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Started by Superstacy00, June 07, 2014, 10:33:34 AM

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muffinpants

Quote from: Katrinka on June 11, 2014, 12:48:11 AM
Cindy

I think you have laid things out accurately. Straight cis-women SO's (three terms I NEVER KNEW existed, nor that I would use for myself) are not crazy or mean or bitchy or closeminded or whatever negative term applies for feeling betrayed, angry, sad, devestated, heartbroken, hopeless, and hopeful (even wishfully).

I agree with this, a lot of the time SO's know nothing of 'transness' so of course it is going to be a bit of a shock.

Quote from: Katrinka on June 11, 2014, 12:48:11 AM
It's like our SO's were secret agents or spies. For me, I know I love the PERSON inside my husband, but I also love my husband.

Now this I think is a bit more unfair... of course I don't know your situation so really I'm in no place to judge, however for my gf, she is the exact same person, except MUCH happier, healthier, and sane-er!! The thing is, they are not really hiding a secret.. and if they are, they are first of all hiding it from themselves. My gf said she always thought this was something she could squash out of her life, something she could control, so she would never admit it to herself, let alone me.

Quote from: Katrinka on June 11, 2014, 12:48:11 AM
I don't know his female version (I'm not going to use his moniker here because I am not going to Out him). I actually don't think I'm going to like her, purely out of anger. That is so childish, I know, but I don't want to like her. I don't want to love her. I feel like I'm in an arranged marriage where one "learns to love" the partner. I didn't have any choice in this marriage.

Again, I don't know your story or your SO's story, so I can only go by my experience and say that my gf is the exact same person, except a lot happier. I can understand if you are not attracted to females, and that could be a problem, but if you also like your SO's personality, don't rule out a close friendship. Lucky for me, I'm not attracted to males. So this has all been a major plus for both me and my gf :P
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Katrinka

I would never completely turn my back on my SO as a best friend, but I don't know that I'm going to be able to stay as a Wife. I don't want a wife. Yes, my SO lied to me; he knew of his TG before we met, before we were engaged, before we were married. I am accepting of this because it is happening right now, and I know that he did not choose this life; however, I am not supportive of the lying that he decides to do. I keep "catching" him in lies. For instance, this morning, I called him and he accidentally answered my call while on with his friend (who is also MTF and also has a confused and upset SO), just as he was saying "I don't think I'm going to tell her that I bought a dress." It is incredibly difficult not to become angry, hurt, and disappointed all over again. This is after his numerous promises to NOT lie. The lies and the lies about lying are destroying our relationship.

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Beverly

Quote from: Katrinka on June 12, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
The lies and the lies about lying are destroying our relationship.

Indeed. This is probably the key to the whole problem.

Let me paint some background for you: I am an MtF and I am going all the way with my transition and I am awaiting a surgery date. I live fulltime as female and have done for some time now. I am still married to my wife.

Before we married I told her I had gender issues. Back then I thought I was a cross-dresser and she thought it was strange but otherwise was not too bothered. Over the next few years I dressed on and off until we had children and then I threw everything out and tried very, very hard to suppress my feelings. I knew I could beat it. I knew I could manage. I knew I would keep it locked up forever.

I was wrong.

So I told her. It was stormy. We cried a lake of tears but we loved each other and we had a happy family  and a house house and good jobs and we so desparately loved each other. So we agreed that step number one was to get counselling for me. I started a medical file and put everything in it. Letters, diagnoses, whatever - and I put it in a "public" place. She could pick it up at any time and look through it if she wanted to. I do not know if she ever has.

My diagnosis was unequivocal - I had "classic" Gender Dysphoria and was referred to specialists for further diagnosis and hormone treatment. I told her and we agreed to tell the kids. We had to water it down a bit as they were young teens. Then we had to tell the extended families, then friends, then work, etc.

We agreed a method between us. At one point I started going too fast and she told me. I apologised and slowed down. She requested that I did not have surgery and I agreed to that. Over time we slowly became accustomed to our new situation. I began hormones and they gave me a drug which is rarely used in the USA but which shut down my body's hormones practically overnight. "Down below" just stopped working. After some months it became obvious that down below was "dead" and that it was now a nuisance. She then told me that it needs to go so now I am awaiting surgery.

The point of this ramble is this: There are two factors that made my transition a success in terms of keeping us together.

1) We admitted what was happening had to happen. I had tried really hard to suppress it and I failed. Yes, I was not what she signed up for. As a cross-dresser I would at least still been a bloke. I never wanted to transition and I did everything I could to be as male as possible, but marrying her was not part of that. I married her because I truly loved her and I still do. I never married her to prove anything to myself or anyone else. I married her because, to me, she is the most wonderful person I have ever met and I will love her until my dying day.

2) We were open and honest with each other. Sometimes we had to work up to things. Some topics took time to approach. There were rows, there were arguments but we realised that there was no sense in setting up "hard" or "immovable" boundaries. As my transition progressed things changed and how we viewed my transition changed too. What we think about SRS now is not what we though 2 years ago.


Transition is a slow process and there is no point in me rushing at it. Having said that, I know that a lot of MtF's go through a period of wanting to move on and "make progress" and this is usually too much too soon. She pulled me back and she was right to do it.

My transition letters file is a lot thicker these days, but it still sits out were anyone can pick it up and go through it. I can see it now as I sit here typing this. I have no secrets from her because we know where we are going. Being open with each other, taking our time and not setting absolute limits has worked for us. I hope you can find things in my story which you can use and adapt in your own setting. It can be done, but openness, honesty and patience are the keys.

I wish you all the very, very best and all my love x x
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Tessa James

Quote from: muffinpants on June 11, 2014, 08:08:54 PM
The thing is, they are not really hiding a secret.. and if they are, they are first of all hiding it from themselves. My gf said she always thought this was something she could squash out of her life, something she could control, so she would never admit it to herself, let alone me.


It has been said that the hardest person to come out to is often ourselves;Muffinpants captured this nicely.  That was also true for me.  I worked very hard to ignore and overcome these feelings and "act like a man."  Indeed, acting was what i was doing and then naively thinking I could control what eventually crippled my emotional health.  Even beginning therapy I had no intention of transitioning, I just wanted to feel better.  I don't know of any transgender people who just thought it would be a cool lark to transition for fun and games.  Transitioning can obviously threaten everything for us.  It can also save our life and bring us peace and some sanity.  There will always be consequences we didn't intend or can't control.

Having the perspective of 41 years together my wife and I know that there are many dramatic reasons for couples to be stressed out and break up.  More than half the marriages in this county will end up in divorce and that is not because of someone being TG.  The strength of the commitment and dedication can survive sickness and pathology of all kinds or simply die of boredom.  And if anyone believes that they will be 100% honest with their partner then I have a bridge for sale you might wish to buy. ;)   We can strive for honesty and work for understanding but we are imperfect beings.  Being happy in a long term relationship requires compromise and more.  I would far rather deal with being TG vs loosing my partner to hatred, another lover, cancer, alcoholism or death, to name a few common causes.  We are not responsible for causing our partner to be TG and we cannot, IMO, stop it with boundaries or limits.  It may be just such constraints that encourage the lying none of us admire.  Telling the truth when it will break your partners heart is a very tough go and it does not surprise me how often we have lived "in the closet" for years.  To me truly loving someone means I want the best for them even if that means not having me in their life.  Yaa, there is no easy way forward.

Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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