Quote from: Jess42 on May 31, 2014, 08:32:27 PM
Wow. I really don't know what to say. God made my Spirit in that same image and I just feel more female than male but both aspects are in me. How should I feel? Male or Female? God, I am so confued at times.

First what is male and what is female?

Second the answer to me is - Happy, genuine, authentic and who you are. 


Jess dear thanks for these and so many other comments in other areas of the forum where you have helped me.  For the hair - cutting it to male will probably trigger a feeling similar to being violated, if I am forced to it, regardless of if I am GQ non binary or not.  It goes against the honest core.  I may become willing to try it for a while momentarily to play a theater role or in a very hostile environment (later this month...) but the feelings get rough and my dysphoria rebounds in a very unhealthy way if I disturb it too much

As to the scriptures, very quickly, where I am at with it when fully sane is that they are meant for the time and place and people of that time and social condition, re effeminate is actually either a temple prostitute or the younger member of a male to male physical relationship where the other partner is much older, back in that time period where anything that moved could be had for intercourse.  Or in revelation where it is to indicate someone so in the flesh that it becomes over the top, when you see someone utterly controlled by lust.   I could be dead wrong on all of this I am no translator.

Having said that, the idea for me is to get the heart or the spirit of the unchanging God's law and love, see through the scripture to the other side and find out from Him what He feels about it all.  So it becomes paramount to understand what is said in original language, who it is for, why it is there, and the fundamental truth that is its foundation.

And I very much enjoy your comments and your wonderful instinct to protect my right to have the hair that matches my core gender.

God bless you dear...

I do believe that scripture is truly God Breathed.  I also believe that some of the stuff in there is not applicable in our current social scenario, specifically with regards to cis-women.  So I do take it not literal in the sense of rigid law, but spiritually, in the sense of How does this apply Today?  What is it's fruit?  What is the witness of the Spirit saying as it relates to me and how I apply this, and is the enemy of our souls doing the same thing he did to Jesus by misusing specific scripture to his own selfish ends..... to bring us under condemnation and fear.

Many thanks... many many thanks.

I know about the hair part. I would be tremendously crushed to have to get a haircut. I have invested almost two years and now it is finally long enough to where more and more people are commenting about it. I have noticed guys that I see often seem to be letting theirs grow a little bit longer than before. Never thought I would ever be a trendsetter. I think it is mainly because of the comments I get from women and these guys kind of feel left out. I woulndn't even cut it for a play or anything else. I really need it guy or girl.

Like I said, to me the Bible in it's original text is a mystery. There does seem to be a code if you have ever seen anything on it or read anything about it that foretells events. The only problem is that we haven't a clue right now until after the events using key words. But translated I believe it loses that code like structure. Still though, even translated it is extrememly useful and inspirational in our day to day lives. You're right though it was written in different times and so much has changed.

Sometimes though, especially when it comes to Spirituality, we need other's perpective in order to gain control on our own perspective. But those perspectives are just as unique as you and I are as people.

You are welcome and definately think before you cut 'cause it seems to take forever to grow back out. Especially that dreaded awkward stage. I still have awkward hair days even as long as it is but at least it looks awkwardly good though.

Eh, let us not forget about how even men are supposed to wear a lacy pattern on their shirt/clothing yet no one does that anymore and such a pattern design these days are woman only patterns/designs/clothing. I believe there was one more thing in/around that same passage I was going to point out but I forget.

I will say that even eunuchs were allowed to dress in female attire and were even at times treated as woman. Food for thought. Oh and just to be clear, we as trans are not eunuchs as the two while similar, are vastly different.

I owe everyone here especially Sarah, Jess and Satinjoy an apology for my snarky comment about the length of their responses, it was not right and I am grieved by my attitude. It was brought to my attention that I have stepped on peoples's feelings and it's not like me to be that way please forgive me!

Forgive what dear?  You speak from the heart and we know that... but its great you cleared your mind and settled the concern of offending or hurting feelings in here.  That's important for the one hurt and the one who did the hurting.  Its never out of malice, we know that too.

You are loved in this place and always will be.  All of us are, we are unique and united together in a common adversity like nothing else others can understand.  A seat at the feast is reserved for you... I really wonder what our bodies will be like up there.  I'd like to have my androgyne physiology in heaven.

Love to all here.

Each of those I named has responded in loving kindness and I do appreciate it and love you all thank you dear friends!

Quote from: Shantel on July 16, 2014, 12:14:44 PM
Each of those I named has responded in loving kindness and I do appreciate it and love you all thank you dear friends!

Oh Shantel who could be mad at you?

Quote from: Jess42 on July 16, 2014, 01:38:18 PM
Oh Shantel who could be mad at you?

Me for being an occasional grumpy curmudgeon, probably partially age related and the fact that I am a type-A personality, the two makes for a bad combo and we both know that short fuzes and HE are a bad mix to have on a mission op-plan.

Everybody has an occasional bad day Shantel. Even you! You are a very helpful, upbeat, encouraging person and everyone knows that, and no one is carrying a grudge against ya. Carry on!

Quote from: Eva Marie on July 16, 2014, 02:50:35 PM
Everybody has an occasional bad day Shantel. Even you! You are a very helpful, upbeat, encouraging person and everyone knows that, and no one is carrying a grudge against ya. Carry on!

Thanks hon!

Quote from: Shantel on June 05, 2014, 05:02:04 PM
Yeah me too and I apologize to everyone for being so prickly in my last comment. I just live by the simple formula "Keep it simple stupid!" (KISS) Because anyone looking in and enquiring about these things will get information overload, keep it simple and gospel centered for Christ's sake! (Not cussing here for those who don't know better)

I'm going to throw down the gauntlet at you Shan! 

At a basic level, the gospel and core beliefs are beautiful and simple.  There are core beliefs that are common to all denominations, whether it be catholic or whatever brand of Protestants.

Then there are the peripheral issues, the grey areas which may not necessarily affect ones salvation.

The position one takes on a given issue, boils down to ones systematic theology (a systematic study of God) - how one has read through all scripture in a given issue, and the translated through the prism of ones personal, and cultural bias.

From theology comes ones doctrine, ones belief on a given issue, and practical application of such.

Keeping the gospel Truth as something simple is important, but the walls of text here, are expressions of posters systematic thoughts on the bible to come to a position on an issue.  When something isn't clear cut (this isn't a case of "thou shalt not kill") then it is necessary - even if a consensus is not reached.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  That's a lot of walls of texts that I sure didn't read.

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Quote from: Olivia P on May 26, 2014, 06:37:15 AM
I am interested to see peoples opinion on this part of the bible...

I shall refer thee to another part of the Old Law:

Quote from: Leviticus 11:12 (ESV)"Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you."

And, boy, do I sure love shellfish!  I refuse to accept and deny the Old Law by what pieces I like and don't like.  That is a huge, glaring problem that the modern day church is doing and, quite frankly, is turning away/damning more people than witnessing to them.  Jesus fulfilled/succeeded the Old Law and gave us two commandments, which I do my best to live by:

Quote from: Mark 12:29-31 (ESV)Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Everything else falls in to place with those two.  Bring on the crab legs and some butter, please!

Toodles from TN,
Ales

Quote from: luna nyan on July 17, 2014, 05:57:30 AM
I'm going to throw down the gauntlet at you Shan! 

When something isn't clear cut (this isn't a case of "thou shalt not kill") then it is necessary - even if a consensus is not reached.

Challenge accepted!

And though it's a meaningless waste to carry this any further for the sake of arguing about peripheral stuff
"Thou shalt not kill" is more rightly translated as thou shalt not murder as in what Cain did to his brother Able out of black hearted malicious intent. Rather than being confused and wondering why God approved of David slaying tens of thousands while protecting Israel and then assuming that God is somehow sanctioning the breaking of His own laws, this killing is justifiable in God's eyes just as it would be for a husband dispatching someone who was intent on killing his family and it could never possibly be misconstrued as murder. The commandment was translated as "Thou shalt not kill" in the King James bible initially as it may have been politically expedient for the monarchy to have it stated in such general terms rather than the more specific term "Murder," I don't know that for certain and am just speculating, but it would make sense.

Quote from: Alesium on August 12, 2014, 01:59:02 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa!  That's a lot of walls of texts that I sure didn't read.

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I shall refer thee to another part of the Old Law:

And, boy, do I sure love shellfish!  I refuse to accept and deny the Old Law by what pieces I like and don't like.  That is a huge, glaring problem that the modern day church is doing and, quite frankly, is turning away/damning more people than witnessing to them.  Jesus fulfilled/succeeded the Old Law and gave us two commandments, which I do my best to live by:

Everything else falls in to place with those two.  Bring on the crab legs and some butter, please!

Toodles from TN,
Ales

I'm with you sister! 

God didn't make me as a woman or a man, so I don't feel it applies to me. It doesn't apply to most transgendered people either, just cross dressers. Even then I don't believe we have to follow it. Read Deuteronomy 22:12, it states that you must sew tassels in to your clothes or you are violating the same set of laws that once forbade cross dressing. Until people also go around shouting at tassel-less sinners to repent, they have no right to tell people to stop cross dressing. I say once forbade, because Peter decided that we wouldn't have to follow the laws of the Jewish people as Christians. Many Jewish people I know don't even follow the laws of the Jewish people.