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sometimes...I really hate being a girl

Started by jussmoi4nao, June 11, 2014, 03:39:04 PM

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Nero

Well, I just worry. Because honestly whatever your relationship to the guy, going in to a situation with a bunch of guys... It could get out of control. I just would not like to put myself in that situation as a woman (or as a perceived woman). Not even if I was making a lot of money. And especially if they don't all know you're trans. I'm thinking you're pre-op? That's doubling the risk as if you were a cis woman. I mean, how much do you trust this guy? What if his 'boys' start getting out of hand?

Again, not trying to be presumptuous, but I'm concerned. I, and many others here care about you and would be devastated if you got hurt.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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jussmoi4nao

@Jessica,

I dunno I can't think about that now. I'll think about it when I get there if even make it that far Haha.

@Fa,

Aww thanks I know babe. I just don't see it as that risky. Like I said a lot of the guys are bi. The definitely straight guy has a girlfriend anyway and is very pro LGBT from what I'm told. The guy in question about like...sharing with lol knows I'm trans and thinks I'm hot so he doesn't care.

Also I'm non-op
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eli77

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 12, 2014, 07:49:52 PM
Abby!  :eusa_wall: What are you going to do when your looks fade? How will you live then? Sorry, I just care about you. I am not trying to be mean at all. I am just in Mom mode big time today and want the best for you. :(

Then she'll do something else? Like... we aren't static, we can evolve and do different things and be different people at different times in our lives.

And wow at the amount of sex negativity in the thread.


Abby, many of us have the bad days. Some days I really don't want to go outside because there are humans outside and I just don't want to deal with humans that day. Got to do your best to preserve your mental health, to try to be nice to yourself and relax when you get stressed. But not sure it will ever go away for good. Tends to be more about trying to keep yourself in good shape and finding happiness as you can--I don't think there is some kind of perfectly happy, no issues point that I can reach at least.

But if things are bad a lot, then you need to start thinking about doing things differently. Whether that means therapy or living someplace new or drugs or alternate career path or whatever.

As to being shallow... I mean it's not exactly an accident that my girlfriend is super hot. Think we are all a little shallow.
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Nero

Quote from: Sarah7 on June 12, 2014, 08:34:57 PM
And wow at the amount of sex negativity in the thread.

Well, hope you don't mean people concerned about her date setting her up for his friends to do a train on her. Because yeah, that is sex negative and scary for a woman to be in that situation, let alone non-op. The only time this would be remotely safe is if she knew all the men involved very well. And even then, ->-bleeped-<- could easily get out of hand. And that's not saying anything about the after effects - she's going to be labeled a major slut after this. All these guys are going to talk.

Abby, you are a beautiful girl, don't do this. Don't sell yourself short. I know how tempting validation through sex can be. Don't put yourself in danger. You are worth so much more than your looks and body. So much more.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Sarah7 on June 12, 2014, 08:34:57 PM
And wow at the amount of sex negativity in the thread.

This is not helpful at all. There is no negativity about sex here, just the dangerous way she is living. When you place yourself with a group of people in a remote location who you do not know it can get real bad real quick. I had to run too many calls where people were in this same exact situation and most did not end well. 
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jussmoi4nao

Wellll it's not like it'd be rape. He hinted at it and I told him I was down completely just because I'm open minded and have thought about trying stuff like that before. He's a very kinky guy and he was upfront about that from the beginning so I knew what I was getting g into.

Besides its not even a definite thing. It may not happen. As far as I know we're just going to hang at the beach which is better than sitting home drinking and cutting. Like I said, most of his friends are hipstery liberal types. There's at least 1 gay and I think a lesbian going, then  straight couple and the rest are bi guys. It's an open minded, chill bunch, the guy and I have been going out basically a month, by then it'll be 2. It's really no biggie.
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Nero

Well, please be careful. You never know. I mean, Gwen Araujo thought she was with a bunch of chill guys as well.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Jessica Merriman

John Wayne Gacy dressed as a clown. H.H. Holmes seemed like a perfect gentleman. Jane Toppan was a nurse. Ted Bundy was an all American. Any of these names sound familiar? They were all serial killers dear, every one. Just because they seem like liberal hipsters don't buy it for a second. I don't know what more I can say. I tried. If something happens to you don't say no one tried to help or warn you. Even you said he hinted at a rape scenario.

The last thing I will say is the offer I made you in private still stands if you want an alternative direction in your life. Just know someone believed in you and tried. I hope you don't remember the opportunity you had if something bad happens to you. It will be too painful to bear. :(
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jussmoi4nao

Quote from: FA on June 12, 2014, 09:42:56 PM
Well, please be careful. You never know. I mean, Gwen Araujo thought she was with a bunch of chill guys as well.

But she was having sex with guys who didn't know, using a flimsy excuse for why they couldn't touch her junk, which is just plain dumb. And they were urban straight guys.

Like legit i'd have to be a hermit to 100% avoid risk. Seriously girls get raped at parties all the time. Should i just never go to a party cuz a guy might touch my junk without my say so and figure it out and kill me?

Just feel like there has to be a line and I just personally don't see this trip as crosing it. But I nderstand your concern a d I appreciate it, I really really do it means a lot. Thank you guys for caring
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jussmoi4nao

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 12, 2014, 09:48:25 PM
John Wayne Gacy dressed as a clown. H.H. Holmes seemed like a perfect gentleman. Jane Toppan was a nurse. Ted Bundy was an all American. Any of these names sound familiar? They were all serial killers dear, every one. Just because they seem like liberal hipsters don't buy it for a second. I don't know what more I can say. I tried. If something happens to you don't say no one tried to help or warn you. Even you said he hinted at a rape scenario.

The last thing I will say is the offer I made you in private still stands if you want an alternative direction in your life. Just know someone believed in you and tried. I hope you don't remember the opportunity you had if something bad happens to you. It will be too painful to bear. :(

Again I appreciate the concern but that feels like fearmongery. By that logic I should never go out with any guy ever cuzthey could all be serial killers or rapists or whatever.

But no I never mentioned a rape scenario. I said it wasn't rape because I'm consenting. And it's not likethis guy is so mysterious. I met his parents...hell, theyre baptists! He's really a sweetheart and very affectionate and he wouldn't have even mentioned the other probably if I didn't say, myself that iwas sexually open minded
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Abbyxo on June 12, 2014, 09:35:45 PM
Wellll it's not like it'd be rape. He hinted at it
What is this then? He DID hint at a rape scenario.
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jussmoi4nao

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 12, 2014, 10:02:02 PM
What is this then? He DID hint at a rape scenario.

Hehinted at me having sexwith his friend. I didn't phrase that well. Imeant to say its not rape becasus he didn'tforce it on me, he just said maybe we could try and i immediately said I was down
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Jessica Merriman

I would like to apologize to everyone reading this. The topic of putting someone's self in danger upset's me because of my career. One of the lesson's I never could learn as a Paramedic was giving up on people and that they are all valuable. I have lost my objectivity in this topic and will leave it now. I feel I have said too much already and it will be held against me and I will be labeled intolerant. I am not intolerant, I just care.

Abby I do care for you that is why I am so worried about you and some of your choices. You are right, it is your life to live as you feel fit. Good luck and try to be safe.
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jussmoi4nao

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 12, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
I would like to apologize to everyone reading this. The topic of putting someone's self in danger upset's me because of my career. One of the lesson's I never could learn as a Paramedic was giving up on people and that they are all valuable. I have lost my objectivity in this topic and will leave it now. I feel I have said too much already and it will be held against me and I will be labeled intolerant. I am not intolerant, I just care.

Abby I do care for you that is why I am so worried about you and some of your choices. You are right, it is your life to live as you feel fit. Good luck and try to be safe.

I don't think you're intolerant. I think you're a sweet person with a kind heart and I really appreciate your concern. But I am fine and I promise you I'll be careful
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Nero

Well, the proposed scenario doesn't sound as scary as I initially thought. Just please be careful. Seemingly innocuous situations sometimes turn really bad for the woman, like date rape. Most women know their attackers. Be careful of your surroundings and try not to get into situations where you're vulnerable. Be careful how much you drink, watch your drink so nothing's put in it, etc. Go with your gut. If something doesn't feel right, better safe than sorry.

Okay, I'm sounding like a parent right now. lol You're such a sweet, beautiful girl and we just want you to be safe and happy. And not to sell yourself short.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Jess42

Abby, there is no way that I will or ever will tell someone what they should or shouldn't do. Too many times, well actually most times, I have been on the shouldn't do end of the spectrum. But some things to consider. Do we ever really know anyone? I have thought I knew people on close personal levels for years and then one day the closet door opens and all the skeletons come falling out. Don't let your guy's family and them being Baptists paint a clear picture of him or his friends. The absolute wildest girl that I ever dated, her dad was a pentecostal preacher. I was extremely wild and willing to do just about anything for a good time or cheap thrill and this girl wanted to do things that even I was apprehensive about. Her brother was a dealer and her sister was a lesbian prostitute. All of this from a wholesome Christian background. So don't think just because his parents have some sort morals that he has those same principles. I am sexually open and a little kinky too but I don't hide it, never did but those that do feel they have to hide it just for whatever reasons seem to let it out in uncontrollable waves or urges. Sometimes they will tend to take it too far. Like I say I am not gonna judge or I won't try to persuade you on what to do, just giving you a head's up. Just trust your intuition and if something doesn't seem right or seems like you are headed into danger, get away or don't go through with whatever. This is for any situation.

Now about reputations. Word gets around and there is absolutely no way of stopping it. I had a really bad reputation and was really proud of it. To prove how manly I was, it was all about how many women with the occasional guy thrown in the mix (just to satisfy the girl in me) that I had or how crazy I could get. Most people thought that I would never make it out of my twenties alive, maybe I wasn't even trying to. Now I am past 40 and when I go home people still talk about the stuff I did that frankly I don't even remember or remember them. I always get "Hey, you are So and So aintcha?" I say yeah and then they start telling me things that I did in the "good ol' days" at this party or that party or this gig or that gig. In other words reputations follow you throughout life. I have absolutely no regrets but if I could do things different you bet I would. Just because I missed out on some possible meaningful relationships for the next wild child like me running hard and fast for a cheap thrill or to add a little bit more to an already bad reputation. Yes I was the one everybody's mama warned them about.

I never tell anyone how to or how they should live thier lives. That is completely up to you as to how you live yours. But take it from someone that has been there, think about what is gonna come down the line in twenty someodd years and be prepared to either own it or double think it now. I own mine and even I am surprized I am not in jail or the cemetary or ever caught anything from anyone else. I'm not proud and not really ashamed either but that reputation costs me a couple of possible really meaningful relationships when I was ready to have them.

Like I said Abby, I am not trying to tell you what or what not to do but rather just be prepared for certain reputations, make sure that you can handle the reputations emotionally and psychologically because reputations follow you throughout your life. With a bad reputation you really need to have a hellacious amount of self esteem and self confidence. Just be careful and use your best judgement.

No matter what you do, I won't think any less of you for doing anything. What worries me is that I don't want you to think less of yourself. So just be careful.
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jussmoi4nao

I'm not worried about my reputation. I do freaky ->-bleeped-<- with guys I meet off craigslist and if you do some simple googling you could easily find me being very open about being a ->-bleeped-<-, naked pics, details about my sex life. I'm very open and reputation couldn't mean less to me
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peky

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on June 12, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
I would like to apologize to everyone reading this. The topic of putting someone's self in danger upset's me because of my career. One of the lesson's I never could learn as a Paramedic was giving up on people and that they are all valuable. I have lost my objectivity in this topic and will leave it now. I feel I have said too much already and it will be held against me and I will be labeled intolerant. I am not intolerant, I just care.

Abby I do care for you that is why I am so worried about you and some of your choices. You are right, it is your life to live as you feel fit. Good luck and try to be safe.

On the other hand, and like with all self-destructive behaviour, you canot help thosde who do not want to be helped.....

Perhaps is just a way of getting some attention  ;)
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jussmoi4nao

Quote from: peky on June 13, 2014, 03:33:52 PM
On the other hand, and like with all self-destructive behaviour, you canot help thosde who do not want to be helped.....

Perhaps is just a way of getting some attention  ;)

->-bleeped-<- you, you don't know ->-bleeped-<- about me. I don't have to do any of that ->-bleeped-<- to get a guys attention I get plenty of attention. I just WANT to.

Perhaps I just enjoy it? I know you people have backward ideas of how women should behave sexually because you lived most of your lives as men...buut..a woman CAN enjoy her sexuality without being an attention whore.

Just FYI
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jussmoi4nao

Jesus, if you're gonna talk ->-bleeped-<- about me ag least go behind mY back.

And the funny thing is, that wasn't even the ->-bleeped-<-ing point of this thread. I was talking about why being a girl sucks sometimes...and actually slut shamers and being trivialized like you just did are another reason why.

That's what 50 years of male socialization gets..people like peky
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