This is the first time I've ever done this sort of thing, so please be honest.
And, I know this may also sound self indulgent and vanity-ish, but can you add, if you'd like, if I look ugly, cute, average whether boy or girl, etc?

I'm trying to look androgynous if that's possible. Okay! Here are pics!

http://imageshack.com/a/img841/4395/8h2an.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img844/3306/ucl3.jpg

I hate my nose...

female. you definitely look female.

<Jessica confused>
Could go either way to me. Totally androgynous!

Boy

If I had to guess on my own, I would say male, but if you told me female, I would not be surprised. (I guess the androgynous is working lol)

Male. But defintely hot with the hair. But also somewhat androgynous.

I'd guess boy first, but not be startled if you were a girl. I do 't think your fully androgynous though. But it would depend on how your hair was, what you ere wearing. If you wore some more feminine jewelry or clothing, even guys clothing in lighter or pastel-ish colors, you'd be totally androgynous perhaps even leaning female.

This is interesting... many mixed answers, which is good? Hurray! Please keep going.

Do the glasses do anything? I need them to see small text, but I'm not sure if it adds/subtracts anything, but this is just me being curiously picky. But why not? Blah

Quote from: Rayne on May 27, 2014, 02:49:33 PM
I'd guess boy first, but not be startled if you were a girl. I do 't think your fully androgynous though. But it would depend on how your hair was, what you ere wearing. If you wore some more feminine jewelry or clothing, even guys clothing in lighter or pastel-ish colors, you'd be totally androgynous perhaps even leaning female.

I think this is an amazing point!

To be honest at a glance I can see you're male and in beauty departments you're neutral not pretty but not ugly either BUT with proper surgery you can look better and hotter and proper make up.

Things to correct:

1.Chin (wide)
2.Jaw (Mandibular)
3,Nose (wide)
4.Brow ridge reduction (prominent)/brow lift
5.Blepharoplasty to cut that 'chinky eyes' look
6.Cheek implants, you lack upper chicks

Quote from: Evolving Beauty on May 27, 2014, 03:36:23 PM
To be honest at a glance I can see you're male and in beauty departments you're neutral not pretty but not ugly either BUT with proper surgery you can look better and hotter and proper make up.

Things to correct:

1.Chin (wide)
2.Jaw (Mandibular)
3,Nose (wide)
4.Brow ridge reduction (prominent)/brow lift
5.Blepharoplasty to cut that 'chinky eyes' look
6.Cheek implants, you lack upper chicks

I was actually going to ask what I would need done at some point to look even more androgynous, thanks for giving me a glimpse.
But the chin is number one? I thought it was my big ugly nose that needed the most attention for the greatest results. Followed 2nd by chin. As for 'neutral' in looks, lol, I think that's kind of fitting.

Quote from: CrescentWave on May 27, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
I was actually going to ask what I would need done at some point to look even more androgynous, thanks for giving me a glimpse.
But the chin is number one? I thought it was my big ugly nose that needed the most attention for the greatest results. Followed 2nd by chin. As for 'neutral' in looks, lol, I think that's kind of fitting.

I'd say you look male, but you could pull the andro look of better if you styled your hair differently.  And I would say your chin gives you away more so than your nose.  Ethnicity plays a role there.  If you put your nose on my face I'd be a big give away, but on you it isn't as much of a problem.

hmm I'm seeing mixed results here. So I think you have my problem which is your 50 / 50 at looking the way you want. Your going to need to learn angles for camera shots mainly. 

I see female with no make up on. Add some nice nails and lipstick with long eyelashs and plucked eyebrows and I think you'll do just fine!  Now how about a full body picture? 


EDIT:  Your very androgynous in the face region. Have you been on HRT?

Quote from: TheQuestion on May 27, 2014, 04:09:21 PM
I'd say you look male, but you could pull the andro look of better if you styled your hair differently.  And I would say your chin gives you away more so than your nose.  Ethnicity plays a role there.  If you put your nose on my face I'd be a big give away, but on you it isn't as much of a problem.

Hum, I never actually considered the ethnicity thing. Thanks for the insight!
As for this chin surgery, is it simply called, 'chin reduction surgery'? I intend to go to a FFS surgeon at some point to correct these things. Honestly, androgynous-ness is my goal, but I wouldn't mind at all looking moreso female... >_>

Quote from: Kyra553 on May 27, 2014, 04:13:07 PM
hmm I'm seeing mixed results here. So I think you have my problem which is your 50 / 50 at looking the way you want. Your going to need to learn angles for camera shots mainly. 

I see female with no make up on. Add some nice nails and lipstick with long eyelashs and plucked eyebrows and I think you'll do just fine!  Now how about a full body picture? 


EDIT:  Have you been on HRT?

I have not done HRT and don't really plan to. Maybe if there was a way to make the hormone replacement a one time thing... like, take a pill and your hormones will forever be reversed without ever having to worry about more medicine, then I'd probably do it, but I'm sure everyone here wishes that were a thing. As for that full body picture... umm... maybe later, after I feel... better about my face? I'm kind of thin (and weak) with visible abs though. Please use your imagination. (im just being lazy now)

Quote from: Evolving Beauty on May 27, 2014, 03:36:23 PM
To be honest at a glance I can see you're male and in beauty departments you're neutral not pretty but not ugly either BUT with proper surgery you can look better and hotter and proper make up.

Things to correct:

1.Chin (wide)
2.Jaw (Mandibular)
3,Nose (wide)
4.Brow ridge reduction (prominent)/brow lift
5.Blepharoplasty to cut that 'chinky eyes' look
6.Cheek implants, you lack upper chicks

I'd agree with Kyra's statement that with makeup and whatnot you'd look fairly female, going with my own statement that with the right cloths and such you could be either... But...

I can't help but feel that if anyone said I needed all those surgeries to look great...it'd make me feel ugly. and from what I hear good makeup techniques can make up for all or most of those. I was surprised when you thanked him/her for it. No offense to you or evolving, I just know how I'd feel after hearing that. I'm glad it doesn't bother you.

I still think you could pass either way with the right hair style, clothes, makeup, and other such things. ^^

Quote from: Rayne on May 27, 2014, 04:26:21 PM
I'd agree with Kyra's statement that with makeup and whatnot you'd look fairly female, going with my own statement that with the right cloths and such you could be either... But...

I can't help but feel that if anyone said I needed all those surgeries to look great...it'd make me feel ugly. and from what I fear good makeup techniques can make up for all or most of those. I was surprised when you thanked him/her for it. No offense to you or evolving, I just know how I'd feel after hearing that. I'm glad it doesn't bother you.

I still think you could pass either way with the right hair style, clothes, makeup, and other such things. ^^

I'm not sure if your directing that at me, but I didn't say he needed his chin done.  I just answered his question and gave him an honest answer.  It's what I feel is the main indicator of his being male as far as his face goes.  Didn't say it was an ugly chin, just not the most feminine chin.  I agree though, you probably don't need all those surgeries, make-up would be fine for you; it's not like your transitioning.

Honestly? Based solely on looks, you could go either way. Actually interacting with you would give me an answer.

Some around here will tell everyone they need surgery, go with what your life experience is telling you - if I'd listened to them, I'd still be hiding in a closet somewhere..

Quote from: TheQuestion on May 27, 2014, 04:46:31 PM
I'm not sure if your directing that at me, but I didn't say he needed his chin done.  I just answered his question and gave him an honest answer.  It's what I feel is the main indicator of his being male as far as his face goes.  Didn't say it was an ugly chin, just not the most feminine chin.  I agree though, you probably don't need all those surgeries, make-up would be fine for you; it's not like your transitioning.

no I was quoting evolving. Check the quote tag at the top ^~^

Quote from: CrescentWave on May 27, 2014, 02:00:24 PM
This is the first time I've ever done this sort of thing, so please be honest.
And, I know this may also sound self indulgent and vanity-ish, but can you add, if you'd like, if I look ugly, cute, average whether boy or girl, etc?

I'm trying to look androgynous if that's possible. Okay! Here are pics!

http://imageshack.com/a/img841/4395/8h2an.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img844/3306/ucl3.jpg

I hate my nose...

You look male to me, however, your bone structure, hair line, and jaw are such that with some HRT  you may look female enough not to need FFS.

Quote from: Rayne on May 27, 2014, 06:24:01 PM
no I was quoting evolving. Check the quote tag at the top ^~^

No problem, I just wasn't sure who the you was when you said you or evolving.

I feel like you look more feminine with the glasses, and more masculine without. Also I think the glasses are really cute on you, regardless.

~ pianoforte