So pride/not wanting to owe favours/do dirty things is more important than severe GID?

Even if it would take several years to get the money for getting the treatment otherwise?

Just curious.

Even after my explaination of intent, people are still wondering about having to do dirty jobs and owing favors? I have to say did anyone read my further explaination?

I can understand the people that feel like they should earn it but I hear a number of people talking about how they're upset they don't have the money yet and that they can't wait till they do. I naturally thought something like this offer might have been appealing to most. Sure if you're still suspicious, you'd wait till a couple of folks had been helped in this manner and find out how they feel about it all. Ask them if there were any strings attached or what.

Very interesting responses though.

Marq and Mia

My parents paid for my GRS and sometimes (when we get into heated debates or disagreements) I bite my tongue because I never forget what they did for me & also because they're my parents.  I couldn't put up with anyone's tripe besides theirs though.  My answer is no, I wouldn't take it.

I'd go for it without a second thought.  Life always has its lucky elements both good and bad.  I've had bad luck by being born with GID so why would I turn down some good luck that helps to offset that disadvantage?

I have little time for those who seem to think you have to 'earn' the right to have SRS.  They often seem to have a need to prove that their GID must be so so severe because they went through so much strife to get treatment.  It's not a competition and it proves nothing (most of these people ironically would also say they had no choice in transitioning).

<sarcasm>I reckon cancer patients should have to work 16 hours a day in a crappy job to EARN the right to have chemotherapy... </sarcasm>

Quote from: taru on August 31, 2007, 05:19:23 AM
So pride/not wanting to owe favours/do dirty things is more important than severe GID?

Even if it would take several years to get the money for getting the treatment otherwise?

Just curious.

I've heard more stupid reasons for not transitioning.  Some peeps are very clever at frabricating stories about their inability to be who they think they are. You can see it everywhere.  I can't because, because, because, because, because, because   always a "because". 
What a load of tripe!

You can be my 'devils' any day M&M   

I don't think I would accept it.  I like to get to my goals by myself even if that takes one hundred years.  Maybe I also have too much pride in me.  I dunno.  Who knows.  This is a hypothetical situation which would need to be thought over carefully if it were real.  Realizing that it is hypothetical diminishes its meaning & importance.  Maybe IRL my decision would be different.  I really can't say.
~laugh~ Oh Yvonne.  I praise your sarcasm.

Actually I was trying to go for it being considered as a real situation and not one based on ones principles. But I recognize that very real money being offered makes it a different situation entirely. I'll know who wants help though when I do have the money.


M&M

Quote from: Marq and Mia on August 31, 2007, 03:25:12 PM
Actually I was trying to go for it being considered as a real situation and not one based on ones principles. But I recognize that very real money being offered makes it a different situation entirely. I'll know who wants help though when I do have the money.


M&M

Heehee well I said yes even before your elaboration muhahaha  >
... So I guess that means my principles suck

Quote from: Marq and Mia on August 31, 2007, 06:32:35 AM
Even after my explaination of intent, people are still wondering about having to do dirty jobs and owing favors? I have to say did anyone read my further explaination?

I can understand the people that feel like they should earn it but I hear a number of people talking about how they're upset they don't have the money yet and that they can't wait till they do. I naturally thought something like this offer might have been appealing to most. Sure if you're still suspicious, you'd wait till a couple of folks had been helped in this manner and find out how they feel about it all. Ask them if there were any strings attached or what.

Very interesting responses though.

Marq and Mia

My apologies. In my experience, no one is that nice to do something so profound for another without an ulterior motive (usually sex).
If there were such a person who would offer life and freedom (and that's what surgery is to a transsexual) to another wanting only friendship in return, they would be a very rare jewel indeed. That or the reincarnation of the Christ himself.

Quote from: Yvonne on August 31, 2007, 07:58:11 AM

Quote from: taru on August 31, 2007, 05:19:23 AM
So pride/not wanting to owe favours/do dirty things is more important than severe GID?

Even if it would take several years to get the money for getting the treatment otherwise?

Just curious.

I've heard more stupid reasons for not transitioning.  Some peeps are very clever at frabricating stories about their inability to be who they think they are. You can see it everywhere.  I can't because, because, because, because, because, because   always a "because". 
What a load of tripe!

OMG, You are TS if thats you in your photo I would have never ever thought you were a man once. You look like a super model!

Quote from: chillin on August 31, 2007, 10:12:40 PM

Quote from: Yvonne on August 31, 2007, 07:58:11 AM

Quote from: taru on August 31, 2007, 05:19:23 AM
So pride/not wanting to owe favours/do dirty things is more important than severe GID?

Even if it would take several years to get the money for getting the treatment otherwise?

Just curious.

I've heard more stupid reasons for not transitioning.  Some peeps are very clever at frabricating stories about their inability to be who they think they are. You can see it everywhere.  I can't because, because, because, because, because, because   always a "because". 
What a load of tripe!

OMG, You are TG if thats you in your photo I would have never ever you were a man once. You look like a super model!

She is quite a bombshell. You do model, don't you Yvonne?

If I could get what I wanted? I'd take it in a heartbeat, but with the same promise I make any time a situation like this comes up.

I would pay it forward.

One day, when I was in a better place financially and could do it, I would find someone else who needed help and fund it for them, asking only in return that they pay it forward in some way.

Yes Tay!
Thats exactly how I'd like it to work. Even if someone who was given the gift didn't necessarily pay for someone else later on, just to pass on the kindness in some manner would be the benefit.

Marq and Mia
What starts with one spreads to many and ultimately affects all

QuoteI would pay it forward.

One day, when I was in a better place financially and could do it, I would find someone else who needed help and fund it for them, asking only in return that they pay it forward in some way.

Yes, that's the way I'd do it. In fact, as a musician, I've often helped out younger musicians however I could, as I was helped by others when I was starting out. I've occasionally thought of setting up a trust before I leave the earthly plane, that would award scholarships to transgender musicians. Just one little problem, I don't have any money to leave to that trust 

zythyra

With all due respect, and I'm really not intending to step on anyone's toes by saying this but, just to 'pay something forward' because you received something seems more related to a sense of responsibility and obligation to me. Sure, it sounds nice, but I'm cynical like that.

I'd rather be helped by someone who is helping me because of their nature (good grief! does such mentality even still exist?!) then by someone who wants to return a favour they received from another individual. It's kind of similar to someone winning a jackpot and then doing volunteeringwork because they have enough money and don't need to work. *shrugs* My mind is odd like that.

Even if the catch was to erase my memory like Jason Bourne, I would 100% take it. Hell, it might even be better that way. My goals aren't exactly falling into place in warp speed here.

Quote from: y2gender on September 01, 2007, 07:13:30 AM

QuoteI would pay it forward.

One day, when I was in a better place financially and could do it, I would find someone else who needed help and fund it for them, asking only in return that they pay it forward in some way.

Yes, that's the way I'd do it. In fact, as a musician, I've often helped out younger musicians however I could, as I was helped by others when I was starting out. I've occasionally thought of setting up a trust before I leave the earthly plane, that would award scholarships to transgender musicians. Just one little problem, I don't have any money to leave to that trust 

zythyra

I've been really poor lately--to the point of sometimes wondering if a roof over my head is a possibility. 

When the final Harry Potter book was coming out, I had posted in a "sad things" thread on an adult HP board that I could not possibly afford the final book and that I hoped I could afford it by Christmas, so I probably would be staying away from the board to avoid spoilers, for a few months.

The next day, I had an online gift certificate from someone on that board and ordered my book.  She wouldn't take no for an answer, and didn't want repayment.  The only repayment she'd accept was my promise to pay it forward.

I try to do that with everything that I am given. 

no_id: It's not an obligation or responsibility.  It's my way of paying into all the good karma in the world, I guess is the best way to explain it. Trying to make the world brighter and keep good deeds giving and giving.

Quote from: Tay on September 01, 2007, 11:27:46 PM

Quote from: y2gender on September 01, 2007, 07:13:30 AM

QuoteI would pay it forward.

One day, when I was in a better place financially and could do it, I would find someone else who needed help and fund it for them, asking only in return that they pay it forward in some way.

Yes, that's the way I'd do it. In fact, as a musician, I've often helped out younger musicians however I could, as I was helped by others when I was starting out. I've occasionally thought of setting up a trust before I leave the earthly plane, that would award scholarships to transgender musicians. Just one little problem, I don't have any money to leave to that trust 

zythyra

I've been really poor lately--to the point of sometimes wondering if a roof over my head is a possibility. 

When the final Harry Potter book was coming out, I had posted in a "sad things" thread on an adult HP board that I could not possibly afford the final book and that I hoped I could afford it by Christmas, so I probably would be staying away from the board to avoid spoilers, for a few months.

The next day, I had an online gift certificate from someone on that board and ordered my book.  She wouldn't take no for an answer, and didn't want repayment.  The only repayment she'd accept was my promise to pay it forward.

I try to do that with everything that I am given. 

no_id: It's not an obligation or responsibility.  It's my way of paying into all the good karma in the world, I guess is the best way to explain it. Trying to make the world brighter and keep good deeds giving and giving.

aww that's such a sweet story, Tay

QuoteI try to do that with everything that I am given.

no_id: It's not an obligation or responsibility.  It's my way of paying into all the good karma in the world, I guess is the best way to explain it. Trying to make the world brighter and keep good deeds giving and giving.

That's a great way to live Tay!

Zythyra