houston subpoenas pastors' sermons, then backs off amidst outcry
Related October 15, 2014 : Pastors had slammed demand from Mayor Annise Parker, city as a threat to religious freedom

QuoteAfter calling church sermons "fair game" for subpoena, Houston Mayor Annise Parker backed down Wednesday from the city's effort to force local pastors to turn over speeches and papers related to a hotly contested transgender rights ordinance.

The city had asked five pastors for "all speeches, presentations, or sermons" on a variety of topics, including the mayor, and "gender identity."

I suppose in this case SHOOTING THE MESSAGER, as opposed to the message, would be a good thing ? Even if "conservative groups" are wrong in hyping fear mongering over this issue liberals cannot shut down their right to express it.

QuoteSounds like a bunch of you girls in Houston need to visit that church and exhibit exemplary behavior.

It's up to us to help change "minds", not 'democratically' force issues down people throats .

PULPIT FREEDOM SUNDAY - OCTOBER 5, 2014

What's of real issue here is History of the Johnson Amendment:

QuoteThe Johnson Amendment was passed by Congress in 1954 as an amendment to section 501(c)(3) of the federal tax code. The Johnson Amendment states that entities who are exempt from federal income tax cannot: Participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of – or in opposition to – any candidate for public office.

The Johnson Amendment was added to the tax code as a result of the political machinations of Lyndon B. Johnson who was running for reelection to the United States Senate.

It's churches VS an increasingly atheistic Gov't. As long as one huge organized segment of the U.S. population is BANNED from "freedom of expression" (as in 1st Amendment rights) WHY would anybody else expect any better treatment?

The Solid South Will Rise Again
NOV. 19, 2014

Quote from: you cannot force legislate attitudes, social equality"The midterm elections have left us with the America that always has been," Ken H. wrote from Athens, Ala. "It is tainted with more racial, gender, ethnic, and religious discrimination than we like to admit."

Seems like pure hate speech to me, and should be treated as such.

It is strange that these people will get away with saying anything. They need to read the bible for a change. Read what Jesus taught us. Jesus never said anything about gender or hating a group. He preached LOVE, just like Muhammad preached only LOVE. People are beasts!

The last thing these people are going to do is read their Bible. I looked up the church that is doing this. It is a mega church on the outskirts of town. If you're unfamiliar with mega churches, they're really more about entertainment than about being religious. They have very little in common with small churches and Christians that go to small churches. Even if you go to one of these places and try to positively represent trans women, it wont matter because you're going to be there with like a thousand other people that basically came to enjoy a show.

It is definitely just hate speech. I'm sad to see the bathroom provision of the non-discrimination ordinance was axed. Houston just barely passed this GLBT non-discrimination ordinance, and I know that they can't enforce even the other provisions of it yet.

Quote from: Kiera
The Solid South Will Rise Again
NOV. 19, 2014

Quote from: you cannot force legislate attitudes, social equality

"The midterm elections have left us with the America that always has been," Ken H. wrote from Athens, Ala. "It is tainted with more racial, gender, ethnic, and religious discrimination than we like to admit."

Race is a bigger problem in the country now than it was just 6 years ago. That bigotry comes from the policies and views at the top.

One of the many reasons why I haven't been to church in 13 years.

Quote from: PinkCloud on December 08, 2014, 04:42:33 AM
Seems like pure hate speech to me, and should be treated as such.

It is strange that these people will get away with saying anything. They need to read the bible for a change. Read what Jesus taught us. Jesus never said anything about gender or hating a group. He preached LOVE, just like Muhammad preached only LOVE. People are beasts!

They reference the old testament, ironically.

Kiera, I appreciate your right to express your feelings on this issue, but I would ask you refrain from using the word "libtards" here for 3 reasons.
1. It makes your own argument look weak when you resort to name calling."
2. I'm sure there are liberal posters on the board who would find it offensive/upsetting/stupid.
3. I personally hate that word because it's no different than calling someone a "retatd" which is absolutely uncalled for in any situation. 

Sorry, to derail the thread, but that was really bothering me.

 

Please people, lets avoid arguments AND name calling.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Sorry. Thank you.