I was wanting to gather some opinions before making a decision on something related to my summer job.

I have been working summer camps for the last 10 years now. The last two summers I have gone to camp as male/trans status known because I was pre-t/early on T so it was a bit obvious to the majority that I was not cis and since my id's had my birth name/gender on it those who hired me knew of course. But was still treated as male staff entirely, especially at my first summer job where I could identify as such. For being Pre-T the staff didn't bat an eye at it and at the end of the summer there were a few staff who told me they had only recently found out I was trans. So overall good experiences there, last summer was good overall as well.

Well, this summer I will be at a new camp where I won't have anyone there who knows me (usually a friend and I travel together to new camps each year) and I haven't told anyone from there that I am trans and I keep trying to decide if I need to or not. My friend who is a camp director/ referred me to the job thinks I don't. But I just am unsure.
I enjoy being stealth and I felt like last summer rules that applied to males were sometimes bent because I was trans so my boss would bend them as needed since as she would put it, "I was technically a female" or I was met with a lot of the "man up since you want to be a man" attitude.
The camp I am working at is Girl Scouts and the position I am working is one that would be open to both males or females. I know that the council has hired trans staff before so it wouldn't be an issue. I was hired in as male but I just didn't know if I needed to disclose that I'm trans. I have all my id's and such updated to my name and my gender marker has been changed on them as well. I pass 100% in public. It's hard to say since it's a job where I am living with those I work with so I was just wanting to hear some other people's thoughts on it.

It's a girl scout camp so they keep you a distance from the girls. Only male we had when I went was the cook who even slept in his own little hut. I wouldn't tell them unless you want to possibly have to share a room with a girl counsellor.

I've worked at Girl Scout camps since 2007 and that isn't the case entirely as far as male staff having to be away from campers, at least during the day/evening. At night yes it is separate living arrangements for sleeping and males have to have a female with them to walk anywhere that is not main camp.

And the last two summers since I was still early in transition it was known I was trans but I still was treated entirely as male. So I was not housed with females, the first summer I identified as male I was given the option to live in what was called "man-land" with the cooks or because of my position being administration I was allowed to live in separate housing by the camp office. And last summer I lived in male housing but it was private since we had the space to allow so.

So I'm not worried they would suddenly house me with females. I'm more concerned as to if I need to tell them for any reason. It wouldn't change anything as far as my contact with campers goes. The only thing it might change is housing- they might decide to house me separate from males and females, but I think that would also come down to the logistics of space/number of males sort of thing.

If you get injured and can't respond it might be a shock for the paramedics if they have to remove your clothes for whatever reason. Did you have top surgery? Drowning in the pool and them stripping off your shirt to electrocute you would give you away.

Quote from: Alexthecat on May 31, 2014, 06:48:11 AM
If you get injured and can't respond it might be a shock for the paramedics if they have to remove your clothes for whatever reason. Did you have top surgery? Drowning in the pool and them stripping off your shirt to electrocute you would give you away.

If that happened it would be the least of my worries! I'd hope they'd try to save me  to the best of their ability regardless of what's on my chest.

Quote from: Alexthecat on May 31, 2014, 06:48:11 AM
If you get injured and can't respond it might be a shock for the paramedics if they have to remove your clothes for whatever reason. Did you have top surgery? Drowning in the pool and them stripping off your shirt to electrocute you would give you away.

But that's true of any of us who haven't had top surgery? Are you saying we need to walk around telling people we are trans just in case there's an accident?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm honestly confused.

Quote from: Alexthecat on May 31, 2014, 06:48:11 AM
If you get injured and can't respond it might be a shock for the paramedics if they have to remove your clothes for whatever reason. Did you have top surgery? Drowning in the pool and them stripping off your shirt to electrocute you would give you away.

Any one could get injured at any point in life and transition and have paramedics or other medical personnel possibly remove their clothes.  Should no one ever live stealth because of this?  And it wouldn't necessarily give him away depending on how things looked (if you know what I mean).  Binders are also marketed to cis males with gynecomastia, not just trans men. 

OP - I wouldn't tell them if I were in your position, I hate people to know I'm trans, especially since it doesn't have any impact on my work abilities. 

Thank you to those who replied.

The medical was something I was thinking as a reason to tell. But then like others have said if it came down to that kind of emergency situation I'm not too sure it would matter I would just help regardless that they worked to do whatever they could to save me. And on the other note even if the entire staff knew I think it would be a shock regardless to the paramedics because if I was dying I don't think someone would think let me warn them before they cut of my clothing.

I know if they had to cut my top off in an emergency that it wouldn't necessarily be a give away as I am a larger guy and my cup size is less than an A, I could never fill an A cup when it came to that. So I am really lucky in that sense because it just looks proportionate to what a cis guy my size would have and while I bind with a binder bc it makes me more comfortable, I can get away with compression shirts and look fine.

And I would only want to disclose to my boss that I was transgender, not anyone else. That much I do know that I wouldn't want to have everyone knowing because it isn't relevant to anything. But I am thinking that I will wait and see once I am there if I feel it might somehow be relevant.

I know in the past it was different because I had to make a point to say and explain to my directors that I wanted to be hired as male even though all my documentation says otherwise. And I imagine HR knows since they run background checks on us and I think that would come up.

Thanks for your thoughts.

And on the other note even if the entire staff knew I think it would be a shock regardless to the paramedics because if I was dying I don't think someone would think let me warn them before they cut of my clothing.

Don't be too sure about this. I had a ambulance ride from work. Several people made real sure the ambulance people know before I ever saw them, as in running to them when they pulled in. It made no difference on medical treatment, but it sure effected the people in the ambulance and hospital mentally. Another bad trip.

Quote from: LordKAT on June 01, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
Don't be too sure about this. I had a ambulance ride from work. Several people made real sure the ambulance people know before I ever saw them, as in running to them when they pulled in. It made no difference on medical treatment, but it sure effected the people in the ambulance and hospital mentally. Another bad trip.

Hmm, I could see that now that I think about it. But again I am not overly concerned about an ambulance situation happening that involves myself. I have worked camp for a long time now and in all that time we've had the ambulance on site 2 times. Not saying it couldn't happen because I very well know it could. A lot of injuries were things where the camper/staff member could be driven to the hospital rather than create the commotion an ambulance causes.  Of course if the situation requires one we call but if not we drive them ourselves.

Sorry that you had a bad trip. I've only had one real bad medical visit that was bad because of them knowing I was trans and it angered me quite a bit.

Quote from: Alexthecat on May 31, 2014, 03:36:36 AM
It's a girl scout camp so they keep you a distance from the girls. Only male we had when I went was the cook who even slept in his own little hut. I wouldn't tell them unless you want to possibly have to share a room with a girl counsellor.

They wouldn't make a man share a room with a female counselor.